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first of all I am a SVG fan, I think he has cleared the mess. but,
two game in a row, opponent teams have scored 20+ points againts us in a half (I mean point differantials were 20+). He could not respond this. our defense is falling and offense is very predictable. It seems he doesn't try much.

He is very harsh againts drummond for very good reasons but that doesn't help drummond. He doesn't play with drummond in last two minutes. this year drummond's last year.

so how much do you worry about him?

Zero. None. Nada.

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YES.

Great gm, average coach right now. I thought he was an awesome coach and I feared he wasn't a good gm. I was wrong.

He's not a problem, obviously

El Chivo wrote:Great gm, average coach right now. I thought he was an awesome coach and I feared he wasn't a good gm. I was wrong.

He's not a problem, obviously

I'm not a big SVG fan... but I think he's a better Coach than Pres. of Basketball Operations. The day he gives Drummond a max contract, I'm going to lose my $#!+.

I understand the rationale but I disagree...

SVG is a far better coach then anyone else we could have, or can for that matter, get to steer the ship. He has proven he is a winner and can get the most out of his players.

The only thing I worry about is that SVG is completely blunt with everybody which some players certainly don't like and as shaq said, he is the "master of panic". I think anyone that's played Bball at a higher level would understand how this can also hurt your play and upset players. Hopefully he's learned from those times and is less reactive but I doubt.

All in all, SVG Is still a top ten coach and he's proven to be a better VP then I think any of us could've predicted.


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I mean sure svg chokes in end of the game situations sometimes, but when you got a bigman bricking fts like dre, you gotta bench him. Dude is literally the worst ft shooter in history.

How about those games where the Pistons came back from 20 points down and won. That has happened a few times this season. Does that mean the other teams coach is the problem? Or, could it be the Pistons players just wanted it more?

The problem is the Pistons just get too relaxed with that lead and don't play with a sense of urgency the entire game.

We have a VERY young team and are very early in the building process. Where you may see "he doesn't do anything" others may see him trying to get the young guys to understand what's happening and adjust themselves on the fly. Kerr did the exact same thing the other in the Wizards - Warriors game, the Wiz went on a big run and instead of calling timeouts to try and make adjustments he allowed his guys to play through.

Right now our big problems come down to lack of depth and inconsistent energy/effort. Those are problems young teams early in the building process typically encounter. We need to upgrade at the starting 4 spot and need another consistent backup wing, if he can add those pieces we'll have a lot more flexibility to play different lineups and adjust on the fly to different looks.

We have a top 5 coach. People are overlooking a new core under the age of 25 with a PG and SF who have never started before. Add a depleted bench with our main peace recovering from an injury and a (great) rookie...there you have it.

JJ Redick and Marcin Gortat have publicly said they owe their careers to Stan. Countless players have played their best ball for Stan (BJ, Augustine now Reggie) and although Shaq said "master of panic" he still respects him as a good coach.

Everyone now knows Dwight is a little B but people say he's changed his tune on SVG as well.

Is Stan - Popovich, no, should people be complaining or worried...Hell no.

Everyone has strengths and weaknesses.

As long as SVG doesn't frustrate the players to the levels that they start tuning him out, we are fine.

Yeah, bring back Michael Curry.

Seriously, SVG is a top-5 coach right now.

haulerch wrote:Yeah, bring back Michael Curry.

Seriously, SVG is a top-5 coach right now.

he's not, IMHO. Carlisle, Pop, Stevens, Kerr, Budenholzer, Stotts, Vogel are better than him.

Michael Curry, John Kuester, Lawrence Frank, Mo Cheeks!

No I think I'm just fine leading this team.

NOOOO.

Lock this thread.

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i have zero concern about SVG. people worried about him benching dre don't seem to understand that he has a perfectly good reason for doing it.

throughout the entire process SVG has been pretty clear and upfront about his philosophies and he has stuck by them. a lot of the players have responded well to it and shown no issues, really there have only been some times where reggie or dre have seemed down but it isn't always on the coach to mollycoddle the players.


the thing that irks me when coaches get blamed is that there has to be some point when the players should be held accountable. SVG already has to carefully and strategically sub drummond in and out because of his free throw shooting, if dre pouts because he's on the bench it's not on SVG to put him in, it's on dre to hit his free throws. if jackson is pouting because he's benched for overdribbling it's not on SVG to put jackson back in to make him happy, it's on jackson to pass the ball quicker.

same thing goes for effort. SVG can tell the team to play with effort all he wants but if the players don't then there's nothing SVG can do but sub someone else in and hope that they hustle.


and i wouldn't take that "master of panic" quote seriously from shaq. shaq has criticized phil jackson and pat riley as well and has generally been a clown his while career. he's a joker and loves to make headlines with his jokes. Shaq has referred to Riley as hannibal lecter and said he had "gestapo conditioning". he's called lawrence frank "laura frank" and said that george karl looks like a woman coach. plus there's the popular feud with kobe and all the stuff he said about him. so yeah, shaq's an idiot.

whitehops wrote:i have zero concern about SVG. people worried about him benching dre don't seem to understand that he has a perfectly good reason for doing it.

throughout the entire process SVG has been pretty clear and upfront about his philosophies and he has stuck by them. a lot of the players have responded well to it and shown no issues, really there have only been some times where reggie or dre have seemed down but it isn't always on the coach to mollycoddle the players.


the thing that irks me when coaches get blamed is that there has to be some point when the players should be held accountable. SVG already has to carefully and strategically sub drummond in and out because of his free throw shooting, if dre pouts because he's on the bench it's not on SVG to put him in, it's on dre to hit his free throws. if jackson is pouting because he's benched for overdribbling it's not on SVG to put jackson back in to make him happy, it's on jackson to pass the ball quicker.

same thing goes for effort. SVG can tell the team to play with effort all he wants but if the players don't then there's nothing SVG can do but sub someone else in and hope that they hustle.


and i wouldn't take that "master of panic" quote seriously from shaq. shaq has criticized phil jackson and pat riley as well and has generally been a clown his while career. he's a joker and loves to make headlines with his jokes. Shaq has referred to Riley as hannibal lecter and said he had "gestapo conditioning". he's called lawrence frank "laura frank" and said that george karl looks like a woman coach. plus there's the popular feud with kobe and all the stuff he said about him. so yeah, shaq's an idiot.

I do agree the way he manages the team. What makes me doubting is basketball. Our offense is predictable e so basic. Our defense is meh. Then u watch Celtics, Blazers and other mediocre teams playing and they share the ball, they defend with principles and choices. We play as the game comes. High p'n'r', Mook iso, Reggie hero ball, some post for Dre, but very few plays called.

The only problem I have with SVG is that those sarcastic comments, eye rolls, crazy faces etc that he's so famous for in interviews and with refs also carry over to in game interactions with players. It can motivate some of our tougher nose players who have that natural "Us against the world" mentality, but I don't think it works with everyone. Dre in particular seems to get nothing out of that while RJ will come back and take it out on the opposition. Different things fire up different players and the top coaches usually figure out a way to motivate everyone

On the plus side, since Stan has total control, he's going to bring in guys that fit his mold and respond to that type of coaching.

El Chivo wrote:I do agree the way he manages the team. What makes me doubting is basketball. Our offense is predictable e so basic. Our defense is meh. Then u watch Celtics, Blazers and other mediocre teams playing and they share the ball, they defend with principles and choices. We play as the game comes. High p'n'r', Mook iso, Reggie hero ball, some post for Dre, but very few plays called.

again, SVG has said over and over again when our ball movement has not been good enough so he's clearly preaching it to the players. we have players who haven't been the best at moving the ball quickly in their careers (reggie, morris, KCP, etc.) so it's likely a habit that he has to drill in to the players.


the high PnR is just an action to create opportunities, it's not like he's drawing up iso after iso.

He's a great coach, especially after all the crap coaches we've had to deal with! I'm not willing to go through that again.
Coaches get too much of the blame when things aren't going well, Stan can't make Drummond hit FTs, he can't make players hit shot.