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How do you think this matchup would play out?

What year are they playing?

Cause if it's back in the day it's much more physical and Dre ain't used to that

Prime Lanier? With a healthy body? Drummond probably gets schooled. Lanier had a full offensive repertoire.

Pharaoh wrote:What year are they playing?

Cause if it's back in the day it's much more physical and Dre ain't used to that

Lol I keep saying this. Drummond would get destroyed next to guys like Alonzo Mourning and Shaun Kemp. Drummond is actually soft compared to those guys. Wallace would completely shut him down. Drummond is just a giant compared to the NBA right now. But put a horse like Cambell on him and he'll be closed out. Why do you think Washington does well against us? Gortat is a great a box out. Drummond at this point should keep trying to take advantage of his weight. Sooner or later he'll figure out what he can get away with. He's done a great job after the All Star and I can only imagine what another summer is going to do to his game. He dominated the game this season and was average last season. Next season is going to be interesting to see how he develops. He still has a lot of potential. He's still 22 years old, turns 23 in August.

WTF you talking about guys? Players now are stronger, faster and skiller than old times. You can keep your child dreams about "every last time was better" and all that s**t, but even being soft, until the 90's there are no physical specimen who can be matchup with Dre (talking about average players).

I mean, all time greats would be great in any era, but when you look at the average player, there are a way more superior level now.

Lanier maybe would be better than Dre, but talking about tough eras is just BS. They were much worse on defense than now, look at the pace and the average scores, even with rules who make more difficult be effective on defense.

Let a team with Smart, KCP/Bradley/Allen, Leonard, Green and DeAndre/Gobert be that physical in contacts like they were in the 90's and I guarantee you a few teams could pass 60 points.

In SVG We Trust wrote:WTF you talking about guys? Players now are stronger, faster and skiller than old times. You can keep your child dreams about "every last time was better" and all that s**t, but even being soft, until the 90's there are no physical specimen who can be matchup with Dre (talking about average players).

I mean, all time greats would be great in any era, but when you look at the average player, there are a way more superior level now.

Lanier maybe would be better than Dre, but talking about tough eras is just BS. They were much worse on defense than now, look at the pace and the average scores, even with rules who make more difficult be effective on defense.

Let a team with Smart, KCP/Bradley/Allen, Leonard, Green and DeAndre/Gobert be that physical in contacts like they were in the 90's and I guarantee you a few teams could pass 60 points.

Faster?.. maybe... stronger?...not a chance... more skilled than Dobber?... ridiculous.
Old or young you have to consider a players drive, toughness and willingness to sacrifice... this is where there is no comparison

In SVG We Trust wrote:WTF you talking about guys? Players now are stronger, faster and skiller than old times. You can keep your child dreams about "every last time was better" and all that s**t, but even being soft, until the 90's there are no physical specimen who can be matchup with Dre (talking about average players).

I mean, all time greats would be great in any era, but when you look at the average player, there are a way more superior level now.

I'll take Hakeem, Bird, Pippen, Jordan & Magic over whatever group you wanna pick fromtoday's NBA dude.

Then I'll pick Shaq, Barkley, Clyde, Reggie & Zeke and still win.

Stronger, faster, more skilled? Soft as toilet paper too! Ain't no one in the league got the will to compete with either 5 I picked

Lanier maybe would be better than Dre, but talking about tough eras is just BS. They were much worse on defense than now, look at the pace and the average scores, even with rules who make more difficult be effective on defense.

Let a team with Smart, KCP/Bradley/Allen, Leonard, Green and DeAndre/Gobert be that physical in contacts like they were in the 90's and I guarantee you a few teams could pass 60 points.

A lot of us could pick a group of 5 dudes that would destroy your D only line up dude.

What has changed in the league today is a lack of determination and a lack of fundamentals!

And without great fundamentals the players of yesteryear have a serious advantage

I can't stand that old granny O Robertson type speech. Sorry.

Just wait until they take hack a Dre next season. He's going to have more minutes and his numbers will be even higher.

An uninjured Lanier would dominate. I only ever saw the broke-down injured Lanier, and he was still pretty formidable.

Pharaoh wrote:

In SVG We Trust wrote:WTF you talking about guys? Players now are stronger, faster and skiller than old times. You can keep your child dreams about "every last time was better" and all that s**t, but even being soft, until the 90's there are no physical specimen who can be matchup with Dre (talking about average players).

I mean, all time greats would be great in any era, but when you look at the average player, there are a way more superior level now.

I'll take Hakeem, Bird, Pippen, Jordan & Magic over whatever group you wanna pick fromtoday's NBA dude.

Then I'll pick Shaq, Barkley, Clyde, Reggie & Zeke and still win.

Stronger, faster, more skilled? Soft as toilet paper too! Ain't no one in the league got the will to compete with either 5 I picked

Lanier maybe would be better than Dre, but talking about tough eras is just BS. They were much worse on defense than now, look at the pace and the average scores, even with rules who make more difficult be effective on defense.

Let a team with Smart, KCP/Bradley/Allen, Leonard, Green and DeAndre/Gobert be that physical in contacts like they were in the 90's and I guarantee you a few teams could pass 60 points.

A lot of us could pick a group of 5 dudes that would destroy your D only line up dude.

What has changed in the league today is a lack of determination and a lack of fundamentals!

And without great fundamentals the players of yesteryear have a serious advantage

Thank you.

And anyone who doesn't like the "it was better way back when" stuff who wasn't there can STFU.

Lanier >>

In a 1 on 1 game? Lanier would put the hurt on Drummond. You're talking about an incredibly fundamentally sound big against a young man who just tries to jump over everyone.

Big O, are you?

Fundamentals are the funniest part of your post. Look every player ball-handling in the 80's and look it now. Look at the speed they do the same things, look at the fundamentals on defense and the rotations, look the switch or how teams blitz pick n roll now. You can't be serious if you aren't a grouch old man.

Lanier had range out to 20ft. He was considered a very mobile bigman with an outside and inside game. Didn't play great defense but held his own in the golden age of Cs. The guy went up against KAJ, McAdoo, Cowens, Wilt, Bellamy, Thurmond, Unseld, Hayes, Reed and Walton in a 14 team league.

I think Lanier is the superior player, don't get me wrong, but people are arguing it with the false premises, aka im old and all the old things are better, little kid.

In SVG We Trust wrote:I think Lanier is the superior player, don't get me wrong, but people are arguing it with the false premises, aka im old and all the old things are better, little kid.

It ain't about things were better when I was younger!

It's about players having a more well rounded game, playing a more physical style, being mentally tougher.

You're claiming that players today are faster & possibly stronger.

Us old guys are arguing that whatever advantages the players today might have don't compensate for the fact they're actually not more fundamentally sound and aren't as mentally tough.

Let's cut to the chase: if the best of the old timers played the best of today's players with today's rules it's a great game likely decided in the last few minutes - I'll take any team with Michael Jordan on it to win it though.

And if that same game was played under 80s or 90s rules I'll take the old timers by a mile!

So.... the HOF in his prime vs a young Dre? C'mon, what are we even doing here? smh

Cowology wrote:So.... the HOF in his prime vs a young Dre? C'mon, what are we even doing here? smh

But but but...Dre is younger, faster, stronger, better lol

When you use lol, you're losing the discussion.

Today is much more difficult to defend because the rules are thought to favor the offense, and even with that, there are better defenders right now, just looking stats and watching a full game and not highlights.

Let Tony Allen be that 90's physical and I guarantee you're not going to see a player not named Jordan reaching 30 points in a game.

The 2000's got Duncan, Kobe, Shaq and LeBron who are Top-10 players ever, and right now we got an alien performing the most efficiency offense we've seen in this league.

If you're that old and you see that basketball in his era, I suggest you to watch some games now. The game has evolved and it's not even a debate, if you let people now defend being physical like in the 80's-90's, you're not going to watch any game, that's for sure. They were tougher, yeah, that's true, but because his physical abilities don't let them to defend properly.

Still talking about averages players. Superstars and rare dominant specimens like Wilt would dominate any era, but no way they would dominate like in their times.

I mean, don't let your kid's memories cloud your judgement, and watch a full game of the 80's. I can give you a lot of games if you want, since I'm a crazy basketball student.

Look at the defensive rotations and the help-side defense... You need to let the good times past my friend.