All In for Tanking

PistonsSince85 · Post #1 » by **PistonsSince85** » Fri Jan 13, 2017 1:36 am

I'm resigned to tank. The draft will be strong and a lottery pick is extremely valuable.

Given our current play, the only player that we can sell high on is Andre. Given his age and contract its prob best we hold him for a bit longer. Cousins would be a gamble I would be willing to take in a straight up deal but it looks like he is going to stay with the Kings.

Hopefully we can trade Baynes or Boban for a pick.

Han Solo · Post #2 » by **Han Solo** » Fri Jan 13, 2017 1:44 am

This team will never tank with the move coming next year downtown. I can't see Van Gundy ever doing it either. We'll pick between 12-14 this year. Those are the prospects we need to start keeping an eye on.

Blkbrd671 · Post #3 » by **Blkbrd671** » Fri Jan 13, 2017 1:59 am

So tank to get a draft pick that is not going to be ready til year 3-4 at which point the current budding stars will be hitting their peak and our board will post another thread about tanking for "the greatest draft ever " 1st rounder.

DetPistons04 · Post #4 » by **DetPistons04** » Fri Jan 13, 2017 2:01 am

Tanking is a pathetic strategy that I would argue rarely pays off the way these cowardly organizations hope it will. The NBA Draft is a gigantic craps shoot. I don't care if you're picking 1st or 21st, there is no such thing as a "sure thing" in the NBA Draft.

coordinator0 · Post #5 » by **coordinator0** » Fri Jan 13, 2017 2:11 am

Even if the Pistons start tanking they're still going to be better than a lot of the current bottom teams. Detroit's roster is still too deep to really throw out a realistic lineup that would be awful. And after the top 6 or so prospects it drops off to the next tier and that extends a ways down. The depth of good prospects is where the strength of this draft is at. The Pistons aren't getting a good shot at Fultz, Ball, Monk, Jackson, Smith, or Tatum so they might as well stay the course. They will probably be getting a similar prospect if they draft 8 or 18.

Han Solo · Post #6 » by **Han Solo** » Fri Jan 13, 2017 2:12 am

DetPistons04 wrote:Tanking is a pathetic strategy that I would argue rarely pays off the way these cowardly organizations hope it will. The NBA Draft is a gigantic craps shoot. I don't care if you're picking 1st or 21st, there is no such thing as a "sure thing" in the NBA Draft.

That's very true. This does look to be a good draft though. Realistically, we won't pick any higher than 12th though unless we get hit with injuries really hard at some point. Only likely scenario for us to be picking higher. i can see Van Gundy shaking things up at the trade deadline though if we still aren't showing any signs of being playoff bound. With the impending KCP deal, there is likely a lot of pressure to shed a little salary if we aren't a playoff team. Tobias could be moved.

PistonsSince85 · Post #7 » by **PistonsSince85** » Fri Jan 13, 2017 2:12 am

coordinator0 wrote:Even if the Pistons start tanking they're still going to be better than a lot of the current bottom teams. Detroit's roster is still too deep to really throw out a realistic lineup that would be awful. And after the top 6 or so prospects it drops off to the next tier and that extends a ways down. The depth of good prospects is where the strength of this draft is at. The Pistons aren't getting a good shot at Fultz, Ball, Monk, Jackson, Smith, or Tatum so they might as well stay the course. They will probably be getting a similar prospect if they draft 8 or 18.

Not so sure they need to change anything to ensure a tank. We stink, plain and simple.

Han Solo · Post #8 » by **Han Solo** » Fri Jan 13, 2017 2:14 am

PistonsSince85 wrote:
coordinator0 wrote:Even if the Pistons start tanking they're still going to be better than a lot of the current bottom teams. Detroit's roster is still too deep to really throw out a realistic lineup that would be awful. And after the top 6 or so prospects it drops off to the next tier and that extends a ways down. The depth of good prospects is where the strength of this draft is at. The Pistons aren't getting a good shot at Fultz, Ball, Monk, Jackson, Smith, or Tatum so they might as well stay the course. They will probably be getting a similar prospect if they draft 8 or 18.

Not so sure they need to change anything to ensure a tank. We stink, plain and simple.

We don't stink bad enough to pick top 10.

DBC10 · Post #9 » by **DBC10** » Fri Jan 13, 2017 3:12 am

Yeah, with the way the Hawks and NY are struggling or doing God knows whatever in their standings, we're honestly too talented to tank at this point.

It's a sad realization since we could use a superstar that makes our entire team more cohesive and functional.

joedumars1 · Post #10 » by **joedumars1** » Fri Jan 13, 2017 3:17 am

I've never been a fan of tanking. You might have to in todays NBA tho. I still think we have room to grow internally too. I'll be it atm I could only see ECF as ceiling.

A problem if we did tank. We would have to get rid of Mook, Harris, and Jackson, Hell KCP and Dre might not like it either. We bring in a young guy if we got a top 3 pick who is suppose to be the face of the franchise and get the majority of usage. Yeah I don't see that going over so well with Mook, RJ, or Harris. Like I said not sure Dre and KCP would like it either. We still have a very young squad

whitehops · Post #11 » by **whitehops** » Fri Jan 13, 2017 3:23 am

we have to be about .500 to make playoffs, and we're four games away from that. finishing 23-18 in the last 41 games is not that difficult and if we made the playoffs as a low seed we'd be picking somewhere from 15-20. there's 10 teams right now that are .400 or worse, to even crack a top 10 pick we'd have to go about 15-26 in the last 41 games.

so we're closer to making playoffs than getting a top 10 pick and i really don't think giving up on a season to get a little higher pick at a player that likely won't contribute much for few years is worth the continued playoff experience for our young core.

the other thing is i'm not even sure how we would tank. start SJ over morris would be one move, but other than that?

Statlanta · Post #12 » by **Statlanta** » Fri Jan 13, 2017 3:28 am

Pistons? Tanking?

Spoiler:

joedumars1 · Post #13 » by **joedumars1** » Fri Jan 13, 2017 3:34 am

whitehops wrote:we have to be about .500 to make playoffs, and we're four games away from that. finishing 23-18 in the last 41 games is not that difficult and if we made the playoffs as a low seed we'd be picking somewhere from 15-20. there's 10 teams right now that are .400 or worse, to even crack a top 10 pick we'd have to go about 15-26 in the last 41 games.

so we're closer to making playoffs than getting a top 10 pick and i really don't think giving up on a season to get a little higher pick at a player that likely won't contribute much for few years is worth the continued playoff experience for our young core.

the other thing is i'm not even sure how we would tank. start SJ over morris would be one move, but other than that?

Sj over Mook might help atm

coordinator0 · Post #14 » by **coordinator0** » Fri Jan 13, 2017 3:38 am

joedumars1 wrote:Sj over Mook might help atm

I'm not sure no offense over inefficient offense is an improvement.

joedumars1 · Post #15 » by **joedumars1** » Fri Jan 13, 2017 3:50 am

coordinator0 wrote:
joedumars1 wrote:Sj over Mook might help atm

I'm not sure no offense over inefficient offense is an improvement.

Sj plays withing the Offense and takes good shots, he can pass too. Brings it on D and the Boards. Mook normally Iso, he brings it on D and boards too, but SJ is younger, get's steals. Don't think it would be much of a difference in positive or negative if any difference at all

coordinator0 · Post #16 » by **coordinator0** » Fri Jan 13, 2017 3:53 am

joedumars1 wrote: Sj plays withing the Offense and takes good shots, he can pass too. Brings it on D and the Boards. Mook normally Iso, he brings it on D and boards too, but SJ is younger, get's steals. Don't think it would be much of a difference in positive or negative if any difference at all

He may play within the offense but he doesn't produce within the offense either. Not saying I wouldn't like to see less of Morris isoing and chucking out there, but until Stanley finds some confidence on offense he's going to be a negative there. Turnovers are a pretty big issue too.

Looks like Johnson will get a chance in the backcourt now anyways...

joedumars1 · Post #17 » by **joedumars1** » Fri Jan 13, 2017 3:56 am

coordinator0 wrote:
joedumars1 wrote: Sj plays withing the Offense and takes good shots, he can pass too. Brings it on D and the Boards. Mook normally Iso, he brings it on D and boards too, but SJ is younger, get's steals. Don't think it would be much of a difference in positive or negative if any difference at all

He may play within the offense but he doesn't produce within the offense either. Not saying I wouldn't like to see less of Morris isoing and chucking out there, but until Stanley finds some confidence on offense he's going to be a negative there. Turnovers are a pretty big issue too.

Looks like Johnson will get a chance in the backcourt now anyways...

I don't like him at SG tho

coordinator0 · Post #18 » by **coordinator0** » Fri Jan 13, 2017 3:59 am

joedumars1 wrote:I don't like him at SG tho

Neither do I.

I like Stanley as a prospect, but it's getting harder and harder to see an eventual role for him in Detroit.

joedumars1 · Post #19 » by **joedumars1** » Fri Jan 13, 2017 4:05 am

coordinator0 wrote:
joedumars1 wrote:I don't like him at SG tho

Neither do I.

I like Stanley as a prospect, but it's getting harder and harder to see an eventual role for him in Detroit.

With what Mook has been doing he can take some of them minute or all with how bad he's been. SJ would take good shots within the offense. I still believe SJ is going to be a very good player.

coordinator0 · Post #20 » by **coordinator0** » Fri Jan 13, 2017 4:09 am

joedumars1 wrote:With what Mook has been doing he can take some of them minute or all with how bad he's been. SJ would take good shots within the offense. I still believe SJ is going to be a very good player.

I want to. Maybe a good game against the Warriors combined with Caldwell-Pope unfortunately missing some time could be a nice springboard for him and his confidence.

Not like Van Gundy is actually going to bench Morris or reduce his minutes though. Definitely deserves it, but it's not happening.