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What are some things outside of the obvious this team can do to see improvement. Im not talking drummond hitting free throws or stanley developing a shot. Im talkimg things like scheme, putting players in position to suceed. Ill get the ball rolling.

KCP- would like to get him some screens on the perimiter to get him more back door cuts, get him moving towards the rim. Hes improved at this through finishing better, working on ball handling and recognition from refs (getting to the line, no respect year 1 or 2). This is slowly becoming a strong point for him, lets get him doing this more.

DRUMMOND- lets set up some designed kick outs. Get designed off the ball movement. Get our perimiter players setting screens for eachother. Dump it into drummond with a designed play for him to kick out to a player coming off a screen.

I got more but interested to hear your thoughts first.

I think we need to run more plays for Drummond in the post. Our offense becomes too predictable when we go with the Reggie/Dre pick and roll so often. Drummond already has a nice hook shot...what he needs to do is work on getting better post positioning (closer to the basket). I'm sure we can run plays where that is the emphasis.

P.S. Welcome to the board!

I would like to see SJ & possibly Tobias get more time as the "point" guy in the P&R. Spreading out the distribution responsibilities could hopefully save some energy for Reggie to give more of a consistent effort defensively and make us much more difficult to defend.

Thechuff91 wrote:DRUMMOND- lets set up some designed kick outs. Get designed off the ball movement. Get our perimiter players setting screens for eachother. Dump it into drummond with a designed play for him to kick out to a player coming off a screen.

First of all welcome to the forum!

To kind of piggyback onto this, I think Drummond continuing to improve in the post will help the offense a lot. If he can score more consistently in the post then teams will have to send help more often/quicker which leads to more kickout opportunities. The second thing dre has to improve on then is kicking it out to the open man, which he has shown some ability to do. Most of the ones I remember are him passing it out before he starts his dribble when he catches the defense cheating but him kicking it out as he's backing his man down is a bit harder, more things to focus on at once. His big improvement from 2015 to 2016 gives me a lot of hope to see another jump next season.

Short term - teach Dre to make a decent outlet pass and give the other bigs the green light to bring it up. Part of the benefit of having a dominant rebounding center is that it SHOULD give the other guys chances to get out in transition. We've got guys who can fill lanes now, so let them run.

Long term - we need more off the player movement. I'm not talking warriors style positionless basketball, just traditional cuts/screens etc. If our primary plays are going to pick and rolls and post ups, it's really easy for guys to end up ball watching.

The few times we saw it last year, Dre setting the pick for Marcus Morris worked really well for us. Perhaps its only something we can do against certain opposing PF/C combinations but having Morris handling the ball on the pick and roll and putting the pressure on their bigs to come out of the paint area is huge. If Morris could start hitting that jumper off the Dre screen it could be huge in setting up Dre's ability to get to the basket.

KCP really needs to work on his 3 point shooting... That has the ability to open up much more for our team inside too. If he could get to 35% this year I think that's a huge help for us.

More high low, more baseline, more running dudes off curls and cuts, different ball handlers in PnR & PnP...

What people believe is a whole new offense would actually be adding layers onto our pre-school version

Year One is done - time to make them work

More Drummond/Harris pick and rolls, I really like what I saw from those two, even without a training camp together.

I'd like to try out Harris in a Draymond Green-ish role on offence.

I'm glad to see people think the way I think about our offense and how we need more off the ball movement and diversity to it. There's certain people who honestly want to have 3 shooters standing around watching and waiting for the kickout while Reggie and Dre pound the pnr into oblivion.

Yea if I remember the svg end of the year presser right..he wanted more off ball movement and movement off screens. As well as other guys running the pnr with Drummond, so that means kcp, Mook, and Tobias. Improvement in those areas along with guys continuing to get their percentages up and the offense could be a real tough stop.

Give Morris more time on ball and see what he can do in the pnr and playmaking. Reggie play at a faster pace and use the athletes we have on the team in Harris, KCP, Andre, and himself.

Well stan did say awhile back that this year was all about the basics, and he would slowly start adding more, and more layers to the offense. The Pistons have way to many offensive weapons to almost exclusively use the P&R with only Andre and Reggie.

I expect a he'll of a lot more cutting motions in our offense next year as every single one of our starters are excellent finishers around the rim.

It's just hard to say for sure what kind if offense we are going to run until free agency is over and the team has settled in. If the Pistons land a starter (Horford, someone else no one is talking about who kows with Stan. All the PF talk could just be a smokescreen to try and land Lin) it could change our whole approach on offense.

First off, welcome to the boards and congrats on a tremendous first post / thread!

I'm not going to parrot what's been said already, but yes, count me in for more off-ball screens and player movement, particularly around Dre in the low post, to facilitate easy looks. IMHO, what makes the Warriors' offense so potent isn't just the other-worldly shooting of Curry and Thompson; it's the way they create wide-open jumpers and lay ups for everybody else. I mean honestly, their bench is good, but playing in that system makes guys like Barbosa, Speights, Livingston, etc. look great. And truthfully, the Spurs have been doing this for years as well (although in a different style). Why do you think FAs who leave their team typically fall off a cliff? It's because playing TEAM offense instead of iso-ball makes everyone better.

But mark my words, you know who else knows this? SVG, 'cuz that's the direction our offense began to morph after the Tobias trade. Ilya was an old-school, one-trick-pony stretch four, and those don't work anymore. I'm not saying we play "position-less basketball" like Golden St., but I don't think it's an accident that SVG has surrounded Dre with offensive players who can hurt the opposition from anywhere. Say what you will about our shooting, but Reggie, KCP, Tobias, Mook and Stanley are all players who are threats to score from deep, mid-range, and to drive, and therefore must be defended as such. And you know who else appears to fit that bill? Henry Ellenson.

Consistency, which means focusing on the basics. The big win against Golden State last season wasn't a fluke; the Pistons hustled, played smart and did what they should do. It was a legitimate win rather than a "they couldn't hit their shots and we couldn't miss" thing. They just need to do that more often.

I would like to see some time spent with our own variation of the small ball squad - Tobias / Mook / SJ / KCP / Reggie together. If Mook or Tobias could hold up for spot time at the "5" we could have a dangerous curveball lineup with that group.

I would like to almost completely abandon postups to Andre until he proves he can be effecient/pass out/etc. Was one of the worst post up players in the NBA last year.

Scout Taron wrote:I would like to almost completely abandon postups to Andre until he proves he can be effecient/pass out/etc. Was one of the worst post up players in the NBA last year.

A combination of practice + film + game experience is the best way to learn. He will have growing pains but he's suppose to be our franchise guy, and being able to get his own bucket in isolation and learn to pass out of the post will be critical for his development. We don't to totally force feed him all game like we were doing at the beginning of his 3rd year, but he needs opportunities. He can't prove that he can be efficient in the post if we never let him do it in game.

I share the sentiments of other posters that I want our offense to be more dynamic. We'll be more dangerous when there is less pressure on Reggie to handle nearly all of the shot creation. When we can dump it into Dre or Morris for a post up, let Harris or Stanley work on at the elbow or operate on the ball in P&Rs, run KCP off screens and if all else fails just go to the classic Reggie & Dre pick and roll.

Scout Taron wrote:I would like to almost completely abandon postups to Andre until he proves he can be effecient/pass out/etc. Was one of the worst post up players in the NBA last year.

How do you improve on something by abandoning it?

Pharaoh wrote:More high low, more baseline, more running dudes off curls and cuts, different ball handlers in PnR & PnP...

So, basically you want movement on offense? Yeah, that would be nice.

DetroitSho wrote:

Scout Taron wrote:I would like to almost completely abandon postups to Andre until he proves he can be effecient/pass out/etc. Was one of the worst post up players in the NBA last year.

How do you improve on something by abandoning it?

This... His efficiency is much higher when he make the effort to get deep position... if he uses his angles properly there is no 5 man that can keep him out of the paint. Dre has nice touch as long as he's not attempting 12 foot hooks.
He can get help shaking loose with back screens.
Looking forward to seeing new variations from the basic sets... good thread and a litmus test for our coaching staff.