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Piston All-Time Fantasy League 1st Round : Snakebites* (2) vs. RexRyan (7)

Posted: Fri Jun 3, 2016 3:15 pm
by Laimbeer
Do NOT vote or discuss in this thread until Snakebites and RexRyan have posted their writeups.

Re: Piston All-Time Fantasy League : Snakebites (2) vs. RexRyan (7)

Posted: Sat Jun 4, 2016 1:11 am
by Snakebites
Spot reserved for my writeup. I'll go ahead and post my rotation here to get it going. Writeup coming later tonight.

Lanier (37)/Webber (11)
Mills (32)/Tyler (16)
Tyler (14)/Aguirre (34)
Hunter (34)/Curry (10)/James (4)
Jackson (33)/James (13)

Getting no playing time: Kyle Singler (sorry bro)

Offense: Balance is the name of the game in these types of contest, and frankly, we're the team that's got it. We run a conventional offense with Lanier and Jackson as the primary scorers and Mills, Tyler, and Hunter helping to spread the floor. Nobody on our team can be ignored on offense, and we've also got playmaking all over the place with Jackson, Hunter, and Lanier all being great passers. Oh, and we've also got one of the best scoring 6th men in this game in Mark Aguirre to ensure that we'll always be able to produce.

We've got the best post player ever to play for this team by a country mile, who can not only post up, but can also shoot from the elbow and serve as a secondary hub in our offense as the best passing big man in this game as well. He's our most important offensive player, and Rex won't even be able to double team him without giving up outside shots to Terry Mills, the perfect complement to him.

On the perimeter, Jackson can cut to the hole and either score it himself, drop it to a big man, or kick out to one of my various shooters. Our offense has too many ways to beat you, and with guys like Tobias Harris, Kelly Tripucka, and Allen Iverson figuring prominently in this team's game plan, they simply don't have a defense equal to the task of handling us.

Defense: I look at my opposing team and see perimeter offense. Bing and Iverson are both high usage guards that I'm unconvinced could figure out how to play effectively together, and the perimeter is where our defense is the strongest. Hunter and James formed a formidable defensive combo in our 2004 championship year, and this will be similar, but with a younger and faster Lindsay Hunter.

Lanier is an effective shot blocker who should be effective in that role, especially when facing an offense that isn't particularly well spaced and doesn't have strong perimeter shooters. Terry Tyler was also an effective defender and shot blocker with enough size to give our opponents fits.

It boils down to a question: do you vote for the team with the bigger names or the team that's actually constructed to fit effectively together? Don't let the star power fool you, his team is inefficient and easy to guard.

Re: Piston All-Time Fantasy League : Snakebites (2) vs. RexRyan (7)

Posted: Sat Jun 4, 2016 2:20 pm
by RexRyan
Good Luck Snake!

Let's go Tale of the Tape-Style.....

By draft round: (My player first, followed by Snake's)

Bing < Lanier - Both Hall of Famers, but slight advantage to the Big Man. I thought Bing would be drafted third. - Advantage, Snake
Laimbeer > Jackson - let me know next time Reggie makes an All-Star team, Lambs made three - Advantage, Rex
Tripucka > Mills - Again, let me know next time Mills makes an All-star team. Tripucka made two - Advantage, Rex
Harris > Hunter - Peak Hunter was 14 and 2. Peak Harris is 17 and 6. Advantage, Rex
Iverson = Aguirre - Aguirre was 15/4 for champion, Iverson 17/5 after their trades. Call it a push.
Edwards > Tyler - Edwards 15/4 for championship team, Tyler 12/6 for crappy one. Advantage, Rex
Smith > James - as bad as we think Josh Smith was, he's twice the player James ever will be. Advantage, Rex
Money > Webber - Money peaked at 19 and 5, Webber peaked as a King. Advantage, Rex
Woolridge > Curry - not a big advantage, as Curry was a good defender, but 12 and 6 versus 5 and 4? Advantage, Rex
Calderon > Singler - Not even close. Advantage, Rex

So that's 8 for Rex, one for Snake, and one tie. Break it down by position, I win all spots except center.

Offense - DO YOU SEE ALL THE OFFENSIVE STUDS ON MY ROSTER? My eighth pick almost averaged 20 points! This team will score 150 points a game. Call us Golden State East.

Defense - I have Laimbeer to yell at everybody who falls out of line, not to mention two All-NBA defensive players (albeit not with Detroit, but they know what to do). Bing was regarded as a great defender, AI would be a steals magnet on this team, Smith and Harris are extremely versatile, and Buddha could clog it up down low. The defense will be fine.

Chemistry - Blah blah blah - the Warriors seem to do just fine with All-stars and starters coming off their bench, my team would too.

Minutes:

Laimbeer 32/Edwards 16
Harris 32/Smith 12/Edwards 4
Tripucka 32/ Smith 8/ Woolridge 8
Iverson 28/ Money 20
Bing 36/ Iverson 4/ Calderon 8

My team has too much firepower. Enough said.

Final Score: Rex 148, Snake 114

Re: Piston All-Time Fantasy League : Snakebites (2) vs. RexRyan (7)

Posted: Sat Jun 4, 2016 3:55 pm
by Snakebites
Are we allowed to do rebuttals? Back in the day we could do rebuttals.

Re: Piston All-Time Fantasy League : Snakebites (2) vs. RexRyan (7)

Posted: Sat Jun 4, 2016 4:27 pm
by Laimbeer
Snakebites wrote:Are we allowed to do rebuttals? Back in the day we could do rebuttals.


My concern would be judges not really knowing when a debate is over or voting before both have had all their say. It might protract the games as well.

Re: Piston All-Time Fantasy League : Snakebites (2) vs. RexRyan (7)

Posted: Sat Jun 4, 2016 4:32 pm
by Laimbeer
I like the offensive firepower RexRyan has developed around the perimeter. Laimbeer is an effective counter to Lanier because he's an excellent low post defender and can pull him away from the hoop on offense. But I'd have to agree Bing, while great, is an awkward fit with Iverson. I'd probably play Iverson as a sparkplug behind Bing and give Tripuka a lot of minutes at the two to take advantage of the lack of size in the other backcourt.

At the end of the day I believe Lanier and the chemistry win this for Snakebites in six.

Re: Piston All-Time Fantasy League : Snakebites (2) vs. RexRyan (7)

Posted: Sat Jun 4, 2016 6:39 pm
by MotownMadness
I'm going with Snakebites team in 7

Re: Piston All-Time Fantasy League : Snakebites (2) vs. RexRyan (7)

Posted: Sat Jun 4, 2016 6:48 pm
by RexRyan
MotownMadness wrote:I'm going with Snakebites team in 7


Good thing your vote doesn't count!

Re: Piston All-Time Fantasy League : Snakebites (2) vs. RexRyan (7)

Posted: Sat Jun 4, 2016 6:52 pm
by MotownMadness
RexRyan wrote:
MotownMadness wrote:I'm going with Snakebites team in 7


Good thing your vote doesn't count!

Was I not supposed to that? My bad I don't even know what you guys are doing. I was thinking you wanted everyone to vote on who would win or something.

Re: Piston All-Time Fantasy League : Snakebites (2) vs. RexRyan (7)

Posted: Sat Jun 4, 2016 7:11 pm
by RexRyan
MotownMadness wrote:
RexRyan wrote:
MotownMadness wrote:I'm going with Snakebites team in 7


Good thing your vote doesn't count!

Was I not supposed to that? My bad I don't even know what you guys are doing. I was thinking you wanted everyone to vote on who would win or something.


All good - the others in the competition are judging. The only outside votes that count are the ones for me. Kind of like this November - Republicans vote on Tuesday, Democrats vote on Wednesday.

Re: Piston All-Time Fantasy League : Snakebites (2) vs. RexRyan (7)

Posted: Sat Jun 4, 2016 7:27 pm
by MrBigShot
Rex's team has a crapload of offensive firepower to be sure, but I think Snake makes a very convincing case for his squad on the base of balance. He has the personnel to slowdown Rex's backcourt, and I think for Iverson to be effective he needs to dominate the ball with the rest of his squad shoring up the defense. Not a great fit with Bing as others have stated. Reggie is outmatched by Bing, but he's no slouch and made a decent case at an all star spot this season while proving he can run a team and shoulder almost all of the shot creation for a full season. Better balance of offense and defense + luxury of having the best player on the floor. This reminds me of the battles the mid 2000s Spurs and Suns used to have in the playoffs. I'd give it to Snake in 7.

Re: Piston All-Time Fantasy League : Snakebites (2) vs. RexRyan (7)

Posted: Sat Jun 4, 2016 7:56 pm
by Laimbeer
MotownMadness wrote:
RexRyan wrote:
MotownMadness wrote:I'm going with Snakebites team in 7


Good thing your vote doesn't count!

Was I not supposed to that? My bad I don't even know what you guys are doing. I was thinking you wanted everyone to vote on who would win or something.


Only the votes of participants count, but all are welcome to comment. I'm enjoying all the reactions.

Re: Piston All-Time Fantasy League : Snakebites (2) vs. RexRyan (7)

Posted: Sat Jun 4, 2016 10:03 pm
by Warspite
Rex team could score 150 pts but it would need to take 400 shots to score it.

Snake has Lanier and Mills (who is a underrated in todays rules) and they are the eff duo to counter the gunners of Ryan. The one great eff scorer of Ryans is Tripuka and he is going up against Snakes best defender.

Iverson and Bing are just too many bricks and too few assisted layups to be able to generate eff offense to counter Lanier and Mills. Yes I'm not sold on Snakes backcourt but it plays great defense. Aguirre off the bench gives this team the depth it needs.


Snake in 6 games only because AI or Bing will go off for 50 in a game but every game Snake wins will be a blow out.

Re: Piston All-Time Fantasy League : Snakebites (2) vs. RexRyan (7)

Posted: Sat Jun 4, 2016 10:15 pm
by flow
RexRyan's picks in rounds 1-3 were strong. (Bing, Laimbeer, Tripuka). Getting Bing at #7 in the first round was one of the steals of the draft. But things fell off a bit for him after that. Snakebites did better in the middle rounds. Both teams have potential issues at PG, particularly Snakebites if he's playing Hunter at the 2 the whole game. Lanier could dominate down low if RJ lets him, but Rex does have bodies to throw at him. Both teams have shooters, but Rex doesn't have much of it off the bench. Tough call. Could go 7.

Re: Piston All-Time Fantasy League : Snakebites (2) vs. RexRyan (7)

Posted: Sat Jun 4, 2016 10:21 pm
by flow
Warspite wrote:Rex team could score 150 pts but it would need to take 400 shots to score it.

Snake has Lanier and Mills (who is a underrated in todays rules) and they are the eff duo to counter the gunners of Ryan. The one great eff scorer of Ryans is Tripuka and he is going up against Snakes best defender.

Iverson and Bing are just too many bricks and too few assisted layups to be able to generate eff offense to counter Lanier and Mills. Yes I'm not sold on Snakes backcourt but it plays great defense. Aguirre off the bench gives this team the depth it needs.


Snake in 6 games only because AI or Bing will go off for 50 in a game but every game Snake wins will be a blow out.


Wait, did you just put RJ and 'great defense' in the same sentence?


* Sorry for the digression. Couldn't help myself. Carry on.

Re: Piston All-Time Fantasy League : Snakebites (2) vs. RexRyan (7)

Posted: Sun Jun 5, 2016 12:10 am
by MrBigShot
flow wrote:
Warspite wrote:Rex team could score 150 pts but it would need to take 400 shots to score it.

Snake has Lanier and Mills (who is a underrated in todays rules) and they are the eff duo to counter the gunners of Ryan. The one great eff scorer of Ryans is Tripuka and he is going up against Snakes best defender.

Iverson and Bing are just too many bricks and too few assisted layups to be able to generate eff offense to counter Lanier and Mills. Yes I'm not sold on Snakes backcourt but it plays great defense. Aguirre off the bench gives this team the depth it needs.


Snake in 6 games only because AI or Bing will go off for 50 in a game but every game Snake wins will be a blow out.


Wait, did you just put RJ and 'great defense' in the same sentence?


* Sorry for the digression. Couldn't help myself. Carry on.


Im 99% he's talking about Mike James and Lindsey Hunter specifically.

Re: Piston All-Time Fantasy League : Snakebites (2) vs. RexRyan (7)

Posted: Sun Jun 5, 2016 12:19 am
by Pharaoh
Rex is strong in the backcourt but:

Snake takes that away with Hunter, James & Curry...multiple defenders to really make Iverson work...

With his greatest strength neutralized I don't see how he can win 4 outta 7

Snake in 5 or 6 games

Re: Piston All-Time Fantasy League : Snakebites (2) vs. RexRyan (7)

Posted: Sun Jun 5, 2016 1:40 am
by RexRyan
Pharaoh wrote:Rex is strong in the backcourt but:

Snake takes that away with Hunter, James & Curry...multiple defenders to really make Iverson work...


On that note, I surrender. I had a theory, I gave it my best, but my theory prevailed...... Good luck everyone!

Re: Re: Re: Piston All-Time Fantasy League : Snakebites (2) vs. RexRyan (7)

Posted: Sun Jun 5, 2016 3:35 am
by Pharaoh
RexRyan wrote:
Pharaoh wrote:Rex is strong in the backcourt but:

Snake takes that away with Hunter, James & Curry...multiple defenders to really make Iverson work...


On that note, I surrender. I had a theory, I gave it my best, but my theory prevailed...... Good luck everyone!


What's your theory?

Re: Re: Re: Piston All-Time Fantasy League : Snakebites (2) vs. RexRyan (7)

Posted: Sun Jun 5, 2016 4:36 am
by RexRyan
Pharaoh wrote:
RexRyan wrote:
Pharaoh wrote:Rex is strong in the backcourt but:

Snake takes that away with Hunter, James & Curry...multiple defenders to really make Iverson work...


On that note, I surrender. I had a theory, I gave it my best, but my theory prevailed...... Good luck everyone!


What's your theory?


I'll share it after it's all over - all good