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Leur can play some center . We'll probably lose Bullock and baynes next summer. Let's trade them for a bench SG that can play a little SF. Who you guys got? Any ideas? Just bored sorry lol. I think it would be our best move. Bullock is OK but it would be nice to have a legit bench guy

Baynes and Bullock to NOP for Tyreke Evans. http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=z2vhnox
He's expiring, but he was also injured last season and only played 25 games, so no idea what they'd demand for him, or what kind of incentive we'd have to include. Doesn't help our shooting (only .288 for career). Makes us more versatile, as he's played anywhere from PG to SF, and will be 27 this season.

Jackson/Smith
Caldwell-Pope/Evans
Morris/Johnson
Harris/Leuer
Drummond/Marjanovic

That's very, very strong, even more flexible than before, but add another player to the list that needs to improve his shooting. He could just be a one year rental, at that.
I don't know what they're trying to do over there in New Orleans, though.

I could see the two packaged IF KCP doesn't extend by October as Stan Van Bowers will look to bring in a back-up two guard that could become a starters in a years time should KCP get a ridiculous offer come the off-season. That way we'd have this starter already in our system. I don't think it needs to be a 2/3 though, but a pure two-guard would work. Gary Harris could be available as Denver drafted Jamal Murray and Malik Beasley but they really don't have need for a center.

Would love Tyreke!

No need to get a guy who can play minutes at small forward. Detroit has enough of them even if you think Bullock won't be back. Harris, Johnson, Morris, and Hilliard (who has bulked up) is more than enough.

There won't be many, if any at all, quality shooting guards on the block. I mean just go through the list of guys that play that position in the NBA. That position is probably the shallowest talent pool in the league.

Ellis and Lamb supposedly are available, but they're not good. And Monta is a particularly bad fit for the Pistons anyways. Same goes for Lou Williams. Chuckers need not apply here. I kind of doubt New Orleans lets Evans go since he plays three positions for them. They're not going to let talent get away while trying to build around Davis. Terrence Ross could probably be had for that package but I'm not sure he's actually an upgrade over Bullock. Reggie is the better defender and is likely a comparable outside shooter if given the same volume.

Harris is the most intriguing guard that might be on the block since Denver just drafted Murray and Beasley, but there isn't a real clean trade between Detroit and Denver. The Pistons would probably have to send something like a 1st round pick and Bullock or Hilliard. Which would be fine, but at the same time I'm not sure the Pistons wouldn't just want to use that pick on a shooting guard of their own choosing (and also be on a rookie scale contract for longer) in the draft next summer. Acquiring Harris with the intent of him replacing Caldwell-Pope is really risky too because he hasn't shown to be anything more than a low-tier starter thus far.

If a trade is going to be made as a just in case measure, I don't want some middling or below average player at SG, I want a blockbuster. As it stands, in my critical honest opinion, this team is a 50+game winning team. How far they can advance I can't say yet until this season is well under way. (40+games).

The way I see it, if Pope is lost to money, a sign and trade is in order to ensure a smooth transition. If it's just for adding a bench piece, a backup SG is a must as Pope playing constantly is not ideal.

zeebneeb wrote:If a trade is going to be made as a just in case measure, I don't want some middling or below average player at SG, I want a blockbuster. As it stands, in my critical honest opinion, this team is a 50+game winning team. How far they can advance I can't say yet until this season is well under way. (40+games).

The way I see it, if Pope is lost to money, a sign and trade is in order to ensure a smooth transition. If it's just for adding a bench piece, a backup SG is a must as Pope playing constantly is not ideal.

Teams losing the restricted free agents in sign and trades don't get anything significant anymore. There's no incentive for the acquiring team to give up anything since the years and raises are limited to the standard free agent terms. Years (maximum of 4) and raises (4.5%) are the same as if a team is signing an unrestricted player. The only thing that might happen is the acquiring team shedding a contract, but in that scenario it's likely nothing Detroit would want.

Trade them both for a player on a rookie deal with at least two years remaining.

Han Solo wrote:Trade them both for a player on a rookie deal with at least two years remaining.

Michael Carter Williams on the Bucks
Nik Stauskas on the 76ers
Will Barton on the Nuggets
Ben McLemore on the Kings

I still think Rubio can be had.

That's pretty much it for young guards. Slim pickings.

coordinator0 wrote:No need to get a guy who can play minutes at small forward. Detroit has enough of them even if you think Bullock won't be back. Harris, Johnson, Morris, and Hilliard (who has bulked up) is more than enough.

There won't be many, if any at all, quality shooting guards on the block. I mean just go through the list of guys that play that position in the NBA. That position is probably the shallowest talent pool in the league.

Ellis and Lamb supposedly are available, but they're not good. And Monta is a particularly bad fit for the Pistons anyways. Same goes for Lou Williams. Chuckers need not apply here. I kind of doubt New Orleans lets Evans go since he plays three positions for them. They're not going to let talent get away while trying to build around Davis. Terrence Ross could probably be had for that package but I'm not sure he's actually an upgrade over Bullock. Reggie is the better defender and is likely a comparable outside shooter if given the same volume.

Harris is the most intriguing guard that might be on the block since Denver just drafted Murray and Beasley, but there isn't a real clean trade between Detroit and Denver. The Pistons would probably have to send something like a 1st round pick and Bullock or Hilliard. Which would be fine, but at the same time I'm not sure the Pistons wouldn't just want to use that pick on a shooting guard of their own choosing (and also be on a rookie scale contract for longer) in the draft next summer. Acquiring Harris with the intent of him replacing Caldwell-Pope is really risky too because he hasn't shown to be anything more than a low-tier starter thus far.

Davis is signed to a 5 year deal and i dont think the Pelicans are really trying to compete this year

Jrue - Hield/Evans - Pondexter - Davis/Ajinca isnt making the playoffs

Id shoot for an even bigger deal

Baynes + Bullock + Joel Anthony + 2017 1st Round Draft Pick (Top 5 protected)

for

Tyreke, Ajinca

Pelicans save 3M this year and get a 1st round draft pick for an expiring contract and a back up center

Pistons 2017 pick (unless Drummond gets injured) is going to be out of the lottery

Whoever the Pistons draft isnt going to be better than Ajinca and he is signed to a great deal (4.7M x three seasons)

That means we would be paying Boban + Ajinca a combined 11M to back up Drummond for the next 3 years

Tyreke is in a contract year and would really play well for us

Reggie / Ish
KCP / Tyreke - Hilliard
Tobias / Stanley
Mook / Leur
Drummond / Ajinca - Boban - Ellenson

i cant imagine bullock will demand a huge deal even if he gets consistent minutes. I say keep him and use him, Hilliard and gbenije as our back ups. KCP is about to get a huge deal so we may not be able to afford more high priced back ups

sfballa13 wrote:Davis is signed to a 5 year deal and i dont think the Pelicans are really trying to compete this year

Jrue - Hield/Evans - Pondexter - Davis/Ajinca isnt making the playoffs

Id shoot for an even bigger deal

Baynes + Bullock + Joel Anthony + 2017 1st Round Draft Pick (Top 5 protected)

for

Tyreke, Ajinca

Pelicans save 3M this year and get a 1st round draft pick for an expiring contract and a back up center

Pistons 2017 pick (unless Drummond gets injured) is going to be out of the lottery

Whoever the Pistons draft isnt going to be better than Ajinca and he is signed to a great deal (4.7M x three seasons)

That means we would be paying Boban + Ajinca a combined 11M to back up Drummond for the next 3 years

Tyreke is in a contract year and would really play well for us

Reggie / Ish
KCP / Tyreke - Hilliard
Tobias / Stanley
Mook / Leur
Drummond / Ajinca - Boban - Ellenson

No. Just, no. That deal is awful. Detroit has no need for Ajinca with Marjanovic signed. Absolutely none. Adding the first round pick for him to the other package is horrid, I can't stress that enough. He's not even good and doesn't bring anything to the table than Boban doesn't, and to a lesser degree. To be honest it blows my mind that it was even typed out.

Anthony was waived anyways.

For New Orleans their roster stacks up like this right now:

Holiday / Frazier / Douglas
Hield / Moore / Galloway
Hill / Evans / Pondexter
Davis / Cunningham / Diallo
Asik / Ajinca

You know, that's might not be completely awful barring their usual barrage of injuries. It's not a team that will compete for a playoff spot yet but they're going in the right direction. Something has to be done at center though. Asik has looked done for a while. But back to the point Evans still fits very well with that rotation. I don't think the potential upgrade in Baynes at center is nearly enough to pry him away from their rotation and there's no need for Bullock. They're not trying to tank with all the moves they've made this summer.

Gary Harris. <3 Would need another team though.

If by legit bench guy you mean another ball-dominant scorer who can't shoot, the last thing we need is to trade our only good off-ball shooter for another guy like that.

We can go over the cap to resign Bullock, and he can play both spots like you're asking, so I don't understand the point.

Plus he doesn't even have much value around the league yet as he's still unproven, so it would just be a salary add-in with Baynes, and at only 2m he's worth more to us.

The real deal to assess is KCP/Baynes, as he's the one that's going to be harder to resign and has more trade value. And if they deem him too expensive, Bullock could prove to be a cheaper/better fitting alternative.

trading for Gary Harris would almost complete the bench, we would be a legit 10 deep, and probably one of the most complete teams in basketball. i think bullock & baynes, along with a future first, not a 2017 gets it done.

dVs33 wrote:i cant imagine bullock will demand a huge deal even if he gets consistent minutes. I say keep him and use him, Hilliard and gbenije as our back ups. KCP is about to get a huge deal so we may not be able to afford more high priced back ups

That's the scary thing. People are getting paid big bucks for the shortest durations of production.
Crabbe went from 51->81 games, 13.4->26 mpg, 683->2105 total minutes...and got his 18.75 payday while still projecting to be a bench player.
Bazemore was only a full-time starter for one year and he's getting less than Crabbe!
Tyler Johnson gets his deal after only appearing in 36 games! After losing Wade it seems he has a chance to start, but 12.4 million is a lot for a guy that hasn't even proven he can be healthy.
Solomon Hill was a starter a year ago...but last year he only averaged 14.7 mpg in 59 games. That gets him 13 million a year, and I'm not even sure he's better than Bullock. It looks like he'll be a backup again.

The dearth of quality SGs in the league is the most real display of supply/demand I've ever seen, as they're getting overpaid with very, very, little evidence or history that they are actual contributors.

If KCP's minutes go down, or if he gets injured, or if his shooting stagnates, it's a very real possibility that Bullock could emerge as a mid-teens "worthy" player. After all, he just needs to double the minutes he played last year before he approaches Solomon Hill's total.

It all just grosses me out.

Houston could be a destination for Baynes. Bogut was given the option of being sent there or to Dallas. They don't have anything that stands out to me at all, but hey, there's always three way trades.

Those guys have marginal value at best. You aren't getting Tyreke or Harris for them.

Baynes to Cleveland
Cleveland First, Bullock and TPE(Cleveland has one) to Denver
Gary Harris to Detroit

Kilo wrote:Baynes to Cleveland
Cleveland First, Bullock and TPE(Cleveland has one) to Denver
Gary Harris to Detroit

We'd get the TPE from Cleveland. You can't trade the TPE like it's a player or pick, you take a player into the TPE space. Essentially that would be two separate deals - Baynes for Cleveland's pick (taken into the TPE) / Bullock + Cleveland's pick for Harris.


But I don't think Denver is ready to give up on Harris for a late pick and Bullock. Harris started every game for them last year, I know they drafted Murray, but I think he'll be looked at as a super 6th man / 3rd guard at first.