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There will come the time SJ takes over sf spot; KCP is a locker at two. We are gonna be draft or pay a true pf. Hilliard and Bullock look like legit bench players.

Basically one between Harris and Morris will be our best trade asset.

Who do you think will be the goner and when?

El Chivo wrote:There will come the time SJ takes over sf spot; KCP is a locker at two. We are gonna be draft or pay a true pf. Hilliard and Bullock look like legit bench players.

Basically one between Harris and Morris will be our best trade asset.

Who do you think will be the goner and when?

why is kcp a locker though? he can't shoot 3 and creat for others. I didn't watch last 2 games, dd he defend well irving?

he did. great offense beats great defense, anyway.

pistontr wrote:

El Chivo wrote:There will come the time SJ takes over sf spot; KCP is a locker at two. We are gonna be draft or pay a true pf. Hilliard and Bullock look like legit bench players.

Basically one between Harris and Morris will be our best trade asset.

Who do you think will be the goner and when?

why is kcp a locker though? he can't shoot 3 and creat for others. I didn't watch last 2 games, dd he defend well irving?

Because he's our best two-way player, which is becoming more and more evident throughout the playoffs when guys are playing as hard ad possible. He isn't a finished product by any means but "he cant shoot three's and create for others" really sells him short on the offensive end of the floor.

he can shoot and well, too.

the problem is his shot selection.

I don't wanna trade Harris or Mook unless we get a significant upgrade.

I think we can make it work with KCP, SJ, Harris & Mook:

PG - RJ 32 & FA/Rookie 16

SG - KCP 32 & SJ 16

SF - Mook 18, Harris 14, SJ 14

PF - Harris 20, Mook 12, FA/Rookie 16

C - Dre 32 & Baynes 16

Our FA/Rookie PF should be able to play some C in the event the match up doesn't favour Baynes

We'd still have Meeks, Bull & Hilly here to plug in at SG (or SF for Bull)

I honestly wanna see how we play the first 30 games next season after a full training camp with Harris

Marcus is the more willing and more talented defender, so he should keep his spot as a starter.

That being said, they could trade pretty much anyone at this point. I'm sure Stan is always looking around the league for talent upgrades on the trade market. The Pistons young players look pretty good, and are still improving, so the only trades that make sense will likely involve acquiring all-stars.

We need MORE capable wing rotation players not less. The Cavs are beating us with smallball, the Warriors most dangerous lineup is with Draymond at C.

We need an upgrade in shooting at all 3 spots and at least 1 more star who is a legit scorer that can take over a game when they double Reggie.

If we have to trade all 3 to get that guy and then go with cheap shooter role players at the other spots, do it.

Reggie/Dre/Butler + 2 sharpshooters would be perfect.

Harris with the exception of the post season, has been great since coming here. Morris has finished strong and plays his best with Harris. Not so sure why fans are so quick to give up on the Harris/Morris forward lineup, but I'm not. They've both been huge to our success, definitely more impactful than Drummond the last two months of the season.

I hope and expect to see the Harris/Morris duo back in the starting lineup next season with Johnson coming off the bench. There has been nothing Johnson has done consistently to prove he's ready to knock either one of those guys out of the lineup. Our starting lineup has accomplished a lot when you consider how weak our bench has been all season long...I'm not ready to ditch them, I'm ready to build a stronger bench and see what they can do.

DTP wrote:Harris with the exception of the post season, has been great since coming here. Morris has finished strong and plays his best with Harris. Not so sure why fans are so quick to give up on the Harris/Morris forward lineup, but I'm not. They've both been huge to our success, definitely more impactful than Drummond the last two months of the season.

I hope and expect to see the Harris/Morris duo back in the starting lineup next season with Johnson coming off the bench. There has been nothing Johnson has done consistently to prove he's ready to knock either one of those guys out of the lineup. Our starting lineup has accomplished a lot when you consider how weak our bench has been all season long...I'm not ready to ditch them, I'm ready to build a stronger bench and see what they can do.

Gotta keep upgrading if possible. Difference in this series is lack of stars that can close a game. We have 1 in Reggie but when they double him we have none. Either we need another star or we need better shooters around him to draw attention so he can star. Harris/Morris/KCP don't really provide either. They are like Luol Deng/Tayshaun type guys. Good role players, but if you have to rely on them winning you a playoff series its probably not happening.

I think we have our Ben and Chauncey again in Dre/Reggie. Now we need our Rip and Rasheed to go with them. Guys who won't give you 25-30 every night, but can do it any given night and close a playoff game. Right now we have too many Tito's and not enough Michael's.

If we can deal some of them for a star, we need to do it, and any we don't deal can bolster our bench.

Todd3 wrote:

DTP wrote:Harris with the exception of the post season, has been great since coming here. Morris has finished strong and plays his best with Harris. Not so sure why fans are so quick to give up on the Harris/Morris forward lineup, but I'm not. They've both been huge to our success, definitely more impactful than Drummond the last two months of the season.

I hope and expect to see the Harris/Morris duo back in the starting lineup next season with Johnson coming off the bench. There has been nothing Johnson has done consistently to prove he's ready to knock either one of those guys out of the lineup. Our starting lineup has accomplished a lot when you consider how weak our bench has been all season long...I'm not ready to ditch them, I'm ready to build a stronger bench and see what they can do.

Gotta keep upgrading if possible. Difference in this series is lack of stars that can close a game. We have 1 in Reggie but when they double him we have none. Either we need another star or we need better shooters around him to draw attention so he can star. Harris/Morris/KCP don't really provide either. They are like Luol Deng/Tayshaun type guys. Good role players, but if you have to rely on them winning you a playoff series its probably not happening.

I think we have our Ben and Chauncey again in Dre/Reggie. Now we need our Rip and Rasheed to go with them. Guys who won't give you 25-30 every night, but can do it any given night and close a playoff game. Right now we have too many Tito's and not enough Michael's.

If we can deal some of them for a star, we need to do it, and any we don't deal can bolster our bench.

Any transaction to acquire that type of talent would be through a trade because no one is coming here as a free agent. What options are on the table right now? Teams aren't just handing out talent these days you know and our assets are still pretty limited. Chandler Parsons would be perfect for this team but I see no realistic way of him getting here. Absolutely none.

Harris has the tools offensively...he has the size, the great shooting touch. Now that he can focus in this off season on improving his outside shot and he knows the majority of attention from defenses will go to Dre and Reggie, he could really develop into something really nice. He's already crazy efficient.

Todd3 wrote:

DTP wrote:Harris with the exception of the post season, has been great since coming here. Morris has finished strong and plays his best with Harris. Not so sure why fans are so quick to give up on the Harris/Morris forward lineup, but I'm not. They've both been huge to our success, definitely more impactful than Drummond the last two months of the season.

I hope and expect to see the Harris/Morris duo back in the starting lineup next season with Johnson coming off the bench. There has been nothing Johnson has done consistently to prove he's ready to knock either one of those guys out of the lineup. Our starting lineup has accomplished a lot when you consider how weak our bench has been all season long...I'm not ready to ditch them, I'm ready to build a stronger bench and see what they can do.

Gotta keep upgrading if possible. Difference in this series is lack of stars that can close a game. We have 1 in Reggie but when they double him we have none. Either we need another star or we need better shooters around him to draw attention so he can star. Harris/Morris/KCP don't really provide either. They are like Luol Deng/Tayshaun type guys. Good role players, but if you have to rely on them winning you a playoff series its probably not happening.

I think we have our Ben and Chauncey again in Dre/Reggie. Now we need our Rip and Rasheed to go with them. Guys who won't give you 25-30 every night, but can do it any given night and close a playoff game. Right now we have too many Tito's and not enough Michael's.

If we can deal some of them for a star, we need to do it, and any we don't deal can bolster our bench.

The difference is also 2/3 Cavs Stars are in their primes. On the other hand, our entire core is still growing. We have all star potential at every single position. You let them grow together and see what happens.

ComboGuardCity wrote:

Todd3 wrote:

DTP wrote:Harris with the exception of the post season, has been great since coming here. Morris has finished strong and plays his best with Harris. Not so sure why fans are so quick to give up on the Harris/Morris forward lineup, but I'm not. They've both been huge to our success, definitely more impactful than Drummond the last two months of the season.

I hope and expect to see the Harris/Morris duo back in the starting lineup next season with Johnson coming off the bench. There has been nothing Johnson has done consistently to prove he's ready to knock either one of those guys out of the lineup. Our starting lineup has accomplished a lot when you consider how weak our bench has been all season long...I'm not ready to ditch them, I'm ready to build a stronger bench and see what they can do.

Gotta keep upgrading if possible. Difference in this series is lack of stars that can close a game. We have 1 in Reggie but when they double him we have none. Either we need another star or we need better shooters around him to draw attention so he can star. Harris/Morris/KCP don't really provide either. They are like Luol Deng/Tayshaun type guys. Good role players, but if you have to rely on them winning you a playoff series its probably not happening.

I think we have our Ben and Chauncey again in Dre/Reggie. Now we need our Rip and Rasheed to go with them. Guys who won't give you 25-30 every night, but can do it any given night and close a playoff game. Right now we have too many Tito's and not enough Michael's.

If we can deal some of them for a star, we need to do it, and any we don't deal can bolster our bench.

The difference is also 2/3 Cavs Stars are in their primes. On the other hand, our entire core is still growing. We have all star potential at every single position. You let them grow together and see what happens.

I agree on Reggie and Dre, but the other 3 don't have star potential to me. I don't think their skill sets are the ideal fit with Reggie and Dre either, even as just role players. So somethings gotta give. Either we need more stars or we need better fitting complentary players.

DTP wrote:

Todd3 wrote:

DTP wrote:Harris with the exception of the post season, has been great since coming here. Morris has finished strong and plays his best with Harris. Not so sure why fans are so quick to give up on the Harris/Morris forward lineup, but I'm not. They've both been huge to our success, definitely more impactful than Drummond the last two months of the season.

I hope and expect to see the Harris/Morris duo back in the starting lineup next season with Johnson coming off the bench. There has been nothing Johnson has done consistently to prove he's ready to knock either one of those guys out of the lineup. Our starting lineup has accomplished a lot when you consider how weak our bench has been all season long...I'm not ready to ditch them, I'm ready to build a stronger bench and see what they can do.

Gotta keep upgrading if possible. Difference in this series is lack of stars that can close a game. We have 1 in Reggie but when they double him we have none. Either we need another star or we need better shooters around him to draw attention so he can star. Harris/Morris/KCP don't really provide either. They are like Luol Deng/Tayshaun type guys. Good role players, but if you have to rely on them winning you a playoff series its probably not happening.

I think we have our Ben and Chauncey again in Dre/Reggie. Now we need our Rip and Rasheed to go with them. Guys who won't give you 25-30 every night, but can do it any given night and close a playoff game. Right now we have too many Tito's and not enough Michael's.

If we can deal some of them for a star, we need to do it, and any we don't deal can bolster our bench.

Any transaction to acquire that type of talent would be through a trade because no one is coming here as a free agent. What options are on the table right now? Teams aren't just handing out talent these days you know and our assets are still pretty limited. Chandler Parsons would be perfect for this team but I see no realistic way of him getting here. Absolutely none.

Harris has the tools offensively...he has the size, the great shooting touch. Now that he can focus in this off season on improving his outside shot and he knows the majority of attention from defenses will go to Dre and Reggie, he could really develop into something really nice. He's already crazy efficient.

yeah no guarantee we get a star in a trade, just saying that's what we need, and if not we should be surrounding Reggie/Dre with shooting specialists galore to create room for them instead. Like CLE has around LeBron/Kyrie.

“With Andre (Drummond) in the paint, he’s a great shot blocker,” said Lue. “So when our guards get down in the paint, he’s there waiting on them so they kick it out to the three-point shot. We’ve been doing a great job the last two games of stepping in and knocking those shots down. That’s how offense is played, and if not we can play inside with LeBron and Kevin.”

That's how we could be playing with Reggie and Dre because they command just as much attention in the paint as LeBron. We need better shooters though. Harris/Morris/KCP can make 3s, but they aren't pure shooters.

Pharaoh wrote:I don't wanna trade Harris or Mook unless we get a significant upgrade.

I think we can make it work with KCP, SJ, Harris & Mook:

PG - RJ 32 & FA/Rookie 16

SG - KCP 32 & SJ 16

SF - Mook 18, Harris 14, SJ 14

PF - Harris 20, Mook 12, FA/Rookie 16

C - Dre 32 & Baynes 16

Our FA/Rookie PF should be able to play some C in the event the match up doesn't favour Baynes

We'd still have Meeks, Bull & Hilly here to plug in at SG (or SF for Bull)

I honestly wanna see how we play the first 30 games next season after a full training camp with Harris

Probably the more reasonable post on this thread. KCP is a big moment guy so he's always going to be playoff ready even when the regular season he lays duds. So I'm set with him on that end. It primarily will come down to the 3/4 spots since we're not going to trade Dre and RJ has been better in passing lately to actually run the offense flow better and pushing pace. Hope he keeps that up and work on countering the blitzes in the PnRs when they trap him.

Seeing our 4/5 chasing KLove around while they run simple elevator plays for him and seeing our guys get caught on the double screen (doors) was what killed us and demanded so much attention. They just know how to execute better, starting with screens and moving off ball really well this series. It's almost Spurs-esque now that they have Kyrie healthy and KLove getting into a groove.

You don't need a start at every position, you need really good role players that can fulfill their roles greatly to their abilities and you package that around your "stars" to see what you have. This team isn't ready to compete for a championship but if it was, yes I'd agree you need a star. Right now its still developing....you can't just magically skip this stage of it. The '04 team wasn't a team made of any stars, just veterans that did something very well and played their roles very well. Its unfair to say Harris, KCP, and Morris can't reach that potential, because they haven't been in their roles long enough to even get comfortable in it. Billups took a long time to develop, you guys are forgetting that. It wasn't all rainbows with Ben Wallace either...you have to give guys a chance to grow.

I am totally hopeful and content with returning the same starting lineup next season and seeing what they can do with a full season under their belt and a good bench. I honestly don't see why they couldn't be as good as the Raptors are now, next season....I seriously don't.

I'm probably the furthest thing from a 'homer.'

If the Pistons could get incrementally better at any position, there'd be little chance to convince me from not moving any player on the roster.

I'm not a fan of Jackson, Morris, Johnson or Meeks. They'd all be shopped for better players if I had my druthers. Give me the lunchpail, blue collar guys who go to work and shut their pieholes without all the 'look at me --- worship me' nonsense that exudes from some.

Dinwiddie would be given his walking papers 2 minutes after the final buzzer of the last playoff game.

Now, hopefully I haven't incensed any members on this forum who can't wait to inform me that they're glad I'm not the GM.

DTP wrote:You don't need a start at every position, you need really good role players that can fulfill their roles greatly to their abilities and you package that around your "stars" to see what you have. This team isn't ready to compete for a championship but if it was, yes I'd agree you need a star. Right now its still developing....you can't just magically skip this stage of it. The '04 team wasn't a team made of any stars, just veterans that did something very well and played their roles very well. Its unfair to say Harris, KCP, and Morris can't reach that potential, because they haven't been in their roles long enough to even get comfortable in it. Billups took a long time to develop, you guys are forgetting that. It wasn't all rainbows with Ben Wallace either...you have to give guys a chance to grow.

I am totally hopeful and content with returning the same starting lineup next season and seeing what they can do with a full season under their belt and a good bench. I honestly don't see why they couldn't be as good as the Raptors are now, next season....I seriously don't.

Don't forget, we also acquired Tobias in the midseason. Let him get fully integrated within the system while at the same time, the coaching staff makes some changes to the system to accommodate his strengths too. Like off-ball scoring (dives to the basket) and quick one dribble pull ups.

I have no doubts about Tobias since he was starting to come into his own in the 2nd half of last night's game. I honestly think it's jitters. What last night showed me was that these guys still have so much room to grow, and having continuity (which is what SVG wants) is what constitutes that.

Honestly idk whos better between the 2 of morris and harris. All I know is that mook would get madder than tobias if he was asked to come off the bench