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Serious by what definition? Not sure any team in the East can beat the Cavs in the next 3 years or so, same with Warriors out West if they keep everyone.

Get to the ECF, yes.

Perfect timing for this poll too, we're playing **** terrible.

Not with RJ and Andre Drummond as our supposed "leaders". Our franchise player doesn't have what it takes right now.

Ha! That's a big no.

SVG has done a great job improving the talent of the team from what he inherited, which was a burning garbage fire. But, this squad of players has nowhere near the talent honestly be considered a contender.

Regardless of how we've played the last few games, I always thought we would need to make another move to get a star scorer before we could make some inroads into being an elite contender. Also, I think our team will play much better with our current roster later in the year. And if everyone is playing great, we get to the 2nd round, and maybe the ECF if we don't play the Cavs in the 1st or 2nd round. But we are not seriously threatening the Cavs without some AllStar talent coming to Detroit. And I'm sure SVG and Bowers know that too, so it wouldn't surprise me to see us make a move by the trade deadline.

The Cavs & Warriors exist. So no, we can't with our current players. We need a major upgrade in talent. We have depth but no elite talent.

if we could swap John Wall for reggie we would be a legit threat imo

PicheDreams wrote:if we could swap John Wall for reggie we would be a legit threat imo

You could say that about a lot of teams.

This current crop can't beat the 76ers, there's your answer.

Cousins, afflalo for dre, stanley, ellenson, 1st.

dalton749 wrote:Cousins, afflalo for dre, stanley, ellenson, 1st.

Wow that is way to much

MrBigShot wrote:The Cavs & Warriors exist. So no, we can't with our current players. We need a major upgrade in talent. We have depth but no elite talent.

i'd say moving forward

KCP
DRE
SJ
Ellenson
Mook

Everyone else is expendable

KCP
SJ
Ellenson

Are all trending towards become that "Elite talent" type players

Mook is on a ridic contract

Dre potential is too good to just let go unless something great is coming back.

I'd say our biggest problem is we have 2 players that are ready now to contend, and 2 core players that are still trying to figure it out.

joedumars1 wrote:

dalton749 wrote:Cousins, afflalo for dre, stanley, ellenson, 1st.

Wow that is way to much

It costs to get an actual star. Dre is like the third guy at best on an elite team, ellenson isn't going to get much playing time for a while, and Stanley's had his issues. I'd probably try to make another move after that to get another star.

dalton749 wrote:

joedumars1 wrote:

dalton749 wrote:Cousins, afflalo for dre, stanley, ellenson, 1st.

Wow that is way to much

It costs to get an actual star. Dre is like the third guy at best on an elite team, ellenson isn't going to get much playing time for a while, and Stanley's had his issues. I'd probably try to make another move after that to get another star.

Considering contracts, that is entirely way to much.


Assuming Boogie extends with the pistons, that is still 3 core high character players +1st rounder for a player who has proven nothing more than he can get his own stats and a headcase waiting to happen. Also at that point, our roster is almost equivalent to Kings and we still haven't fixed our PG problem who also is apparently a headcase.

Blkbrd671 wrote:

MrBigShot wrote:The Cavs & Warriors exist. So no, we can't with our current players. We need a major upgrade in talent. We have depth but no elite talent.

i'd say moving forward

KCP
DRE
SJ
Ellenson
Mook

Everyone else is expendable

KCP
SJ
Ellenson

Are all trending towards become that "Elite talent" type players

Mook is on a ridic contract

Dre potential is too good to just let go unless something great is coming back.

I'd say our biggest problem is we have 2 players that are ready now to contend, and 2 core players that are still trying to figure it out.

Ellenson is a total unknown at the moment, we know he can shoot and he was projected by many sources to be a lotto talent pre-draft, but until he gets meaningful playing team we wont really get a good idea of what his potential is.

SJ is trending towards becoming a bust with his performance this season, he's been a huge disappointment. He still has plenty of time, but if he wants to become a great player he needs to trend in the total opposite direction he is right now. He's a solid athlete with terrific strength for a wing but he needs major skill development. Don't want to see him wasting his time in drew league next off season.

Not a chance in Hades.

MrBigShot wrote:

Blkbrd671 wrote:

MrBigShot wrote:The Cavs & Warriors exist. So no, we can't with our current players. We need a major upgrade in talent. We have depth but no elite talent.

i'd say moving forward

KCP
DRE
SJ
Ellenson
Mook

Everyone else is expendable

KCP
SJ
Ellenson

Are all trending towards become that "Elite talent" type players

Mook is on a ridic contract

Dre potential is too good to just let go unless something great is coming back.

I'd say our biggest problem is we have 2 players that are ready now to contend, and 2 core players that are still trying to figure it out.

Ellenson is a total unknown at the moment, we know he can shoot and he was projected by many sources to be a lotto talent pre-draft, but until he gets meaningful playing team we wont really get a good idea of what his potential is.

Judging by how gaudy SVG is about him as well as the other coaches and the fact that SVG indicates in practice he's a load to handle for all our players, and then you look at film , size and skillset. There's really very little pointing to the fact that he's going to be a bust. And we haven't even discussed Bball IQ, recognition in the PnR and positioning or work ethic.

YES its early, but unless we are in a rush to contend, players like Ellenson, especially at his size are valuable and shouldn't just be throw ins. I mean right now we are suffering because so many of our players are still developing their skillset, Ellenson is coming in at 19 with a more advance skillset than all 3.

I see no reason to trade that away or a reason to think he doesn't have high upside.


To be absolutely clear, i wouldn't be this pro-henry if SVG didn't light up about him every time he discusses him, but he does


SJ is trending towards becoming a bust with his performance this season, he's been a huge disappointment. He still has plenty of time, but if he wants to become a great player he needs to trend in the total opposite direction he is right now. He's a solid athlete with terrific strength for a wing but he needs major skill development. Don't want to see him wasting his time in drew league next off season.[/quote]

^Oh I'm not saying Ellenson is a bust/expendable, just noting that I don't think we have enough info to say he can be an elite player.

MrBigShot wrote:^Oh I'm not saying Ellenson is a bust/expendable, just noting that I don't think we have enough info to say he can be an elite player.

1.) I absolutely agree, we don't have enough sample size to make that determination

2.) I see it as , if you were to look at

Dre as rookie
SJ as a rookie
KCP as a rookie
Ellenson as a rookie


You compare there physical attributes+skillset+IQ as rookies and have to pick "most likely to become a superstar" or "elite player" . There is really no argument as Ellenson has the size, iq and much more advance skillset. While it is mostly projection rather than production, in this system, under SVG and how DRE and KCP have developed. I would bet that its "more likely" Henry becomes a great player than not.

I believe SVG even said "If Henry doesn't become a great players, The coaches f* up because he's tremendously skilled"


3.) Your right, we don't have enough info. =(

Blkbrd671 wrote:

MrBigShot wrote:The Cavs & Warriors exist. So no, we can't with our current players. We need a major upgrade in talent. We have depth but no elite talent.

i'd say moving forward

KCP
DRE
SJ
Ellenson
Mook

Everyone else is expendable

KCP
SJ
Ellenson

Are all trending towards become that "Elite talent" type players

Mook is on a ridic contract

Dre potential is too good to just let go unless something great is coming back.

I'd say our biggest problem is we have 2 players that are ready now to contend, and 2 core players that are still trying to figure it out.

Add Jon Leuer to your list of keepers and I'm in complete agreement.