Boogie time...

Post #1 » by **theBigLip** » Thu Oct 27, 2016 8:42 pm

I'm sure we hashed through this a million times this summer, but I wonder how a discussion of Drummond-Cousins would go between the respective GMs. So the Kings need a fresh start and they know they are going to lose Cousins in two years, so he will get traded. And the Pistons have a great young center, although he has some offensive challenges. I was thinking Detroit would have to be interested if they could do something like this:

Cousins for Drummond + Pistons get right to swap first rounders next summer and 2019.

I know it sounds like a lot, but Sacramento gets to move on, and we get a huge offensive boost.

I'm now ducking for cover...

mattao313 · Post #2 » by **mattao313** » Thu Oct 27, 2016 8:47 pm

Reggie Jackson, Andre Drummond, 1st(s), Ellenson for Anthony Davis, Asik

DBC10 · Post #3 » by **DBC10** » Thu Oct 27, 2016 9:15 pm

mattao313 wrote:Reggie Jackson, Andre Drummond, 1st(s), Ellenson for Anthony Davis, Asik

We would have to put in SJ too I think. They would want a mini rebuild/retool.

But I'd do anything for the Brow. Kind of the same for Boogie too since there's literally no centers that is that offensively talented right now.

SVG would turn Boogie into a near 30 pt and 10+ guy with the spacing and pace.

Also, BL, you're not wrong in at least pinging interest for Boogie or even Ant Davis like mattao mentinoed. I doubt Ant would get moved but he could also force his way out since he literally has zero help.

Spider156 · Post #4 » by **Spider156** » Thu Oct 27, 2016 9:21 pm

Can we get Cousins without giving up Drummond? Not like Kings are going to get him to resign there anyway. I'd give up a lot for Cousins!

DCintheD · Post #5 » by **DCintheD** » Thu Oct 27, 2016 9:56 pm

Love the idea of Drummond for Cousins. It makes too much sense. However, there is always the risk of losing him.

mattao313 · Post #6 » by **mattao313** » Thu Oct 27, 2016 10:05 pm

DCintheD wrote:Love the idea of Drummond for Cousins. It makes too much sense. However, there is always the risk of losing him.

I don't know if it make a ton of sense can Reggie and Cousin coexists? Do their games even mesh? Reggie is a pnr guard Cousins isn't really a pnr or pnp kinda player.

Manocad · Post #7 » by **Manocad** » Thu Oct 27, 2016 11:42 pm

I'll tell you how it will go.

Detroit: Can we get Cousins?
Sacramento: Sure. Give us every single player you have of any value plus your first round draft picks for the next two years.
Detroit: No thanks.

Blkbrd671 · Post #8 » by **Blkbrd671** » Fri Oct 28, 2016 1:03 am

theBigLip wrote:I'm sure we hashed through this a million times this summer, but I wonder how a discussion of Drummond-Cousins would go between the respective GMs. So the Kings need a fresh start and they know they are going to lose Cousins in two years, so he will get traded. And the Pistons have a great young center, although he has some offensive challenges. I was thinking Detroit would have to be interested if they could do something like this:

Cousins for Drummond + Pistons get right to swap first rounders next summer and 2019.

I know it sounds like a lot, but Sacramento gets to move on, and we get a huge offensive boost.

I'm now ducking for cover...

It would probably take

SJ+DRE for Cousins+BMcl

and honestly i would do it for 2 years of championship bball.

i just think Cousins on the Piston's will never happen because of DC's reputation with coaches. SVG isn't trading away Dre , who is buying into what SVG is selling, for a player who is head case and has gotten Karl fired.

This is purely fan perception and Kings organizational culture is a cluster f* and SVG may take that into account. Its just hard for me to see SVG giving up assets, which we'll have to do, for a player that would probably remind him of dwight.

Post #9 » by **Cowology** » Fri Oct 28, 2016 1:25 am

I don't object to a lil crazy. Sheed was a "headcase" as have been a number of highly emotional and competitive players. It's about having the orginizational structure in place to minimize and withstand the distractions. I'm not 100% certain we are in such a place, but we're a hell of a lot better off than Sacramento.

But would I actually trade Dre for Cousins?? I honestly don't know. I still think Dre has a higher ceiling just based on physical tools, but I'm becoming more and more concerned with his mental approach to the game. It's like we're all still waiting for him to realize just how good he is and to start punishing defenders around the rim the way he should be. But does he have that fire? Is he competitive enough to demand the ball? To spend long hours in the gym working on his game? Can he get over his own mental hurdles and not take himself outa games?

It might be the wrong call... but I think I make that trade, if for no other reason than if we're gonna go down I wanna go down swinging. Cousins is a fighter. Also, he's pretty good at basketball.

russkopp · Post #10 » by **russkopp** » Fri Oct 28, 2016 1:50 am

I'll basically trade Drummond for anyone of "close" value because if that player tries every night and has a good BBIQ, it'll be an upgrade.

Blkbrd671 · Post #11 » by **Blkbrd671** » Fri Oct 28, 2016 2:49 am

Cowology wrote:I don't object to a lil crazy. Sheed was a "headcase" as have been a number of highly emotional and competitive players. It's about having the orginizational structure in place to minimize and withstand the distractions. I'm not 100% certain we are in such a place, but we're a hell of a lot better off than Sacramento.

But would I actually trade Dre for Cousins?? I honestly don't know. I still think Dre has a higher ceiling just based on physical tools, but I'm becoming more and more concerned with his mental approach to the game. It's like we're all still waiting for him to realize just how good he is and to start punishing defenders around the rim the way he should be. But does he have that fire? Is he competitive enough to demand the ball? To spend long hours in the gym working on his game? Can he get over his own mental hurdles and not take himself outa games?

It might be the wrong call... but I think I make that trade, if for no other reason than if we're gonna go down I wanna go down swinging. Cousins is a fighter. Also, he's pretty good at basketball.

I have maintained that stance as well, except it seems by the time Dre figures out how to utilize his physical tools, he'll be on par with Cousins, who is more skilled and probably will have a longer career. Also his defensive awareness i believe is almost dead last for centers, right above mcgee. He's got no idea how to cut off passing lanes, how to defend with his hands up and contesting or blocking shots.

The mental aspect of it is also concerning, i really think it has a lot to do with his age and as he matures , locking in will be more consistent.

Neptune · Post #12 » by **Neptune** » Fri Oct 28, 2016 5:34 am

Based off of Dumars and Cousins relationship in the past, we could have had a great chance of getting Cousins in a Piston uniform. Now with SVG running the show, man nobody's relevant coming here with the championship expectations.

MotownMadness · Post #13 » by **MotownMadness** » Fri Oct 28, 2016 6:29 am

Neptune wrote:Based off of Dumars and Cousins relationship in the past, we could have had a great chance of getting Cousins in a Piston uniform. Now with SVG running the show, man nobody's relevant coming here with the championship expectations.

What relationship did Dumars and Cousins have?

El Chivo · Post #14 » by **El Chivo** » Fri Oct 28, 2016 11:17 am

russkopp wrote:I'll basically trade Drummond for anyone of "close" value because if that player tries every night and has a good BBIQ, it'll be an upgrade.

this.

zeebneeb · Post #15 » by **zeebneeb** » Fri Oct 28, 2016 1:02 pm

*sigh*

0-1, trade threads.

Post #16 » by **theBigLip** » Fri Oct 28, 2016 2:37 pm

zeebneeb wrote:*sigh*

0-1, trade threads.

Of course. We haven't won a game all year!!! Time to change everything!!! Totally guilty - I started the thread :-)

Actually, I just watched the Sacramento Team Preview on NBATV. DeMarcus is good. Really good. That's what started me thinking...

ImHeisenberg · Post #17 » by **ImHeisenberg** » Fri Oct 28, 2016 2:58 pm

I'm not entirely sure what Cousins' status is with the front office in Sacramento. I'm sure they've convinced themselves that their new coach will get him to turn the corner, at least until mid-season when rumors of him getting fired start flying around.

I would be in favor of a Drummond/Cousins swap. I wouldn't give them any picks, but I'd give them any other player they want on this roster as well. I love the Pistons, and this team is full of likable players. But, nobody looks like a lock that needs to be here to push us to a championship level.

Pharaoh · Post #18 » by **Pharaoh** » Fri Oct 28, 2016 3:41 pm

I wouldn't give them Drummond.

I'd go Baynes, Mook, Ish, KCP & SJ + whatever picks they want

They become:

A billion bigs
Gay
Mook & SJ
KCP & Mac
Collison, Lawson, Ish

Trade Gay for whatever you can get and TANK!

Worked for Philly!

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flow · Post #19 » by **flow** » Fri Oct 28, 2016 3:55 pm

For what it's worth, Cousins loves Joerger and the new system. So I don't know how anxious they'd be to move him at this point, or how anxious Boogie is to leave anymore. Joerger funnels his offense through talented bigs who can score in the post and on the block, ala Randolph, Gasol, Cousins. Losing Cousins and gaining Drummond would do him no good.

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hoophabit · Post #20 » by **hoophabit** » Fri Oct 28, 2016 4:55 pm

IMO, Boogie for Dre isn't likely to happen. Cousins, although overly emotional, is highly productive. He scores, rebounds, and hits his FTs. Pretty much an all around big.

Dre is a lovable goof who seems to have an attention deficit. His athletic gifts are remarkable, but he still can't consistently put his feet in the same place when setting up for a FT. His mind clearly wanders on defense. Reportedly, he is highly intelligent, so this seems the simplest explanation for these issues. He wouldn't be my first choice of a big with which to build a championship franchise. I like the young man and his getting his act together is the best thing for him and the Pistons, so go Andre! Prove me wrong.