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after he says drummond is the best player on the team, he proceeded to talk about how our roster is full of guys who think their better than they actually are. and hes 100 right. we have reggie jackson and marcus morris out here jacking up shots that should be drummonds. mook kcp and rj yesterday all shot under 38% while dre was over 63%. Now considering dre had 22 rebounds, alot of his shots came off of detroit pistons misses.

my whole thing i BEEN trying to put yall up on is this, whats the point of getting marcus morris 16 shots when you know 11-12 of them are going to be long range 2pointers off isos when we have a giant who will always shoot above 50%. teams have different defenders for all our guys except dre. teams cant switch off dre and only a handful of defenders can physically match up with him but we dont exploit that.

Drummond doesn't exploit defenders with his size. He settles for quick hook shots far out of his range resulting in terrible offensive efficiency. Drummond needs to start backing defenders down or stick to put backs.

I've been saying for months. SVG's problem is:

"He talks defense, but he writes checks for offense."

He's too much of a fan. He likes guys that look like they can score. He pays these guys too much money now we have the 2nd highest payroll in the league but their production can't even get them into the playoffs.

It's almost a dumpster fire.

They can turn it around if they give Dre the team and Reggie stops trying to act like he's Kyrie Irving. But if they don't shrink their heads it's going to be pretty horrible to watch.

The problem is you can't really get Dre more of the shots that he can make at 60%+. He works really hard for offensive rebounds, and gets a bunch of easy looks. That's not the same things as force feeding him in the post. He rarely works hard enough on his positioning to get easy looks off his post ups.

Billl wrote:The problem is you can't really get Dre more of the shots that he can make at 60%+. He works really hard for offensive rebounds, and gets a bunch of easy looks. That's not the same things as force feeding him in the post. He rarely works hard enough on his positioning to get easy looks off his post ups.

its like a stigma or something but as soon as dre misses 1 or 2 hooks its like oh lets go away from the post yet we can have guys misses countless jumpers and its all gucci. this team doesnt get it. we use dre as a pick & and roll dummy and rely on him to clean up the guards and wings bricks. id take a dre hook from the block over alot of the shots i see getting put up right now

Billl wrote:The problem is you can't really get Dre more of the shots that he can make at 60%+. He works really hard for offensive rebounds, and gets a bunch of easy looks. That's not the same things as force feeding him in the post. He rarely works hard enough on his positioning to get easy looks off his post ups.

This. Getting more post touches for Drummond would be a bad thing given his poor scoring efficiency from them. He just doesn't have the moves or instincts to actually take advantage of his size and athleticism... in any facet of the game.

I'm amazed some people still don't look beyond raw FG%.

Drummond is horrible at post ups, a morris iso is more efficient than a Drummond post up that's a fact.

Drummond ISO:

Morris ISO:

Dre's post averages are low because he rarely fights for good post position and then pins his man. When he does that and catches with 1 or 2 feet in the paint, he looks really good. When he catches an extra step or 2 out from that, he looks pretty bad. With his strength and speed, there really is no excuse for guys beating him to a spot or pushing him out, but it happens over and over.

I think that he was talking about reggie jackson and tobias harris.

Not saying he's wrong, but Charles is an entertainer not an analyst. He says a lot of stupid **** lol

Yep. Tobias makes too much and KCP is about to join the club.

Nobody was complaining about Reggies deal but if he isnt producing that comes with the territory.

There is silly money in the NBA, and unlike NFL, or MLB there is only 15 man rosters, and of that really only 8-9 get paid. The rest are rookies or end of bench league minimum guys. So you take the salary cap of 110M and spread it out over 8 players and the average is 12.5M. If you're a starter caliber in the league you're getting $15M from somewhere. That is life changing money - that is generational money. Great on the players for getting it, I mean I'm not saying the owners should keep more or anything like that - but you make $60M over four years I do agree with Charles, unless you have the burning desire to be great, it would be mighty easy to get comfortable leveling off and thinking you "made it" enough.

And Charles is also right about each team having "the guy", that sets the tone for the team on and off the court. And unfortunately for us that is Andre "I play basketball to make friends" Drummond who Gores is paying $125M to and is our face of the franchise.

We need a veteran on this team who can get up in Dre's ass and make him uncomfortable. Stan built a coaches dream team with nice guys who all go along to get along - but this team needs a police man. I was a proponent of letting the vets walk, because I thought it was time for this team of young vets to grow into leaders of their own. But they've proven they are not ready to do that. We're down Tolliver, Blake and Joel Anthony from last year's squad and we're really missing them.

Also regarding their defensive stat - why didn't they point out Reggie Jackson's early season injury and Ish starting? To me that i very obvious what is going on there.

Kilo telling it like it is.

We've been incredibly patient and as fans we've come up with a number of excuses and scapegoats but one way or another you can't escape the fact that our defense fell to pieces when Reggie returned. We are routinely giving up 115+ ppg.

We talk about lack of shooting, bad ball movement and all that other crap but honestly I offense hasn't been the problem. As Piston fans we know what ugly offense can look like and in comparison we're the **** globetrotters. We need to stop somebody. We need to stop giving up penetration, which is leading to both easy shots at the rim and kickouts for high percentage 3's. Teams are having their way with us at that end of the court. It's embarrassing.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pgl_finder.cgi?request=1&match=game&year_min=2013&year_max=2017&is_playoffs=N&age_min=0&age_max=99&is_starter=Y&team_id=DET&is_active=Y&pos_is_c=Y&c1stat=fga&c1comp=gt&c1val=15&order_by=pts

You can see the stats; when Dre gets more than 15 FGA, he has 32 of 67 games below .500%. That's absolutely pathetic for guy who never shoots the ball outside 0-3 range. He's the most inefficient scorer on this team.

Yeah, Ish was actually considered an slightly above average defender when he was starting for us. I can pull up the article if needed for citation.

That alone was apparently enough to have one of the better defenses in the league. And this was with Tobias starting for us too who is considered an average at best defender. It really does start on the perimeter, especially in this guard driven league.

lol, Barkley, who gets paid to make controversial statements, makes a general statement and one of our posters assumes he's agreeing with his opinion about specific players. Then he goes on to talk about how "dre is a stud". Which is only true if your looking at specific traits and qualities of Dre and completely ignoring the defensive side of the ball. He then continues to talk about how players are paid like allstars and so they think they are stars without putting in the work.

So then the logic is he's referring to marcus morris!? who is making below the vet minimum!? I really don't get the Mook hate. He is not the problem.

Who on our team is paid like star but doesn't produce like a star but thinks he's a star. hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm...........

Our problem is our 2 main core pieces lack skill and bball iq. They are both players that have gotten to where they are because of their physical profile and potential with the hope that the skillset will come. Well it hasn't. Again i keep seeing everyone talk about post ups and offense when our f* problem is defense. Which our 2 main core pieces are absolutely sh*. Compound that with the fact that our coach is "hopeful" , its the easiest problem to see.

I'd put $100 down that the minute we trade RJ away our team starts to become better.

The point of attack is where the problem lies on BOTH ends of the floor

Don't care who says what or how many games you watch: if you can't see that Reggie Jackson is problem #1 then I got nothing for you

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The problem is always defense with this team, not offense. Reggie can jack up 20 shots a game all he wants for all I care if this team could play elite defense.