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BadMofoPimp · Post #1381 » by **BadMofoPimp** » Wed Aug 9, 2017 1:46 am

Donatas signs in China for 1 year $3mil. Smart of SVG to stop that trade. Dude was way overrated.

ElectricMayhem · Post #1382 » by **ElectricMayhem** » Thu Aug 10, 2017 1:44 pm

BadMofoPimp wrote:Donatas signs in China for 1 year $3mil. Smart of SVG to stop that trade. Dude was way overrated.

I thought it was a brilliant trade when it was first reported. Imagine an alternate universe where we didn't do our due diligence and not only did we keep him, but signed him to $17m/year or whatever it was we were estimating he would get on the open market.

MotownMadness · Post #1383 » by **MotownMadness** » Thu Aug 10, 2017 2:35 pm

ElectricMayhem wrote:
BadMofoPimp wrote:Donatas signs in China for 1 year $3mil. Smart of SVG to stop that trade. Dude was way overrated.

I thought it was a brilliant trade when it was first reported. Imagine an alternate universe where we didn't do our due diligence and not only did we keep him, but signed him to $17m/year or whatever it was we were estimating he would get on the open market.

I was pretty excited when we first got him as he showed a lot of potential the year before in Houston. Thank God SVG caught onto his injuries before it was too late though as that would have sucked.

chrbal · Post #1384 » by **chrbal** » Thu Aug 10, 2017 6:48 pm

I won't say I was a huge fan of the original trade. Never like giving up 1sts for role players that have "potential", almost 4 years into the NBA and 5+ after being drafted.
Trade wasn't awful, I got the idea of why (had the deal stayed).

I wonder if Donatas still wants to sue us? god we dodged a bullet.

Pharaoh · Post #1385 » by **Pharaoh** » Sat Aug 12, 2017 1:01 am

Pharaoh wrote:Since Kyrie seems to be the big discussion of the off-season:

Who are your "franchise" players? How do you decide who is - and isn't - a "franchise" player?

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Since no one replied

IMO:

Atlanta, Brooklyn, Boston, CHA, CHI don't have a franchise guy

Cavs have Lebron

DEN, DAL, DET don't have a franchise player

GSW have KD & Curry

HOU have Harden - I no longer view CP3 as a franchise guy

IND, LAC, LAL, MIA, MEM don't have franchise guys

MIL has Giannis
MIN has KAT

NO has AD

NY doesn't have a franchise player

OKC has Westbrook

ORL, PHI, PHO, POR, SAC don't have franchise guys

Spurs have Leonard

TOR, UTA & WAS don't have franchise guys either

Lebron, KD, Curry, Harden, Westbrook, KAT, Giannis, AD, Leonard...

Those guys are true franchise players to me. Jimmy Butler might be

There's a lot of guys who are close or could be (Joel, Cousins) but not there for whatever reason IMO

In SVG We Trust · Post #1386 » by **In SVG We Trust** » Mon Aug 14, 2017 8:13 am

Man your concept of franchise player is absolutely wrong. Blake Griffin, John Wall, Jokic, Isaiah Thomas, Butler, Lillard... Those guys are totally legit franchise players.

Pharaoh · Post #1387 » by **Pharaoh** » Mon Aug 14, 2017 2:53 pm

In SVG We Trust wrote:Man your concept of franchise player is absolutely wrong. Blake Griffin, John Wall, Jokic, Isaiah Thomas, Butler, Lillard... Those guys are totally legit franchise players.

Blake - history of injuries

Wall - quality but struggled to lead his team anywhere until last season when Beal & Porter fired

Jokic - less than a full season of stellar play eliminates him

IT2 - up until last season he was nothing impressive

Butler - extremely close I admit but the Bulls last season were terrible in the weak East

Dame - also extremely close but not quite there yet.

Happy for people to post their own lists though cause there's no set criteria available and it is the off-season

Post #1388 » by **Timmaytime** » Tue Aug 15, 2017 12:10 pm

Pharaoh wrote:
In SVG We Trust wrote:Man your concept of franchise player is absolutely wrong. Blake Griffin, John Wall, Jokic, Isaiah Thomas, Butler, Lillard... Those guys are totally legit franchise players.

Blake - history of injuries

Wall - quality but struggled to lead his team anywhere until last season when Beal & Porter fired

Jokic - less than a full season of stellar play eliminates him

IT2 - up until last season he was nothing impressive

Butler - extremely close I admit but the Bulls last season were terrible in the weak East

Dame - also extremely close but not quite there yet.

Happy for people to post their own lists though cause there's no set criteria available and it is the off-season

Seems more psychological than skill-based imo.

Curry, Bron, KD, Harden, Westbrook, Kawhi, Davis are obvious.

I would argue Towns, Lillard, IT, Wall, PG13 and Giannis too

Also what's your reasoning on CP3? Just curious

Pharaoh · Post #1389 » by **Pharaoh** » Tue Aug 15, 2017 2:09 pm

Timmaytime wrote:
Pharaoh wrote:
In SVG We Trust wrote:Man your concept of franchise player is absolutely wrong. Blake Griffin, John Wall, Jokic, Isaiah Thomas, Butler, Lillard... Those guys are totally legit franchise players.

Blake - history of injuries

Wall - quality but struggled to lead his team anywhere until last season when Beal & Porter fired

Jokic - less than a full season of stellar play eliminates him

IT2 - up until last season he was nothing impressive

Butler - extremely close I admit but the Bulls last season were terrible in the weak East

Dame - also extremely close but not quite there yet.

Happy for people to post their own lists though cause there's no set criteria available and it is the off-season

Seems more psychological than skill-based imo.

Curry, Bron, KD, Harden, Westbrook, Kawhi, Davis are obvious.

I would argue Towns, Lillard, IT, Wall, PG13 and Giannis too

Also what's your reasoning on CP3? Just curious

CP3 = aging, injury prone & some poor results in LA make me question his "franchise" tag.

Post #1390 » by **Timmaytime** » Tue Aug 15, 2017 4:36 pm

Pharaoh wrote:
Timmaytime wrote:
Pharaoh wrote:Blake - history of injuries

Wall - quality but struggled to lead his team anywhere until last season when Beal & Porter fired

Jokic - less than a full season of stellar play eliminates him

IT2 - up until last season he was nothing impressive

Butler - extremely close I admit but the Bulls last season were terrible in the weak East

Dame - also extremely close but not quite there yet.

Happy for people to post their own lists though cause there's no set criteria available and it is the off-season

Seems more psychological than skill-based imo.

Curry, Bron, KD, Harden, Westbrook, Kawhi, Davis are obvious.

I would argue Towns, Lillard, IT, Wall, PG13 and Giannis too

Also what's your reasoning on CP3? Just curious

CP3 = aging, injury prone & some poor results in LA make me question his "franchise" tag.

Injury questions, i'll buy, but that also means that AD isn't a franchise player.

I don't think CP3 has declined noticeable in quality, although he has in volume. And if those are poor results than we have to really wonder whether there are any franchise players other than Steph, Lebron and KD.

Pharaoh · Post #1391 » by **Pharaoh** » Wed Aug 16, 2017 2:20 am

Because CP3 is older his injuries carry more weight than ADs

And the poor results for CP3 mean more because I can't recall the last playoff series he dominated.

All the guys I named other than KAT have dominated at least one playoff series or carried their team to the playoffs pretty much single handed.

CP3 hasn't done either in years!

I'm well aware my list is not going to be the same as many (any?) and that's ok.

I don't pretend to be the last word on the topic and thought it would be something to pass the time.

How do we determine "franchise" players? What criteria is there? Is it based on a "feeling" or is it more tangible?

In SVG We Trust · Post #1392 » by **In SVG We Trust** » Thu Aug 17, 2017 7:06 pm

If I was LeBron I would try to go to the Celtics no matter what. They're a perfect fit for GSW, got young players who can contribute with cheap contracts and two great players and scorers who can play off ball like Thomas and Hayward. Morris giving a rest to the King would be great.

And they would go to the Finals without lose a game.

BadMofoPimp · Post #1393 » by **BadMofoPimp** » Thu Aug 17, 2017 10:58 pm

Boban looks pissed off.

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Post #1394 » by **Timmaytime** » Fri Aug 18, 2017 3:59 pm

Pharaoh wrote:Because CP3 is older his injuries carry more weight than ADs

And the poor results for CP3 mean more because I can't recall the last playoff series he dominated.

All the guys I named other than KAT have dominated at least one playoff series or carried their team to the playoffs pretty much single handed.

CP3 hasn't done either in years!

I'm well aware my list is not going to be the same as many (any?) and that's ok.

I don't pretend to be the last word on the topic and thought it would be something to pass the time.

How do we determine "franchise" players? What criteria is there? Is it based on a "feeling" or is it more tangible?

CP3 also hasn't had a bad series since the SAS sweep in 2012

Davis played very well in the series against GSW a couple years ago, but his team was swept. And I don't think his performance was any noticeably better than CP3's against the Spurs in '15, or even Utah this past year

Westbrook hasn't had any dominating playoff series, neither has Harden

Clips were 31-16 with Paul and without Griffin in '16 (22-13 with Griffin), is that not carrying?

Pharaoh · Post #1395 » by **Pharaoh** » Sat Aug 19, 2017 2:16 pm

CP3 IMO is aging, injury prone and now in Houston as the #2.

I no longer view him as a franchise player

In SVG We Trust · Post #1396 » by **In SVG We Trust** » Sat Aug 19, 2017 11:24 pm

Internet is a wonderful place

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Pharaoh · Post #1397 » by **Pharaoh** » Thu Aug 24, 2017 1:32 pm

Apparently Jae Crowder's Mom passed away the same day he was traded from Boston

BadMofoPimp · Post #1398 » by **BadMofoPimp** » Wed Aug 30, 2017 11:40 pm

Andrew Nicholson just got waived by Portland for Luxury tax reasons. Dude can seriously score on anybody, but is horrible on Defense. Pistons should consider him on a minimum contract for depth at PF.

Kilo · Post #1399 » by **Kilo** » Sat Sep 2, 2017 2:31 pm

Big LOL at Lakers admitting they only really were interested in KCP to form a relationship with his agent. And given LAL won't have KCP's bird rights they ain't gonna keep him if they did last Lebron. It's going to be the Lonzo Ball show in LA, KCP being an after-thought who got paid to allow his agent to save face, but will not be any focal point of the offense to help him earn a UFA contract the next off-season.

Pharaoh · Post #1400 » by **Pharaoh** » Sat Sep 2, 2017 2:56 pm

Kilo wrote:Big LOL at Lakers admitting they only really were interested in KCP to form a relationship with his agent. And given LAL won't have KCP's bird rights they ain't gonna keep him if they did last Lebron. It's going to be the Lonzo Ball show in LA, KCP being an after-thought who got paid to allow his agent to save face, but will not be any focal point of the offense to help him earn a UFA contract the next off-season.

And he's going into FA next off-season when Brooklyn is out of the running since they acquired Crabbe

So where's he gonna go?

Who's gonna have $15+ mil to offer?