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KCP
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Covington, Stauskas, philly 2019 1st rounder (top 3 protected)

If we decide we don't want to pay KCP 20 mil plus. We would add two cheap deals, two more 3 point shooters, bring Johnson into the starting lineup and may get a lottery pick down the road.

Jackson/Smith/Gbinige
Johnson/Stauskas/Hilliard
Morris/Covington/Bullock
Harris/Leuer/Ellenson
Drummond/Baynes/Boban

I'm not a believer in SJ at the 2 for any kind of big minutes so no thanks.

I doubt Philly would trade a first for him, it's a huge possibility it will be in the lottery. Also like others said I don't like Stanley at the 2.

I'd do it. Stauskas was someone I was looking at-more along the lines of...would an Ellenson-Stauskas swap be beneficial after they've dealt one of Okafor/Noel/Embiid, but you catch my drift. I have more faith in Nik to recapture his shooting success/reputation from college than I do in KCP's, and Stanley seems to be heading in the direction.
It balances the roster, completely fills out the depth chart/roster, and gives us more pieces for that major consolidation trade down the road for a star SF or PF.

If you honestly think Johnson can play the 2, more accurately guard the 2, then I dont see a problem with it as Johnson is going to be a damn good defender.

I dont think he can. Just to damn big, and not fast enough, plus it would take away Pope guarding all the damn great PG's in this league leaving Jackson to do it. If Jackson has the load of offense taken off of him a little and can improve his defense even marginally this could work because of the huge mismatch it will create in Stanleys favor every night.

I'm torn.

Alexander wrote:I'd do it. Stauskas was someone I was looking at-more along the lines of...would an Ellenson-Stauskas swap be beneficial after they've dealt one of Okafor/Noel/Embiid, but you catch my drift. I have more faith in Nik to recapture his shooting success/reputation from college than I do in KCP's, and Stanley seems to be heading in the direction.

Stauskas has been terrible though. I'm not a fan of Ellenson but I wouldn't trade him for Nik. That's not even remotely close.

Neither is the deal in the OP. Covington is nice but wouldn't play for Detroit. What he brings to the table is less than Morris, Harris, and Leuer. Robert is on a good deal but would be the 4th forward at best. A 2019 first round pick is too far into the future to be worth anything right now. And like I said Stauskas is bad. He wouldn't even be an upgrade over Bullock or Hilliard.

Colangelo would probably be crying tears of joy throughout the trade call to the league office if Detroit offered this. The 76ers desperately need a shooting guard (in part because Stauskas is so bad) and they're not getting one in free agency. Not with how few good ones there are in the league and how many options those guys have once they hit the unrestricted market.

Nik Stauskas is terrible at least you know KCP can defend.

I'm not quite pardoning Stauskas for it, but he has played for the two most dysfunctional teams in the league the past two seasons. He has two seasons of tape on him, but I don't necessarily hold it against him. In my mind he's the same player he was coming out of college, just not put into situations where he can a) play to his strengths or b) really be coached up and develop...and now he's two years older. I wouldn't be surprised at all if Simmons' presence helps make Stauskas look more than palatable again, and I'm not ready to call him a lost cause at 22.

But I don't care enough to turn this into a Nik Stauskas debate or have my MCard come into question.

I wouldn't trade KCP for anything right now

im not feeling the trade here

It breaks down like this:

Stauskas may indeed look a lot better with the open looks he'll get playing with Simmons. But we don't have Simmons, so that makes no difference. Nik's big thing is that his defense is outright horrible. He lacks lateral quickness and can't stay in front of anyone. He's also weak and doesn't seem to be getting any bigger.

We couldn't possibly replace KCP with Nik defensively, as the downgrade would be so massive that it would buckle the entire defense. So, Nik would be a bench shooter at best. Covington is not an upgrade at the forward spots, so he's another bench shooter at best.

So, two bench shooters and a #1 pick that's 3 years away and could easily be back half (Philly will rise, to some degree, before then... the talent is accumulating there)? For KCP? No.

I'm a no. Stauskas blows. Covington can shoot. I like that a little. I think Philly could get in the 8-10 range this year in the draft especially if Embiid finally get's on the court. I'n 2019 they could be around 15 or so. I'm not into it

KCP for Jabari Parker....

Discuss

Pandev wrote:KCP for Jabari Parker....

Discuss

Bucks say hell no.

In 2 years Stauskas has shown nothing. Dysfunctional or not he's a negative on both ends of the floor. Horrendous defender, low shooting percentages and awful efficiency.

That first rounder is in 3 drafts from now. Between Embiid, Simmons, Saric, Noel, Okafor and whatever other assets they get in the next 2 years I am extremely doubtful it will be a valuable pick. Base case scenario its in the 10-14 range, worst case scenario Embiid stays healthy, Simmons becomes a star, Okafor & Saric develop well and the pick is in the 22-30 range. I think Colangelo is a garbage GM (worse than Hinkie) but they aren't going to stay a lotto team forever with all of that accumulated young talent. I like Covington, but he isn't incentive to do the deal.

No thanks. I do think Stanley can potentially play SG, but imo this trade makes us worse both in the short term and in the long term.

I think SJs best position is SG in a Wade/Kobe type role with a 3pt shooting role player at PG, allowing him to be the primary ball-handler and play mostly in the mid-range/post.

That won't happen here with Reggie unless one of them develops into a great 3pt shooter.

I'd do this deal to get their 1st pick though.

Todd3 wrote:I think SJs best position is SG in a Wade/Kobe type role with a 3pt shooting role player at PG, allowing him to be the primary ball-handler and play mostly in the mid-range/post.

That won't happen here with Reggie unless one of them develops into a great 3pt shooter.

I'd do this deal to get their 1st pick though.

Why? That's 3 drafts from now. For all you know it could be a very late 1st in a weak draft, Philly wont stay a lotto team forever with all of the young talent they have/will continue to accumulate. A lot can change in 3 years.

I don't have any issue w/ trading KCP, but I think people are approaching it wrong. If I'm trading KCP I'm doing it in a package deal to upgrade one of my wing positions, not downgrade immediately and downgrade long-term too.

MrBigShot wrote:

Todd3 wrote:I think SJs best position is SG in a Wade/Kobe type role with a 3pt shooting role player at PG, allowing him to be the primary ball-handler and play mostly in the mid-range/post.

That won't happen here with Reggie unless one of them develops into a great 3pt shooter.

I'd do this deal to get their 1st pick though.

Why? That's 3 drafts from now. For all you know it could be a very late 1st in a weak draft, Philly wont stay a lotto team forever with all of the young talent they have/will continue to accumulate. A lot can change in 3 years.

I don't have any issue w/ trading KCP, but I think people are approaching it wrong. If I'm trading KCP I'm doing it in a package deal to upgrade one of my wing positions, not downgrade immediately and downgrade long-term too.

That would be my preferred trade too. If we can't though, I'm just saying I'd prefer a future 1st vs the choice of a 20m/yr commitment or get nothing.

With Simmons in tow along with internal development, that team is no longer Hinkie's tankathon team, therefore, that pick would likely be out of the lottery and be in the 7 to 15 range depending on year and what draft class. Too many variables there to account for with a lousy pick.

Considering the fact that we're capped out regardless if KCP walks or we re-sign him, I think the option is becoming clear since KCP has all the leverage ala Tristan Thompson scenario. Unless for sure we can trade for a stud at the 3 or 4 and then put a role player on the 2, which is becoming more and more slim as the seasons pass.

But I can see why some have reservations of paying KCP and the possible long term contract situation. I just don't see it as the biggest issue IMO.

No faith in SJ playing the 2 with RJ since defensively we'd be giving up more than what they would produce. More or less with Bullock and Hilliard. They're just not those guys.

So I say no. Even though I like Covington, but he's not better than Tobias nor Morris.

On that trade board someone mentioned Detroit getting (the rights to) Korkmaz instead of the 2019 first round pick. I ended up being pretty high on Furkan by the end of the draft process so that makes more sense to me. He's staying in Europe for another season though so it doesn't do much for the Pistons in 2016-17.

Korkmaz, Covington, and McConnell for Caldwell-Pope and Brown is something I could live with in terms of value. Still a pretty big hit to the defense if you don't think Johnson can keep up with guys at shooting guard on a consistent basis (I don't). But Philadelphia also needs as much shooting as they can get so that deal probably doesn't interest them a whole lot.

Also, there is no excuse for Stauskas' play thus far. The 76ers were actually a really good situation for him in terms of opportunity and coaching. Brett Brown is good. Even without much talent around him that was a great chance to show off his various offensive skills. But Nik was awful for them last season. No other way to put it. He doesn't have much trade value.