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Sports Illustrated Top 100 Players *Updated*

Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2016 6:16 pm
by mattao313
http://www.si.com/nba/2016/09/12/nba-top-100-player-rankings

77. Tobias Harris, PF, Pistons

Spoiler:
Orlando’s decision to dump Tobias Harris, now 24, to Detroit for next to nothing in return last February remains one of the biggest head-scratchers of 2016. Harris (16.6 PPG, 6.2 RPG, 2.6 APG after the trade) is well on his way to becoming a quality stretch forward: he has a little pop to his individual offensive game without hijacking the show, he has the makings of a quality catch-and-shoot option to complement Reggie Jackson and Andre Drummond, and he should be able to get by on the boards as the NBA continues to downsize. Yes, Harris is probably destined to be a liability on the defensive end, even as he gets closer to his prime, but that’s not necessarily a death sentence for stretch players with his less-than-overwhelming build. Although he’s about to enter his sixth season, Harris still has some unscratched breakout potential: so much of his career was spent playing for teams going nowhere and for coaches that never established the offensive structure to put him in position for success. So far, Detroit has looked like a much better fit. (Last year: No. 78)

+ Detroit’s offensive efficiency improved from 105.5 to 108.9 upon his arrival (per NBAWowy.com)
+ Harris showed potential to be an excellent spot-up shooter with the Pistons
– Detroit’s defensive efficiency slipped from 104.6 to 108.6 upon his arrival (per NBAWowy.com)
– His tweener status bites him on both ends of pick-and-roll defense scenarios


54. Reggie Jackson, PG, Pistons

Spoiler:
No matter what he accomplishes, the focus usually centers on the things Reggie Jackson doesn’t do rather than the things he does. Unfortunately for Jackson (18.8 PPG, 6.2 RPG), there’s a lot of things he doesn’t do all that well: he’s not a big-time finisher, he’s not an all-around playmaking maestro, he’s not a true end-to-end threat in transition, he’s not a knockdown three-point shooter, he’s not the world’s greatest defender, his decision-making can be spotty, and he’s on an $80 million contract, which tends to make all of those problems feel even worse than they are. On top of that, Jackson is 26 and had free rein last year, so it’s hard to project significant further improvement across so many areas. In his defense, though, Jackson is a quality and comfortable pick-and-roll practitioner whose arrival in Detroit was critical to the team’s offensive improvement. While there might be reasonable doubts about his ceiling as a player and a team’s ceiling with him as the head of the snake, Jackson nevertheless oversaw a 44-win team that made the playoffs after a six-year drought. That should count for something, especially if he proves he can deliver that type of result on a consistent basis for the duration of his deal. (Last year: No. 94)

+ Ranked in the top-five league wide in drives and points off drives, per NBA.com
+ Led Detroit to its best record since 2008 and most efficient offense since 2011
– He’s not particularly imposing, or pesky, or productive defensively
– Although his team was swept by the Cavs in the 2016 playoffs, he complained endlessly about the refs


29. Andre Drummond, C, Pistons

Spoiler:
It didn’t take long for Andre Drummond to validate Detroit’s decision to roll with him as the franchise center and move on from Greg Monroe. In his first year playing in a spread offensive system, the 23-year-old Drummond (16.2 PPG, 14.8 RPG, 1.4 BPG) put his elite size and strength to full use, posting career-highs in scoring and rebounding while helping Detroit post its best offensive efficiency ranking since 2008. Although he’s still an unpolished, inconsistent scoring option on the block and a major liability when hacked, Drummond compensates for those weaknesses by wearing down his opponents, pounding the offensive glass and finishing with authority when he gets a clean window in pick-and-roll situations. He hasn’t yet reached “Young Dwight Howard” levels when it comes to offensive impact (and he probably won’t ever get there), but Drummond has made steady progress since he entered the NBA as a teenager. This season marked Drummond’s third straight playing 80+ games, and that reliability, coupled with good health from his fellow starters, played a big role in Detroit’s defensive improvement. After years of below-average and disorganized defenses, the Pistons have been much better under Stan Van Gundy, with Drummond deserving credit for holding down the boards and covering up for some fairly weak-defending power forwards alongside of him. By the time Detroit got around to inking Drummond to a $130 million rookie contract extension this summer, the deal was hardly news. There just wasn’t anything to debate or discuss: He earned it. (Last year: No. 35)

+ A first-time All-Star and All-NBA selection last year, he led the NBA in rebounds, ranked in the top 30 in PER, Win Shares, and Real Plus Minus, and tallied a league-best 66 double-doubles (12 more than anyone else)
+ The best age-22 comparison point for his 2015-16 production (16.2/14.8/1.4, 7.4 Win Shares) is Hall of Famer Moses Malone (19.4/15/1.3, 6.1 WS)
– His ghastly 35.5% free-throw shooting last season was the lowest mark all-time among players with at least 500 attempts
– Although he’s one of the NBA’s most prolific dunkers, he has significant room to improve as a finisher around the basket, ranking in the 27% percentile in post-up scoring per Synergy Sports

Re: Sports Illustrated Top 100 Players

Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2016 6:35 pm
by tmorgan
The ranking is fine, but the text is a little rough on Reggie. His defense is indeed pretty awful (how can you be that freaking long and not use it well at all?), but he's elite or near elite in getting his shot on the P&R, and no one can stay in front of him with his spidery, herky-jerky moves.

I don't know if he's the PG on our next real contender, but if we're going to contend in the next three years, he's probably going to have to be. I hope Stan can continue to work with him to be an acceptable defender, and I hope he continues to improve at finding Andre on the P&R and finding our shooters when they're left open as a result.

Good, but not great, player.

(I assume this is a countdown of sorts that isn't finished yet, because Andre better show up in the top 40, at least).

Re: Sports Illustrated Top 100 Players

Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2016 6:40 pm
by mattao313
tmorgan wrote:(I assume this is a countdown of sorts that isn't finished yet, because Andre better show up in the top 40, at least).

Yeah he is top 30 since its at 31 right now.

Re: Sports Illustrated Top 100 Players

Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2016 6:41 pm
by tmorgan
Looks like they're up to 31 so far, and no Andre yet. He was 35 last year and 37 the year before. New heights!

Re: Sports Illustrated Top 100 Players

Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2016 7:56 pm
by DBC10
I think those rankings are pretty accurate. Also seems to confirm what some and I have said about RJ as well. He's a solid to great starter, but he's no star. Even on a contender, I think he'd only be the 2nd or 3rd option at his very best. He gets to the rim...and that's about it if you really examine his game. He has passing potential going forward but he's way too cautious with the ball and doesn't like kicking it out when that's the best pass available. Case in point, he's one of the worst transition PGs among all who have had his usage rate.

And Harris seems ranked solidly as well. He provides a lot of versatility that we haven't had in a while as a franchise, in a lot of ways, he's what we wished Josh Smith was on the offensive end. Cut, drive, and catch & shoot minus the chucking.

Re: Sports Illustrated Top 100 Players

Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2016 9:07 pm
by dVs33
How is reggies write up so much worse than Harris but he's 23 spots ahead of him? Haha they really don't seem to like him despite the ranking.

Re: Sports Illustrated Top 100 Players

Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2016 9:07 pm
by In SVG We Trust
Reggie's clutch ability deserved a mention

Re: Sports Illustrated Top 100 Players

Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2016 5:37 am
by Pharaoh
Bit bizarre that RJ is ranked where he is but the analysis is so negative

Re: Sports Illustrated Top 100 Players

Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2016 7:28 am
by joedumars1
Pharaoh wrote:Bit bizarre that RJ is ranked where he is but the analysis is so negative

Yeah. I discredited it at like the first two lines or something. I'm thinking he might have had a fling ith the writers wife or GF.... maybe mom or sister, maybe mom and sister together. Who knows tho, lol. That was some negative **** tho

Re: Sports Illustrated Top 100 Players

Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2016 7:24 pm
by bballnmike
No matter what he accomplishes, the focus usually centers on the things Reggie Jackson doesn’t do rather than the things he does.


me: ok they've set this up nicely to contradict that trend, let's see what he does well and why he's ranked here

Unfortunately for Jackson (18.8 PPG, 6.2 RPG), there’s a lot of things he doesn’t do all that well: [bashes reggie for a whole paragraph]

**But he's pretty good at pick and roll and the team won 44 games, so that's ok **


:crazy:

Re: Sports Illustrated Top 100 Players

Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2016 10:03 pm
by tmorgan
Andre at #29. Mostly nice things to say, too.

Re: Sports Illustrated Top 100 Players

Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2016 10:37 pm
by Laimbeer
So...that's it for us? 77, 54, and 29?

Re: Sports Illustrated Top 100 Players

Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2016 10:57 pm
by mattao313
Laimbeer wrote:So...that's it for us? 77, 54, and 29?

I guess...it's odd, If guys like JR Smith, Mason Plumlee, Cody Zeller, Aaron Gordon made it Marcus Morris should have.

Re: Sports Illustrated Top 100 Players *Updated*

Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2016 12:49 am
by Todd3
At first 29 seemed fair, figuring 28-1 would be a bunch of more proven veteran stars, but then they put Favors, Hayward, and Conley 27/26/25. They're not better or more proven than Drummond, and Millsap is not the 15th best player in the NBA lol.

Odd list. Lowry better than Irving? smh

Re: Sports Illustrated Top 100 Players

Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2016 12:50 am
by Todd3
Laimbeer wrote:So...that's it for us? 77, 54, and 29?


They haven't gotten to KCP yet :lol:

Re: Sports Illustrated Top 100 Players *Updated*

Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2016 2:41 am
by tmorgan
Todd3 wrote:At first 29 seemed fair, figuring 28-1 would be a bunch of more proven veteran stars, but then they put Favors, Hayward, and Conley 27/26/25. They're not better or more proven than Drummond, and Millsap is not the 15th best player in the NBA lol.

Odd list. Lowry better than Irving? smh


I'm with you on Favors, Hayward, Conley... Dre could be above them. Arguable, at least.

But yeah, Lowry IS better than Irving. Don't let one shot (or, to be fair, one playoff season) cloud the issue. Lowry plays defense, Irving doesn't. Lowry is a competent passer, Irving often isn't. Irving is an electric iso player with an unreal handle and an ability to take and make tough shots, but he's still basically an undersized 2 that couldn't run an offense himself. He's a product of LeBron doing a large portion of the point guard position's job.

Re: Sports Illustrated Top 100 Players *Updated*

Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2016 4:30 am
by Todd3
tmorgan wrote:
Todd3 wrote:At first 29 seemed fair, figuring 28-1 would be a bunch of more proven veteran stars, but then they put Favors, Hayward, and Conley 27/26/25. They're not better or more proven than Drummond, and Millsap is not the 15th best player in the NBA lol.

Odd list. Lowry better than Irving? smh


I'm with you on Favors, Hayward, Conley... Dre could be above them. Arguable, at least.

But yeah, Lowry IS better than Irving. Don't let one shot (or, to be fair, one playoff season) cloud the issue. Lowry plays defense, Irving doesn't. Lowry is a competent passer, Irving often isn't. Irving is an electric iso player with an unreal handle and an ability to take and make tough shots, but he's still basically an undersized 2 that couldn't run an offense himself. He's a product of LeBron doing a large portion of the point guard position's job.


eh, they're both undersized iso 2s. Irving is just a lot better at it.

Not sure why you think he doesn't defend, as he played very good defense in the playoffs.

Re: Sports Illustrated Top 100 Players *Updated*

Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2016 6:35 am
by tmorgan
Todd3 wrote:
eh, they're both undersized iso 2s. Irving is just a lot better at it.

Not sure why you think he doesn't defend, as he played very good defense in the playoffs.


Lowry is not an undersized 2.

Kyrie certainly *can* defend, but he doesn't do it very often. His defensive metrics are putrid and always have been.

Re: Sports Illustrated Top 100 Players *Updated*

Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2016 10:29 am
by sc8581
Hot garbage

Re: Sports Illustrated Top 100 Players *Updated*

Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2016 2:04 pm
by zeebneeb
As with any list, take it with a grain of salt.

Lists, such as this one are simple to breakdown.

1.)How many GM's, given the option would take a certain player over another and not be worried about getting fired?

That's it. No GM in the league would take a number of the players listed, above Andre. I am 100% certain of this.

They would be fired. Out if a cannon. Into the sun.

It's a simple metric.