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About that crazy hate around Stanley Johnson

Posted: Thu Apr 7, 2016 11:45 am
by In SVG We Trust
First year for a 19 years old player, who's a personal bet of SVG (who has demonstrate got great eye for the underrated skills players), he's coming from an injury, and playing bad.

I can't count how many buckets has given us when the game is on the line. He's a beast in transition and he's still a child, and is development his playmaker aspect, and contributing to a Playoffs team.

Most important thing is about confidence. He's never scared of assume a tough shot at the end of a bad possession. He's making a lot of mistakes as a rookie and trying to make plays not only for him but giving dimes to his teammates.

Obviously, when you're a rook and got that type of responsability, it's going to be hard for you, especially if you're coming from an injury and you was playing well before that. But he never hides, even making dumb plays (rookie plays), he's always trying to contribute the team and showing high character.

So some of you guys want to sacrifice his development and maybe hurt his confidence who is really high for a rookie instead of win 3-4 games more?
And of course, all you are calling SVG stupid, who has changed a team with a Jennings-KCP-Smith-Monroe-Dre line-up which played one of the ugliest basketball I've ever seen into a Playoffs team with some efforts and inexperience problems.

A team with a lot of new faces, a player who has come in the trade deadline, with only two players still in the team since SVG came here, and we're still two steps ahead of got a decent bench and set an efficient offense.

Stanley is going to be a great player, even if he's not a star, he's one of the most complete players I've seen at his age (he's mediocre at almost every aspect of the game, but he isn't bad at nothing). He needs to adapt to the NBA range, but his shot isn't broke as many guys said.

Again, there are no rookies with the pressure and responsabilities Stanley has. He's the leader of one of the worst second units of the NBA, and to be fair, if it wasn't for Stanley, there are a lot of games we could lose this year, but there are not a single game we lose because of him exclusively.

So please, stop to talk about trades, win Cavs or Raps, or Stanley is who's hurting us. You need to forget about that man child behavior.

Stanley got an impresive attitude for a rookie, high character guy who's always looking for a win. You can't teach that, you can improve your handles, your shot, but in the mental aspect, Stanley is one if not the most valuable rookie of this class.

Re: About that crazy hate around Stanley Johnson

Posted: Thu Apr 7, 2016 12:08 pm
by Arp590
I don't think that many peole hate Stanley, they just hate that SVG gives him such a long leash when he's not ready.

Re: About that crazy hate around Stanley Johnson

Posted: Thu Apr 7, 2016 12:31 pm
by El Chivo
He's a versatile player and except for last 5/6 games he didn't play for favouritism, he played cause he deserved to.

Now he's hitting the rookie wall and isn't in good shape so is the right choice being benched.

Re: About that crazy hate around Stanley Johnson

Posted: Thu Apr 7, 2016 12:41 pm
by Liqourish
He's 19, very freaking talented, but playing injured. Some people can't be patient. It's the social media, instant gratification age. Or they just like things to bitch about.

Re: About that crazy hate around Stanley Johnson

Posted: Thu Apr 7, 2016 1:07 pm
by Bakuto
Johnson will be fine. He's a hell of a kid and his effort is always there. Sure a lot of his plays he has tried recently are dumb, but the kid is 19 years old. He still has to learn what works and what doesn't, and he's got a lot of time to do so.

Re: About that crazy hate around Stanley Johnson

Posted: Thu Apr 7, 2016 1:19 pm
by vic
SJ is awesome... He's had a few bad games but he's better than Tolliver even when he's not scoring.
That rebounding disadvantage they had against the Magic that kept the Magic in the game?

You don't have that rebounding disadvantage with Stanley Johnson on the floor.

I'm all about putting Bullock in the game beacause he's earned it but not at Stanley's expense. Take Tolliver out. If he's not lights out from 3 he's useless. However Stanley does so much more, and he's strong enough to guard PFs.

Re: About that crazy hate around Stanley Johnson

Posted: Thu Apr 7, 2016 1:23 pm
by The Moose
I'm a fan of Stanley, and think he will be a good player in the future. With that being said, I'm sure he can mentally handle being demoted for a few games, he hasnt been playing well, and is clearly playing hurt; if his ego is too big to handle playing less minutes then thats a problem.

The good thing is, I dont think its an issue for him, if anything, I think it will make him work harder and improve his game even more.

Re: About that crazy hate around Stanley Johnson

Posted: Thu Apr 7, 2016 1:32 pm
by rmfc
Calm down, SJ haters!

Re: About that crazy hate around Stanley Johnson

Posted: Thu Apr 7, 2016 1:48 pm
by Joe Berry
The decision was between Booker and Johnson at the draft, SVG mentioned it when someone was asking about Winslow and it was a close one. That shows you how well prepared SVG & his staff was. Even if Booker turns out to be the better player in the long run, SJ was absolutely the right pick and he showed more than enough in his rookie season to justify to draft him at 9. He got hurt and never recored his previous form, no big deal.

He will improve in the summer, he s got all the tools, talent and especially work ethic and demeanor to succeed in the NBA.

Re: About that crazy hate around Stanley Johnson

Posted: Thu Apr 7, 2016 2:02 pm
by In SVG We Trust
Arp590 wrote:I don't think that many peole hate Stanley, they just hate that SVG gives him such a long leash when he's not ready.

He's ready because he has been a Playoffs team's 6th man successfully. You don't destroy your rookie morale for a few games.

Re: About that crazy hate around Stanley Johnson

Posted: Thu Apr 7, 2016 2:08 pm
by Arp590
In SVG We Trust wrote:
Arp590 wrote:I don't think that many peole hate Stanley, they just hate that SVG gives him such a long leash when he's not ready.

He's ready because he has been a Playoffs team's 6th man successfully. You don't destroy your rookie morale for a few games.

Successfully? Let's keep things in perspective here.. We have by far the worst bench in the league, he's shooting 37% on the season, 28% since returning from injury.
He is not ready.

His morale will be fine, Stanley is a tough kid with a lot of confidence.
If anything take Tolliver out of the rotation and let Stanley get some minutes with Bullock. Marcus/Tobias can rotate backup PF.

Re: About that crazy hate around Stanley Johnson

Posted: Thu Apr 7, 2016 2:12 pm
by DarkSyde
No one hates SJ. He's not ready yet. He's 19 years old and was drafted in the first round. This is valuable experience for him which will make him better. You have to be mentally and physically though to play this many games in your first year in the NBA. He will be much prepared next season I'm sure of it. :wink:

Re: About that crazy hate around Stanley Johnson

Posted: Thu Apr 7, 2016 2:18 pm
by SVG
I don't think anybody here necessarily hates Stanley Johnson. He's been very bad since coming back from injury and we're at the point in the season where we're fighting for our playoff rights and can't really afford to let him keep having bad nights. When Stanley is coming off the bench, we're expecting him to be the first-second option because of his skill-set and unfortunately that hasn't been the case.

There's a lot of optimism and trust that the fans have in Stanley, and everybody has a bad stretch sometimes (Reggie Bullock started the season 1-19 and was benched because of it.)

I understand that SVG wants to use Stanley because he was a high draft pick and wants to justify the selection, but Bullock is clearly the better option at this point of the season. Bullock lets the game come to him, keeps the defense guessing because of his shooting and driving ability, and can make the right reads and passes.

Re: About that crazy hate around Stanley Johnson

Posted: Thu Apr 7, 2016 2:18 pm
by SVG
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Re: About that crazy hate around Stanley Johnson

Posted: Thu Apr 7, 2016 2:21 pm
by Manocad
There is no "crazy hate" for Stanley Johnson.

Re: About that crazy hate around Stanley Johnson

Posted: Thu Apr 7, 2016 2:45 pm
by In SVG We Trust
Manocad wrote:There is no "crazy hate" for Stanley Johnson.

It is when you're watching a game and there are a lot of posters blaming the rook for the team failure, instead of think maybe we're a "work in progress" team.

Re: About that crazy hate around Stanley Johnson

Posted: Thu Apr 7, 2016 2:55 pm
by russkopp
I don't think there's hate for Stanley. He was playing well and was an important piece for us that helped win some games.
He got hurt and hasn't been able to get back to that form. Fighting for the playoffs after an 8 year drought means you play your best players, right now that's Reggie Bullock.
Stanley knows he's a core piece.

Re: About that crazy hate around Stanley Johnson

Posted: Thu Apr 7, 2016 3:08 pm
by In SVG We Trust
I like Bullock and I want him in the rotation, but you can't cut the Stanley progress. Being part of the core of a Playoffs team in your first year, with a lot of responsabilities... That's what Stanley's doing and he's doing well even if he struggles now, and you don't take out the rotation a player who has contributely all season to achieve the post-season success, that's unfair but again the very impatient man child wants results NOW. Just like Dumars signing Josh Hitler Smith.

Re: About that crazy hate around Stanley Johnson

Posted: Thu Apr 7, 2016 3:15 pm
by Todd3
No one hates Stanley. We hate that we're trying to make the playoffs and have to unnecessarily overcome a rookie's mistakes to do it when it's hard enough as is, and we have a player who is better right now able to help that wasn't being used. That isn't fair to anyone. Not fair to Bullock who deserves minutes, not fair to Stanley who won't get better if there is no consequence for bad play, not fair to the other players who have to play extra good to make up for him, and it's not fair to the fans who have been waiting 7 yrs to make the playoffs.

Stanley's time to shine will come. That time isn't now though. You can give rookies a chance when there's 50 games left in the season and there's a greater margin for error, but not when there's 3-4 games left and you have to win or your seasons over. The Pistons can't run a meritocracy and gift minutes to rookies if they aren't played good just because they're lotto picks either. This really shouldn't even need to be explained.

Re: About that crazy hate around Stanley Johnson

Posted: Thu Apr 7, 2016 3:26 pm
by In SVG We Trust
Todd3 wrote:The Pistons can't run a meritocracy and gift minutes to rookies if they aren't played good just because they're lotto picks either. This really shouldn't even need to be explained.

Meritocracy means just the opposite you said.

Again, it's not LET'S MAKE THE PLAYOFFS. That was the mentality which puts us as one of the most awful teams to watch playing bb ever, trading a first round just for get rid of Ben Gordon, trading the future (Knight) for Brandon Jennings and signing Josh SmISISth.

And again, I saw some of you saying got no problem trade our first for Beverley or players like that... It's crazy man, it's like Big Daddy Kane said "Ni**az never learn"!