This team is boring, no heart

Han Solo · Post #1 » by **Han Solo** » Sat Nov 19, 2016 2:06 am

Not an overreaction, if you disagree with me, feel free to defend your reason why. Reggie can't save a team that lacks effort and heart..

JD43320 · Post #2 » by **JD43320** » Sat Nov 19, 2016 2:09 am

With Reggie out we don't have a single playmaker. Our all star center has an ankle injury and is a mental midget. We don't have a single reliable shooter. It's not a recipe for success.

bjones521 · Post #3 » by **bjones521** » Sat Nov 19, 2016 2:18 am

Great article about Drummond and you notice it game to game. Dude is starting to be a dog on defense

http://basketball.realgm.com/analysis/244027/Numbers-Game-On-The-Blazers-Offense-Pistons-Rebounding

Han Solo · Post #4 » by **Han Solo** » Sat Nov 19, 2016 2:23 am

bjones521 wrote:Great article about Drummond and you notice it game to game. Dude is starting to be a dog on defense

http://basketball.realgm.com/analysis/244027/Numbers-Game-On-The-Blazers-Offense-Pistons-Rebounding

yikes..

JD43320 · Post #5 » by **JD43320** » Sat Nov 19, 2016 2:25 am

If Dre isn't catching lobs he doesn't try. Maybe a savvy player can get by with minimal effort but when you are as dumb as a box of rocks you drag everyone down.

russkopp · Post #6 » by **russkopp** » Sat Nov 19, 2016 2:27 am

That article is something I've felt about him, as witnessed in every game thread, for a long time. Dre is a fraud, mainly due to what's between the ears.

We can offer Sacto a better package than any other team in the league. (Because the bigs better than Dre aren't getting traded)

DBC10 · Post #7 » by **DBC10** » Sat Nov 19, 2016 2:27 am

bjones521 wrote:Great article about Drummond and you notice it game to game. Dude is starting to be a dog on defense

http://basketball.realgm.com/analysis/244027/Numbers-Game-On-The-Blazers-Offense-Pistons-Rebounding

Wow that's pretty disgusting.

Thank god for actual statistical analysis and with context too.

Laimbeer · Post #8 » by **Laimbeer** » Sat Nov 19, 2016 2:41 am

As always, it depends on the return but I wouldn't necessarily be shocked or upset if we moved him.

7r5ur · Post #9 » by **7r5ur** » Sat Nov 19, 2016 2:47 am

bjones521 wrote:Great article about Drummond and you notice it game to game. Dude is starting to be a dog on defense

http://basketball.realgm.com/analysis/244027/Numbers-Game-On-The-Blazers-Offense-Pistons-Rebounding

While Dre has plenty of things to work on and I won't dismiss the article entirely, On/Off numbers are extremely shaky to judge a player on. For one, Andre's backup is one of the best in the league, which will automatically skew things a bit. Then there's the whole playing against starters vs. playing against the bench thing...

MrBigShot · Post #10 » by **MrBigShot** » Sat Nov 19, 2016 2:57 am

This board is a bit too gloomy during losses. You'd think we got blown out by the Sixers, not the defending champs. I think we'll be ok, we just need Reggie to get back.

PistonsSince85 · Post #11 » by **PistonsSince85** » Sat Nov 19, 2016 3:01 am

trade his ass

ElectricMayhem · Post #12 » by **ElectricMayhem** » Sat Nov 19, 2016 3:09 am

I can give y'all some rope but I'm not to good at tying knots, so you'll have to make your own nooses. Sheesh.

MotownMadness · Post #13 » by **MotownMadness** » Sat Nov 19, 2016 3:16 am

Expect the team to dominate tomorrow now that Hans started another thread lol.

Pharaoh · Post #14 » by **Pharaoh** » Sat Nov 19, 2016 3:23 am

Han Solo wrote:Not an overreaction, if you disagree with me, feel free to defend your reason why. Reggie can't save a team that lacks effort and heart..

The fact that you started your post with "Not an overreaction" says it all

It's still November!

We've played ZERO games with THE most important offensive piece...the guy who sets the table for everyone but especially Dre

13 games into a 82 game season and people gonna react to every single game like it's played in a vacuum.

People also gonna focus on the negatives as opposed to posting anything positive:

Jon Boy is a bargain! Another smart move by SVG & the FO

Harris has improved! Most nights looks extremely comfortable in our system

Ish will be a quality bench PG

KCP has improved from long range, which is vital for us long term

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MotownMadness · Post #15 » by **MotownMadness** » Sat Nov 19, 2016 3:29 am

Pharaoh wrote:
Han Solo wrote:Not an overreaction, if you disagree with me, feel free to defend your reason why. Reggie can't save a team that lacks effort and heart..

The fact that you started your post with "Not an overreaction" says it all

It's still November!

We've played ZERO games with THE most important offensive piece...the guy who sets the table for everyone but especially Dre

13 games into a 82 game season and people gonna react to every single game like it's played in a vacuum.

People also gonna focus on the negatives as opposed to posting anything positive:

Jon Boy is a bargain! Another smart move by SVG & the FO

Harris has improved! Most nights looks extremely comfortable in our system

Ish will be a quality bench PG

KCP has improved from long range, which is vital for us long term

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I mean I've been very disappointed but Reggie not being out there just changes the whole design of the team. He's one of the highest USG players in the league and gives us one the best pick and roll duos in the league. Without him out there we can't even do anything the team is set up to do.

bjones521 · Post #16 » by **bjones521** » Sat Nov 19, 2016 3:43 am

PistonsSince85 wrote:trade his ass

If the Pistons could somehow get Boogie. They have to do it.

DBC10 · Post #17 » by **DBC10** » Sat Nov 19, 2016 3:47 am

bjones521 wrote:
PistonsSince85 wrote:trade his ass

If the Pistons could somehow get Boogie. They have to do it.

Wouldn't shock me at all if we did. Can we say it'll make us worse than now? Hell no, I'd argue the opposite.

MotownMadness · Post #18 » by **MotownMadness** » Sat Nov 19, 2016 3:58 am

DBC10 wrote:
bjones521 wrote:
PistonsSince85 wrote:trade his ass

If the Pistons could somehow get Boogie. They have to do it.

Wouldn't shock me at all if we did. Can we say it'll make us worse than now? Hell no, I'd argue the opposite.

SVG with Boogie just sounds like a street fight waiting to happen. That kind of move could easily back fire in a year when he hits FA unless everything goes perfect and we are competing with the Cavs. That could be a very easy way to lose Drummond for nothing. I would rather just keep Dre and put a package together with picks and players for another legit big to play alongside Drummond.

Pharaoh · Post #19 » by **Pharaoh** » Sat Nov 19, 2016 4:09 am

MotownMadness wrote:
Pharaoh wrote:
Han Solo wrote:Not an overreaction, if you disagree with me, feel free to defend your reason why. Reggie can't save a team that lacks effort and heart..

The fact that you started your post with "Not an overreaction" says it all

It's still November!

We've played ZERO games with THE most important offensive piece...the guy who sets the table for everyone but especially Dre

13 games into a 82 game season and people gonna react to every single game like it's played in a vacuum.

People also gonna focus on the negatives as opposed to posting anything positive:

Jon Boy is a bargain! Another smart move by SVG & the FO

Harris has improved! Most nights looks extremely comfortable in our system

Ish will be a quality bench PG

KCP has improved from long range, which is vital for us long term

Sent from my SM-J110F using RealGM mobile app

I mean I've been very disappointed but Reggie not being out there just changes the whole design of the team. He's one of the highest USG players in the league and gives us one the best pick and roll duos in the league. Without him out there we can't even do anything the team is set up to do.

I thought RJs injury would get Stan to open up the playbook a bit & utilize the playmaking of Harris a bit more

IF we diversified the offense we coulda seen Stanimal out there in a role that suits him, running PnRs. Remember the 2 man game he used to run with Baynes? WTF happened to that?

I realise SVG has his system and it works but you gotta adapt when such a key cog goes down. Can't put a dude like Ish into that spot and expect good results - they're completely different players!

Harris & Dre PnRs
Harris & KCP PnRs
Harris & Ish PnRs

ALL where Harris has the ball in hand would help create mismatches, allow Harris to be the focal point and takes pressure off Ish

You're still running the same basic stuff, just the minimal change of initiator

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whitehops · Post #20 » by **whitehops** » Sat Nov 19, 2016 4:57 am

JD43320 wrote:With Reggie out we don't have a single playmaker. Our all star center has an ankle injury and is a mental midget. We don't have a single reliable shooter. It's not a recipe for success.

watching ish try to finish in the paint today just highlights how much the offense misses reggie. even with teams sagging way off ish he can still get penetration fairly easily, he just has a very poor finishing touch inside.

and one of the focuses on building the roster was versatility which is good on one hand but the result with the pistons is you have a bunch of average/passable/reliable (whatever adjective you want to use) shooters but no great shooters. using a fresh example in JR smith, he is a terrific shooter than can hit shots at a good clip in many situations but average shooters can really only hit shots at a good clip in good situations. it's tough to get shooters in good situations consistently in the nba and the result is how we've shot from 3 so far this season. the problem with having a shooting specialist like JR on this roster is that our offense relies on everyone to be able to create/penetrate a little bit and JR provides very little in terms of that.

i actually think we have a pretty good team in terms of their effort level. in the few big losses we've so far this year i think everybody has been pretty consistent in bringing effort even when the score is lopsided. the obvious exception is andre and even in games like today where i thought he came out with good energy you could visibly see his effort/demeanor change as the score got bigger and he kept missing shots.