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stanley
Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2016 5:32 pm
by davidvolumes
In the past we have tried to find past nba players who we thought stanleys game reminded us of. Lebron, ron artest and leonard from spurs were names tossed
around. After watching stanley for one season and trying to follow his off season progress the person he most reminds me of is joe dumars. Joe had good size for his position and easily took advantage of smaller players guarding him. With his improved ball handling, shot selection and shooting (all of which I fully expect) and a nba fully developed body stanley becomes a nightmare matchup at shooting guard. What do u think?
Re: stanley
Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2016 6:37 pm
by joedumars1
I think he is a SF.
Re: stanley
Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2016 6:54 pm
by DocRI
davidvolumes wrote:In the past we have tried to find past nba players who we thought stanleys game reminded us of. Lebron, ron artest and leonard from spurs were names tossed
around. After watching stanley for one season and trying to follow his off season progress the person he most reminds me of is joe dumars. Joe had good size for his position and easily took advantage of smaller players guarding him. With his improved ball handling, shot selection and shooting (all of which I fully expect) and a nba fully developed body stanley becomes a nightmare matchup at shooting guard. What do u think?
^ Joe was 6'3" and actually undersized for a SG; he was just strong as an ox and such a determined, tenacious defender that he made up for it. It was when he shifted down to PG (when Isiah was on the bench and then later in his career after Isiah had retired) that he really had a size advantage at his position.
But here's my waffling answer to your question — I think the Pistons have created a lineup full of so many versatile, mix-n'-match options at the wing positions that they'll be able to create match ups to exploit pretty easily. Many times that'll be Stanley abusing SGs on the offensive end, but I think his primary position (especially defensively) is gonna be SF.
Re: stanley
Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2016 7:10 pm
by Cowology
Paul Pierce. Not saying he will be that good, but he's got that pittbull mentality and plays a similar style of game.
Re: stanley
Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2016 8:16 pm
by Alexander
I don't get the Paul Pierce comparison. At all. I see a lot of Ron Artest, though.
Re: stanley
Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2016 9:25 pm
by ImHeisenberg
Alexander wrote:I don't get the Paul Pierce comparison. At all. I see a lot of Ron Artest, though.
I think he made the comparison in terms of their mentality toward the game. Never believe they take a bad shot, won't shy from the moment, loves taking big shots.
That general kind of attitude. I don't think he was making from a physical or necessarily a talent stand point.
Johnson is too young to really have too many definable skills. He's a willing defender, but was a rookie, so you can't really say he was a good defender. The learning curve is too high for a rookie wing to excel there. His can handle the ball a little, but he wasn't good enough to really be viewed as a point forward. His shooting was trash most nights.
All of these can get better or worse as time goes on. His skills set 3 years from now may be drastically different than what we saw last year. So, I think Cowology made an apt comparison built on his mentality, as that is something definable that is not likely to change over the course of his career.
Re: stanley
Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2016 12:26 am
by Blkbrd671
Alexander wrote:I don't get the Paul Pierce comparison. At all. I see a lot of Ron Artest, though.
I see Ron Artest in the half Court, i see bron bron -like in the open court. Too big to slow down and vision to make you pay for over committing
Re: stanley
Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2016 2:42 am
by tmorgan
Blkbrd671 wrote:Alexander wrote:I don't get the Paul Pierce comparison. At all. I see a lot of Ron Artest, though.
I see Ron Artest in the half Court, i see bron bron -like in the open court. Too big to slow down and vision to make you pay for over committing
I feel this... but if Stanimal had a decent portion of Bron's hops, I'd feel a lot better about it. Dude just doesn't finish that well.
Re: stanley
Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2016 4:07 am
by Blkbrd671
tmorgan wrote:Blkbrd671 wrote:Alexander wrote:I don't get the Paul Pierce comparison. At all. I see a lot of Ron Artest, though.
I see Ron Artest in the half Court, i see bron bron -like in the open court. Too big to slow down and vision to make you pay for over committing
I feel this... but if Stanimal had a decent portion of Bron's hops, I'd feel a lot better about it. Dude just doesn't finish that well.
seems more mental than physical. Also you can divert SJ, you can only hope to divert Bron
Re: stanley
Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2016 4:39 am
by Spider156
Believe it or not Stanley's game is actually slow with the exception of full court transition for good reason. Stanley's half court game is going to exceed every person's expectations once he develops his ball handling and offensive awareness. That awareness is ALREADY there! I saw it and kept seeing it specially in the Playoffs. How do I know? Have you seen some of the young man's passes? Not many players find those passes, his problem is he was a rookie and the game is fast so the pass is that much harder to execute so they're jumping out of bounds or turning over. Now a year under his belt the game is a hell of a ton slower specially when you've got Drummond on your team who maximizes everybody else's efficiency on the court. Sadly, we will not know Stanley's potential until Morris walks out after getting his big paycheck after his contract is up or he wins the starting position (Morris is too solid). That's when Stanley becomes the Hedo Turkuglu of the Pistons. The only other way is if either KCP or Harris are packaged for a better starting player, likely a young Star like Derrick Favors.
Re: stanley
Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2016 4:42 am
by Spider156
I'd say Stanley is more like Paul Pierce without the shot. Pierce's money shot was butter.
Re: stanley
Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2016 5:30 am
by Blkbrd671
Spider156 wrote:I'd say Stanley is more like Paul Pierce without the shot. Pierce's money shot was butter.
Re: stanley
Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2016 6:44 am
by joedumars1
Spider156 wrote:Believe it or not Stanley's game is actually slow with the exception of full court transition for good reason. Stanley's half court game is going to exceed every person's expectations once he develops his ball handling and offensive awareness. That awareness is ALREADY there! I saw it and kept seeing it specially in the Playoffs. How do I know? Have you seen some of the young man's passes? Not many players find those passes, his problem is he was a rookie and the game is fast so the pass is that much harder to execute so they're jumping out of bounds or turning over. Now a year under his belt the game is a hell of a ton slower specially when you've got Drummond on your team who maximizes everybody else's efficiency on the court. Sadly, we will not know Stanley's potential until Morris walks out after getting his big paycheck after his contract is up or he wins the starting position (Morris is too solid). That's when Stanley becomes the Hedo Turkuglu of the Pistons. The only other way is if either KCP or Harris are packaged for a better starting player, likely a young Star like Derrick Favors.
I have very high expectations for this kid. Think he can be one of the top point forwards in the league in 2-3 years (be difficult to get ahead of KD, Bron, and PG13). If he hits his full potential with everything I can see 17-20ppg, 6 boards, 6 assist, and 2 steals he has that kinda star potential in my eyes. I see no reason for him not to hit it either.
Re: stanley
Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2016 10:22 pm
by DBC10
Blkbrd671 wrote:tmorgan wrote:Blkbrd671 wrote:
I see Ron Artest in the half Court, i see bron bron -like in the open court. Too big to slow down and vision to make you pay for over committing
I feel this... but if Stanimal had a decent portion of Bron's hops, I'd feel a lot better about it. Dude just doesn't finish that well.
seems more mental than physical. Also you can divert SJ, you can only hope to divert Bron
I think it's more physical. He doesn't have the best coordination IMO since he's so bulky and he doesn't have an elite wingspan like Lebron or Kawhi does that allows them to finish over people in a finesse style.
All I see whenever SJ runs down the fast break is just a angry bear while Lebron is more like grizzled stallion. I actually cringed whenever he ran the fastbreak since I expected an offensive foul or a miss.
Re: stanley
Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2016 11:47 pm
by Blkbrd671
DBC10 wrote:Blkbrd671 wrote:tmorgan wrote:
I feel this... but if Stanimal had a decent portion of Bron's hops, I'd feel a lot better about it. Dude just doesn't finish that well.
seems more mental than physical. Also you can divert SJ, you can only hope to divert Bron
I think it's more physical. He doesn't have the best coordination IMO since he's so bulky and he doesn't have an elite wingspan like Lebron or Kawhi does that allows them to finish over people in a finesse style.
All I see whenever SJ runs down the fast break is just a angry bear while Lebron is more like grizzled stallion. I actually cringed whenever he ran the fastbreak since I expected an offensive foul or a miss.
i just don't think he's as explosive in terms of quickly leaping like those other 2 . And i think in terms of coordination, its much like KCP. His handles were very loose and slowly tighten'd up. He clearly can handle the ball. Also Bron bron got called for a to of offensive fouls during his rookie contract. Its something everyone adjust too.
Re: stanley
Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2016 1:37 pm
by BadMofoPimp
Stanleys Ceiling is more aligned with Paul Pierce as neither was that explosive, but solid defenders who were smart players and tenacious when young.
Re: stanley
Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2016 1:44 pm
by Kilo
His absolute ceiling is Metta World Pierce - Below the basket guile game of Pierce with tenacity and bullying aspect of Artest`s game.
Re: stanley
Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2016 5:01 pm
by Alexander
I've always hated Paul Pierce and this thread just makes me angry. Jabari Parker reminds me of Paul Pierce in terms of play style and body type. Stanley and Parker don't resemble each other. I want Stanley to be a sane version of Ron Artest. He doesn't have to be a hall of famer, he just needs to be a third option with first tier defense.
Re: stanley
Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2016 8:11 pm
by davidvolumes
I envision stanley as a shooting guard that could aveage 14 to 17 points a game on 45 to 47 fg% and 40% from 3 pt line. His size and strenght gives him a natural advantage as a shooting guard. As a guard he is ideal for go to situations. I believe with his reworked jumper will be very pleased how well he shoots.
Re: stanley
Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2016 10:26 pm
by zeebneeb
davidvolumes wrote:I envision stanley as a shooting guard that could aveage 14 to 17 points a game on 45 to 47 fg% and 40% from 3 pt line. His size and strenght gives him a natural advantage as a shooting guard. As a guard he is ideal for go to situations. I believe with his reworked jumper will be very pleased how well he shoots.
I don't understand this Stanley SG thing. He's just to damn big to play that position, and can in no way defend it full time.
I understand he would absolutely crush opposing SG's, but how does he defend that position on a nightly basis? So many fast SG's would burn him repeatedly.
Hell, I don't know.