Who has less heart Dre or baynes?

DET_Athletics · Post #1 » by **DET_Athletics** » Wed Nov 30, 2016 8:13 am

I question this because baynes literally flip the switch when Dre got ejected from the game and actually started playing hard, how come we can't get that same effort when he doesn't get extended minutes?

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afroxnas · Post #2 » by **afroxnas** » Wed Nov 30, 2016 9:30 am

I have to disagree with that. Baynes brings it every night, particularly on the defensive end. He is extremely limited offensively, including finishing around the basket which probably influences the eye test , but the effort it always there.
His pnr and interior defense last night were a thing of beauty. The hedging, the timing while getting back to his man, the verticality while contesting guard penetration were simply excellent. If Andre developed/cared about these things we would be an elite defensive team.

Joe Berry · Post #3 » by **Joe Berry** » Wed Nov 30, 2016 9:33 am

You need new glasses, Baynes always plays hard.

El Chivo · Post #4 » by **El Chivo** » Wed Nov 30, 2016 10:06 am

Baynes is a warrior, every night.

Pharaoh · Post #5 » by **Pharaoh** » Wed Nov 30, 2016 10:19 am

LMAO! Baynes is Australian mate - he's playing hard as ****!

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flow · Post #6 » by **flow** » Wed Nov 30, 2016 1:29 pm

Baynes may not always produce, but he always plays hard.

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ElectricMayhem · Post #7 » by **ElectricMayhem** » Wed Nov 30, 2016 1:58 pm

While I love our emerging talent, I'm a bit worried about our veteran leadership once Baynes is gone either mid-year or at the end of the year. Losing Joel Anthony and Anthony Tolliver actually hurt us in this department, I think. After Baynes is gone, we have Tobias Harris who is a consummate professional and KCP who puts in work every game. Morris has seemed to somewhat develop into a leader, but we'll be lacking one more person who brings it every night. We need players that demand respect and require accountability.

JohnReese · Post #8 » by **JohnReese** » Wed Nov 30, 2016 2:39 pm

Baynes lacks of many things but heart.

Close this threat.

Pharaoh · Post #9 » by **Pharaoh** » Wed Nov 30, 2016 3:23 pm

ElectricMayhem wrote:While I love our emerging talent, I'm a bit worried about our veteran leadership once Baynes is gone either mid-year or at the end of the year. Losing Joel Anthony and Anthony Tolliver actually hurt us in this department, I think. After Baynes is gone, we have Tobias Harris who is a consummate professional and KCP who puts in work every game. Morris has seemed to somewhat develop into a leader, but we'll be lacking one more person who brings it every night. We need players that demand respect and require accountability.

KCP, RJ, Tobias & Mook is enough leadership

At some point "kids" gotta take over

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El Chivo · Post #10 » by **El Chivo** » Wed Nov 30, 2016 4:11 pm

Top-5 protecting rim (min. 70 plays):
LaMarcus Aldridge 39.1DFG%
James Johnson 39.4%
Rudy Gobert 39.7%
Kevin Durant 40.3%
Aron Baynes 40.7%

DaddyCool19 · Post #11 » by **DaddyCool19** » Wed Nov 30, 2016 4:26 pm

http://stats.nba.com/tracking/#!/player/defense/?sort=DEF_RIM_FGA&dir=1

according to this site Drummonds DFG% is 54,9%.

hoophabit · Post #12 » by **hoophabit** » Wed Nov 30, 2016 4:27 pm

Pharaoh wrote:
ElectricMayhem wrote:While I love our emerging talent, I'm a bit worried about our veteran leadership once Baynes is gone either mid-year or at the end of the year. Losing Joel Anthony and Anthony Tolliver actually hurt us in this department, I think. After Baynes is gone, we have Tobias Harris who is a consummate professional and KCP who puts in work every game. Morris has seemed to somewhat develop into a leader, but we'll be lacking one more person who brings it every night. We need players that demand respect and require accountability.

KCP, RJ, Tobias & Mook is enough leadership

At some point "kids" gotta take over

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This will likely draw some derision, but I don't think Ish's leadership should be discounted. Ish isn't a great player, but he always hustles, seems to understand the game, and interacts with the guys in a positive manner. You often see him talking with guys when he's on the bench.

Baynes is fine. I'm sorry that we almost surely won't be able to retain him.

What Dre did last night was foolish. It looked intentional to me. Hibbert plays with sharp elbows, but that wasn't the way to make a reply. I want Dre to make teams "feel him" more than he does now, but not like that.

DET_Athletics · Post #13 » by **DET_Athletics** » Wed Nov 30, 2016 4:42 pm

El Chivo wrote:Top-5 protecting rim (min. 70 plays):
LaMarcus Aldridge 39.1DFG%
James Johnson 39.4%
Rudy Gobert 39.7%
Kevin Durant 40.3%
Aron Baynes 40.7%

What's rim protection if you can't block a shot? That just means your first in line to get scored on. We need a shot blocker back there.

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El Chivo · Post #14 » by **El Chivo** » Wed Nov 30, 2016 4:43 pm

DET_Athletics wrote:
El Chivo wrote:Top-5 protecting rim (min. 70 plays):
LaMarcus Aldridge 39.1DFG%
James Johnson 39.4%
Rudy Gobert 39.7%
Kevin Durant 40.3%
Aron Baynes 40.7%

What's rim protection if you can't block a shot? That just means your first in line to get scored on. We need a shot blocker back there.

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nope, we need rim protection. field goals denied matter, not spectacular blocks.

mattao313 · Post #15 » by **mattao313** » Wed Nov 30, 2016 4:51 pm

Baynes plays the right way he just isn't a vertical athlete

DBC10 · Post #16 » by **DBC10** » Wed Nov 30, 2016 5:11 pm

Baynes does so many different things that affect the game that aren't recorded on the box score. Well, because they don't have a statistic criteria for it. Things like hustle, defensive intensity, and awareness on the court. He rarely makes bad calls or mistakes.

And he does things like this, where he opens up driving lanes on the weakside despite not being a shooter. He's a very low-key guy like Leuer but in the best ways. Look at him literally blocking/boxing out his man so that he doesn't block Tobias. Those types of plays are how you win long term.

https://youtu.be/WkTSokSwriA?t=1m26s

whitehops · Post #17 » by **whitehops** » Wed Nov 30, 2016 5:40 pm

DBC10 wrote:And he does things like this, where he opens up driving lanes on the weakside despite not being a shooter. He's a very low-key guy like Leuer but in the best ways. Look at him literally blocking/boxing out his man so that he doesn't block Tobias. Those types of plays are how you win long term.

https://youtu.be/WkTSokSwriA?t=1m26s

i noticed that when i was watching yesterday and was surprised that greg kelser was complimenting harris on the layup but didn't give baynes love! maybe he just couldn't see from his angle.

jakebernat · Post #18 » by **jakebernat** » Wed Nov 30, 2016 5:42 pm

DET_Athletics wrote:
El Chivo wrote:Top-5 protecting rim (min. 70 plays):
LaMarcus Aldridge 39.1DFG%
James Johnson 39.4%
Rudy Gobert 39.7%
Kevin Durant 40.3%
Aron Baynes 40.7%

What's rim protection if you can't block a shot? That just means your first in line to get scored on. We need a shot blocker back there.

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Lolwut

whitehops · Post #19 » by **whitehops** » Wed Nov 30, 2016 5:43 pm

and yeah, baynes has his limitations physically which is why he has some bad matchups/looks almost invisible (vs. the cavs in the playoffs last year for example) but he always brings effort and physicality.

7r5ur · Post #20 » by **7r5ur** » Wed Nov 30, 2016 5:56 pm

DaddyCool19 wrote:http://stats.nba.com/tracking/#!/player/defense/?sort=DEF_RIM_FGA&dir=1

according to this site Drummonds DFG% is 54,9%.

And oddly Drummond leads us in Defensive Win Shares and DRtg by a wide margin...

I suppose it's due to rebounding/steals... Baynes is more likely to contribute to an initial stop but give up an offensive put-back, where Dre is more likely to let the opponent score on the first attempt, but if they don't it's a defensive board.

I think Baynes plays hard every night. The results are a bit more mixed this year, but it's a pretty small sample size I think. He's in a contract year and has slightly more competition for that backup spot now with Boban, so maybe he's pressing a little?