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When Cleveland goes small they have no defense when Dre chooses to establish low post position. It happened twice last nite. That's something that needs to be exploited. Even better to initiate it with Tobias so the defender is Lebron or love

who guards love when they go small? he killed us during small ball yesterday

DCintheD wrote:who guards love when they go small? he killed us during small ball yesterday

I don't understand this, Dre just has to walk out to the 3 point line? Is he not capable of doing that?
They killed us with wide open 3s at the end because we refused to contest Kevin Love 3s.

If Dre starts playing like a superstar on Offense or Defense, then the team will start to foul him aka Hack a Dre until Baynes is put in.

davidvolumes wrote:When Cleveland goes small they have no defense when Dre chooses to establish low post position. It happened twice last nite. That's something that needs to be exploited. Even better to initiate it with Tobias so the defender is Lebron or love

It happened twice, or he made the shot twice? Dre in the post is definitely not the key to beating Cle in this series.

BadMofoPimp wrote:If Dre starts playing like a superstar on Offense or Defense, then the team will start to foul him aka Hack a Dre until Baynes is put in.

I think Dre knows this too and keeps him from dominating. Drummond was a monster up until that Houston game where they went crazy hacking him. He's been much more timid since then. His FTs are what now is holding him back. Hopefully they change the hack a Dre crap next year so he can get his confidence back.

flow wrote:

davidvolumes wrote:When Cleveland goes small they have no defense when Dre chooses to establish low post position. It happened twice last nite. That's something that needs to be exploited. Even better to initiate it with Tobias so the defender is Lebron or love

It happened twice, or he made the shot twice? Dre in the post is definitely not the key to beating Cle in this series.

Both. Both times he got deep post position, he converted.

Given that our shooters aren't going to maintain 50% 3s, and because of it they are going to continue to pack the paint against our pick & roll, it will be necessary to get points in the paint other ways. If we can get Drummond the ball in deep post position consistently, that can make a big difference in this series. At the very least it will force them to foul and get us in the bonus early, and then when we go to our pick & roll it becomes much harder to defend Reggie, as every foul gives him FTs instead.

You know the best part about all of this is our coach is one of the best and he knows exactly how to expose the Cavs. It's just they have Lebron and it's so hard. Toronto would've been a ton easier. Didn't realize they sucked this bad in the postseason.

I know we were able to hang in there, but we also shot very well from 3-point land, which is rare is for us especially on the road. Cleveland's big 3 all played well and if we want to win we need to try and at least shut down one of them. Lebron is one of the best players on the planet and Kyrie is an elite pg, something we have struggled against all season so we have to concentrate on somehow stopping Love.

Todd3 wrote:

flow wrote:

davidvolumes wrote:When Cleveland goes small they have no defense when Dre chooses to establish low post position. It happened twice last nite. That's something that needs to be exploited. Even better to initiate it with Tobias so the defender is Lebron or love

It happened twice, or he made the shot twice? Dre in the post is definitely not the key to beating Cle in this series.

Both. Both times he got deep post position, he converted.

Given that our shooters aren't going to maintain 50% 3s, and because of it they are going to continue to pack the paint against our pick & roll, it will be necessary to get points in the paint other ways. If we can get Drummond the ball in deep post position consistently, that can make a big difference in this series. At the very least it will force them to foul and get us in the bonus early, and then when we go to our pick & roll it becomes much harder to defend Reggie, as every foul gives him FTs instead.

I don't think it would force them to foul. If he started converting consistently (which would shock me), just flash a double at him. He doesn't know how to pass out of the post.

flow wrote:

Todd3 wrote:

flow wrote:
It happened twice, or he made the shot twice? Dre in the post is definitely not the key to beating Cle in this series.

Both. Both times he got deep post position, he converted.

Given that our shooters aren't going to maintain 50% 3s, and because of it they are going to continue to pack the paint against our pick & roll, it will be necessary to get points in the paint other ways. If we can get Drummond the ball in deep post position consistently, that can make a big difference in this series. At the very least it will force them to foul and get us in the bonus early, and then when we go to our pick & roll it becomes much harder to defend Reggie, as every foul gives him FTs instead.

I don't think it would force them to foul. If he started converting consistently (which would shock me), just flash a double at him. He doesn't know how to pass out of the post.

It's harder to double a deep post-up though, because when you get it that close to start, you go right into your shot after receiving it. There is less time spent trying to maneuver your way to the rim with the ball, as you're doing that work pre-post, thus less time for them to flash a double and recover when you do get it.

Also, if he draws 2 defenders that close to the rim, that will create easy dump off passes for layups to whoever they're doubling off of, and yes he is capable of making those plays.

DCintheD wrote:who guards love when they go small? he killed us during small ball yesterday

Drummond on Shumpert, Tobias/Morris on Love and Morris/Stanley on Lebron. Drummond and Tobias are going to have to step it up defensively.

He Filled it Up wrote:

DCintheD wrote:who guards love when they go small? he killed us during small ball yesterday

Drummond on Shumpert, Tobias/Morris on Love and Morris/Stanley on Lebron. Drummond and Tobias are going to have to step it up defensively.

Shumpert will just take Dre off the dribble. Like this.

https://youtu.be/Rxlj25oHlyU

flow wrote:

He Filled it Up wrote:

DCintheD wrote:who guards love when they go small? he killed us during small ball yesterday

Drummond on Shumpert, Tobias/Morris on Love and Morris/Stanley on Lebron. Drummond and Tobias are going to have to step it up defensively.

Shumpert will just take Dre off the dribble. Like this.

https://youtu.be/Rxlj25oHlyU

I'll take Shumpert making decisions off the dribble over giving Love open 3PAs.

flow wrote:

He Filled it Up wrote:

DCintheD wrote:who guards love when they go small? he killed us during small ball yesterday

Drummond on Shumpert, Tobias/Morris on Love and Morris/Stanley on Lebron. Drummond and Tobias are going to have to step it up defensively.

Shumpert will just take Dre off the dribble. Like this.

https://youtu.be/Rxlj25oHlyU

If Drummond is going to guard him from 3 anyways, then that doesn't accomplish anything. Might as well just have him guarding Love. The goal is to put him on their worst shooter so he can stay in the paint.

He Filled it Up wrote:

flow wrote:

He Filled it Up wrote:Drummond on Shumpert, Tobias/Morris on Love and Morris/Stanley on Lebron. Drummond and Tobias are going to have to step it up defensively.

Shumpert will just take Dre off the dribble. Like this.

https://youtu.be/Rxlj25oHlyU

I'll take Shumpert making decisions off the dribble over giving Love open 3PAs.

If Andre is on Love, he needs to step out and bother him on the perimeter (without overly committing). Force Love to either put it on the floor or pass off.

flow wrote:

He Filled it Up wrote:

flow wrote:
Shumpert will just take Dre off the dribble. Like this.

https://youtu.be/Rxlj25oHlyU

I'll take Shumpert making decisions off the dribble over giving Love open 3PAs.

If Andre is on Love, he needs to step out and bother him on the perimeter (without overly committing). Force Love to either put it on the floor or pass off.

I mean the same would be true for Shumpert, but Love is a 36% 3PT shooter compared to Iman's 29% on a fourth of Love's attempts.

flow wrote:

He Filled it Up wrote:

flow wrote:
Shumpert will just take Dre off the dribble. Like this.

https://youtu.be/Rxlj25oHlyU

I'll take Shumpert making decisions off the dribble over giving Love open 3PAs.

If Andre is on Love, he needs to step out and bother him on the perimeter (without overly committing). Force Love to either put it on the floor or pass off.

In other words don't protect the paint or 3, just force Love to dribble past him?

We need him fully committed to one or the other. At his size he is too big to try to do both simultaneously.

When the Cavs go small we should probably just bite the bullet and put Tolly or Baynes at C.

You can't put Dre at the 3 point line guarding Love - that plays into Cleveland's hands.

You cant put Dre on Shump either - again you're putting Dre on the perimeter.

Tolly would stand a better chance out there on Love in that situation...

AND allows us to draw Love outta the paint in the offensive end of the floor

The key is defense which was just awful yesterday not Drummonds scoring