Who should/will get more minutes: Boban or Baynes?

[Laimbeer]

Poll aboard.

[bballnmike]

I think as long as Baynes as is on the team, he should and will get more minutes. That said, either by a trade at the deadline or when Baynes walks after declining his PO for more money, Boban will be ready to take over. But at least for the first half of the season Baynes will be the #2 C

edit: and if Boban is better than expected and ready to be the primary backup early, then thats a good problem to have and we likely move Baynes before the deadline.

[Blkbrd671]

Baynes for now, Babo will get his chance but i think he'll take time to learn the offensive sets and more importantly to SVG defensive rotations.

[freddy]

Ifor Boban is ready for minutes early and depending how the season is progressing I could see us trading Baynes, Smith, and our 2017 1st to Miami for Dragic. Dragic would be the perfect 3rd guard in our system - good shooter and can run an offense. Miami would get some salary relief and a prospect for their rebuild.

This could be the type of trade I could see Stan making to consolidate some talent.

[coordinator0]

I think Marjanovic is a unique player that will only play in certain situations. With that said he might be able to play in mostly the same role that Baynes does since the latter is no mobile wonder either. Aron is definitely the tougher and more physical player, but Boban's size and reach alone makes him somewhat of a factor around the rim and in the paint defensively. I don't know, it's kind of an odd situation. I will feel pretty confident with either of them out on the floor though.

[A_dub06]

I'm on my iPhone so I can't vote but Boban all day eryday. Bobans 28 in August and been playing professionally in Europe so while he's going into his 2nd season, it's more about getting accustomed to the NBA's speed as opposed to learning the game and refining his skills.

The ONLY thing Baynes is objectively better at is speed (he's an average athlete). Boban is a better rebounder, shot blocker, defender and in my opinion offensive player. Baynes has only played one season under us so I see no reason for him to get minutes based on loyalty. I'd expect Baynes to start only until Bobans comfortable with our system. At such time I think we should deal Baynes with Bullock and possibly 2nd rounders to try and improve the backup SG position.

For those that haven't looked at Bobans stats please find below comparisons for both players on a per game and 36 basis.

PER GAME

Baynes: 6.3ppg 4.7rpg .6apg .3spg .6bpg on 50%fg and 76%ft on 15.2mpg

Boban: 5.5ppg 3.6rpg .4apg .2spg .4bpg on 60%fg and 76%ft on 9.4mpg

PER 36

Baynes: 15ppg 11.2rpg 1.5apg .6spg and 1.5bpg

Boban: 21ppg 13.7rpg 1.5apg .9spg and 1.6bpg

The eye test also holds true when watching Boban as his size and length is something opposing bigs find difficult. Baynes turned it on after his slow start but I don't understand the appeal and I'm Australian which says something haha. I'm sick of seeing Baynes get dunked on and I dislike his defence against against the taller and longer bigs.


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[MrBigShot]

Boban is more talented, but Baynes doesn't have the same limitations so I expect that Baynes will see more play.

[A_dub06]

Boban is more talented, but Baynes doesn't have the same limitations so I expect that Baynes will see more play.

May I ask what limitations you refer to?

Baynes has better speed but is a very average athlete in his own right making the point virtually mute. If we played against a team with a speedy center or small ball Baynes wouldn't have the speed either. I'm not going to assume thats your only reason for saying Baynes has less limitations but I'm interested to hear you're response.


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[MrBigShot]

Boban is more talented, but Baynes doesn't have the same limitations so I expect that Baynes will see more play.

May I ask what limitations you refer to?

Baynes has better speed but is a very average athlete in his own right making the point virtually mute. If we played against a team with a speedy center or small ball Baynes wouldn't have the speed either. I'm not going to assume thats your only reason for saying Baynes has less limitations but I'm interested to hear you're response.


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Yep that's pretty much it. Not that Baynes is some speed demon but from my impression from what people very familiar with Boban have said it seems like he is more limited defensively against small line ups.

[BadMofoPimp]

Ifor Boban is ready for minutes early and depending how the season is progressing I could see us trading Baynes, Smith, and our 2017 1st to Miami for Dragic. Dragic would be the perfect 3rd guard in our system - good shooter and can run an offense. Miami would get some salary relief and a prospect for their rebuild.

This could be the type of trade I could see Stan making to consolidate some talent.

FYI. Miami has maxed out the number of players on their roster already. They would have to send out as many as they are getting back. I am sure Dragic intends to start wherever he is playing. If anyone trades for him, I bet it is a team like Utah.

[Rastas]

Baynes just finished abusing the Pac 12 Allstars in Australias 1st pre Olympic warmup.

Was a 28 / 9 monster out there basically !

[ElectricMayhem]

While Boban has tremendous per36 numbers, I'm worried what extended minutes would due to his body. It's rare for an athlete his size to not develop foot, knee, or back issues.

[BadMofoPimp]

I am thinking Pistons should keep both Baynes and Boban as insurance in case Dre gets injured. God forbid Dre sits out extended period of time and Boban would have to try and play 30mpg. I think Baynes would do better in extended minutes than Boban.

[need4detroit]

Neither can keep up with quick teams like the Cass. They exposed Baynes in the playoffs, which is why Lear us perfect at center in a small ball lineup.

[coordinator0]

I am thinking Pistons should keep both Baynes and Boban as insurance in case Dre gets injured. God forbid Dre sits out extended period of time and Boban would have to try and play 30mpg. I think Baynes would do better in extended minutes than Boban.

Boban wouldn't be playing 30 minutes. It would be some combination of him, Leuer, and possibly Ellenson. Not ideal, but neither is Drummond getting hurt. If a deal comes along for Baynes, individually or as part of a package, the Pistons should jump on it. Better to get some sort of value back rather than losing him for nothing when he opts out next summer. Especially when the Pistons already have a "true" backup center to replace him.

[BadMofoPimp]

I am thinking Pistons should keep both Baynes and Boban as insurance in case Dre gets injured. God forbid Dre sits out extended period of time and Boban would have to try and play 30mpg. I think Baynes would do better in extended minutes than Boban.

Boban wouldn't be playing 30 minutes. It would be some combination of him, Leuer, and possibly Ellenson. Not ideal, but neither is Drummond getting hurt. If a deal comes along for Baynes, individually or as part of a package, the Pistons should jump on it. Better to get some sort of value back rather than losing him for nothing when he opts out next summer. Especially when the Pistons already have a "true" backup center to replace him.

A Boban, Leuer, Ellenson Center tandem for an extended amount of games would spell disaster. At least Baynes would be a competent Center for 25-30mpg.

[coordinator0]

A Boban, Leuer, Ellenson Center tandem for an extended amount of games would spell disaster. At least Baynes would be a competent Center for 25-30mpg.

I don't think it would. There's a drastic difference between Marjanovic and Leuer, but that could work in Detroit's favor if they had to platoon them. Both are good players that a team should feel confident in when they're on the court. Defense is a big concern but it's not like Baynes provides a whole lot there either. Ellenson is likely fighting for scrap minutes regardless so he's not much a factor but will still play a little bit.

[BadMofoPimp]

A Boban, Leuer, Ellenson Center tandem for an extended amount of games would spell disaster. At least Baynes would be a competent Center for 25-30mpg.

I don't think it would. There's a drastic difference between Marjanovic and Leuer, but that could work in Detroit's favor if they had to platoon them. Both are good players that a team should feel confident in when they're on the court. Defense is a big concern but it's not like Baynes provides a whole lot there either. Ellenson is likely fighting for scrap minutes regardless so he's not much a factor but will still play a little bit.

I meant for extended minutes. Leuer is not a center and Bobans isn't built for 30mpg worst case scenario.

[coordinator0]

I meant for extended minutes. Leuer is not a center and Bobans isn't built for 30mpg worst case scenario.

Leuer can and will play the stretch five role when needed. Van Gundy even mentioned how their matchups with Love when Cleveland went small hurt them in the press conference for Smith and Leuer. More and more teams are starting to utilize that type of player and the Pistons need to be able to match up with to them. It was one of the reasons they brought him in, in addition to giving them a touch more size at power forward (and vastly improving upon Tolliver). I don't think Boban and Jon would be a huge liability rotation at center if Andre got hurt, but it looks like we're too far apart. Going to have to agree to disagree here.

[Moses ShamMoses]

I think we would be best served to trade Baynes for a competent vet that can play the 1/2 or 2/3 and re-sign a guy like Joel Anthony to be 3rd string center. I don't think Baynes and Boban can co-exist comfortably (not enough minutes to go around). I also don't want to stunt the growth of Boban by sitting him all season long. Dude needs to play to gain nba experience. Having said that, I do have some concerns about Boban's ability to play more than 20 minutes a game if Andre get hurt.