rewatched philly game. pope and reggie need switch roles

[davidvolumes]

Pope should be primary ballhandler and Reggie the off guard. Pope plays with pace and is less ball dominant. Pope moves the ball better. Reggie should have same role as he did at okc, off ball. Reggie is more a Vinnie Johnson type guard.This team needs to play with pace which, Reggie doesn't provide, to be at their best.

[DBC10]

Well that's basically what we did when Ish was starting for us. KCP's usage rate spiked up and in turn, so did his assist rate too. I remember him dishing to all those sweet lobs to Dre and bounce passes. More or less the same with Tobias too.

We just need a starting caliber version of what Ish is as a point guard. Whoever that is.

[sc8581]

Well that's basically what we did when Ish was starting for us. KCP's usage rate spiked up and in turn, so did his assist rate too. I remember him dishing to all those sweet lobs to Dre and bounce passes. More or less the same with Tobias too.

We just need a starting caliber version of what Ish is as a point guard. Whoever that is.

What about starting Ish while having a solid backup that can play bigger minutes? Darren Collision isn't at all ball dominant, can get you 12 points in 20-25mpg on efficient shooting while playing in the flow and we could probably get another decent piece or two if we traded Reggie for him. Koufos is a good defender and could fill Baynes role at least for next year, wouldn't be bad to get those two back in a deal. Salaries are probably close too.

[whitehops]

We just need a starting caliber version of what Ish is as a point guard. Whoever that is.

ricky rubio probably fits that description the best, ironically.

[In SVG We Trust]

We just need a starting caliber version of what Ish is as a point guard. Whoever that is.

ricky rubio probably fits that description the best, ironically.

Everybody who has seen Ricky play a decent amount of games would deny it. The way Ish look to the basket and try to drive to the rim it's another whole world for Rubio's game. I'm not saying he's better than Rubio but Rubio is an extremist player in things he does real good and things he's awful. And just looking our type of roster you can see Rubio would be a very very very bad move for us.

Collison has so much more sense in terms of fit.

[Pharaoh]

We just need a starting caliber version of what Ish is as a point guard. Whoever that is.

ricky rubio probably fits that description the best, ironically.

Everybody who has seen Ricky play a decent amount of games would deny it. The way Ish look to the basket and try to drive to the rim it's another whole world for Rubio's game. I'm not saying he's better than Rubio but Rubio is an extremist player in things he does real good and things he's awful. And just looking our type of roster you can see Rubio would be a very very very bad move for us.

Collison has so much more sense in terms of fit.

Rubio's entire game is based on getting into the paint - sure he can't finish lol but he's about penetration!

Not going through this again but:

Strengths:

A legit PG - can run any offense because he makes smart decisions with the ball, reads the D and has a high BBall IQ

Can deliver penetration - even though he can't shoot dude still gets into the paint and compromises the D

Good defender - perhaps very good

Good team mate - puts the team first as opposed to making it about him

Weaknesses:

Couldn't score with a $2 whore!

Terrible shooter, can't finish

He is the opposite of RJ & as close to an upgraded Ish as you're likely to see in the league today

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[In SVG We Trust]

Rubio's entire game is based on getting into the paint - sure he can't finish lol but he's about penetration!

Not going through this again but:

Strengths:

A legit PG - can run any offense because he makes smart decisions with the ball, reads the D and has a high BBall IQ

Can deliver penetration - even though he can't shoot dude still gets into the paint and compromises the D

Good defender - perhaps very good

Good team mate - puts the team first as opposed to making it about him

Weaknesses:

Couldn't score with a $2 whore!

Terrible shooter, can't finish

He is the opposite of RJ & as close to an upgraded Ish as you're likely to see in the league today

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I agree in your Rubio description, just don't share your vision of him having a positive impact here. And while there are some very similar things with Ish, I don't see him like an upgraded Ish, not because his talent, but there are some differences that really could hurt our team.

And I'm pretty sure the Rockets roster, even changing a Top-10 player like Harden for Rubio, would be amazing runned by him. It's just we have serious space problems and while Ish doesn't bring space, he's so much quicker than rubio and he's really a threat playing off the ball because his speed and drive to the rim tendencies. But Rubio without the ball is sooooo much worse player than Ish. That's why I can't see him being an upgrade for us.

Ish playing 28 per night and Darren Collison 20 would be so much better for our roster configuration.

[Pharaoh]

Rubio's entire game is based on getting into the paint - sure he can't finish lol but he's about penetration!

Not going through this again but:

Strengths:

A legit PG - can run any offense because he makes smart decisions with the ball, reads the D and has a high BBall IQ

Can deliver penetration - even though he can't shoot dude still gets into the paint and compromises the D

Good defender - perhaps very good

Good team mate - puts the team first as opposed to making it about him

Weaknesses:

Couldn't score with a $2 whore!

Terrible shooter, can't finish

He is the opposite of RJ & as close to an upgraded Ish as you're likely to see in the league today

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I agree in your Rubio description, just don't share your vision of him having a positive impact here. And while there are some very similar things with Ish, I don't see him like an upgraded Ish, not because his talent, but there are some differences that really could hurt our team.

And I'm pretty sure the Rockets roster, even changing a Top-10 player like Harden for Rubio, would be amazing runned by him. It's just we have serious space problems and while Ish doesn't bring space, he's so much quicker than rubio and he's really a threat playing off the ball because his speed and drive to the rim tendencies. But Rubio without the ball is sooooo much worse player than Ish. That's why I can't see him being an upgrade for us.

Ish playing 28 per night and Darren Collison 20 would be so much better for our roster configuration.

Not gonna argue a hypothetical like Rubio with us vs Collison with us

There is the small matter of Collison's contract expiring...

I'm a Rubio fan - I admit it. IMO he plays the game the way it's supposed to be played.

How he'd fit we'll never know

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[BadMofoPimp]

Well that's basically what we did when Ish was starting for us. KCP's usage rate spiked up and in turn, so did his assist rate too. I remember him dishing to all those sweet lobs to Dre and bounce passes. More or less the same with Tobias too.

We just need a starting caliber version of what Ish is as a point guard. Whoever that is.

What about starting Ish while having a solid backup that can play bigger minutes? Darren Collision isn't at all ball dominant, can get you 12 points in 20-25mpg on efficient shooting while playing in the flow and we could probably get another decent piece or two if we traded Reggie for him. Koufos is a good defender and could fill Baynes role at least for next year, wouldn't be bad to get those two back in a deal. Salaries are probably close too.

Let Reggie chuck with the 2nd unit. Sounds good to me.

[BadMofoPimp]

Pope should be primary ballhandler and Reggie the off guard. Pope plays with pace and is less ball dominant. Pope moves the ball better. Reggie should have same role as he did at okc, off ball. Reggie is more a Vinnie Johnson type guard.This team needs to play with pace which, Reggie doesn't provide, to be at their best.

How about Reggie bring ball up the court then dish to KCP to start the play. That way Reggie can say he is still the PG.

[El Chivo]

Reggie is not chucking, simply he isn't running an offense. Wasting seconds and not creating advantages.

[In SVG We Trust]

Reggie is not chucking, simply he isn't running an offense. Wasting seconds and not creating advantages.

Yeah, the saddest thing is he's being very efficient and shooting so damn well, but this with his style of play doesn't translate in winning basketball. And yep, of course, his Harden defense hurt us a lot.

[davidvolumes]

This thread is about Reggie NOT being a pg, PERIOD. Pope would be better used as our point man, primary ball handler and initiator of our offense. For those critics of the idea think Westbrook. In college he was an off guard. Then there was Ron Harper for the bulls. Popes ballhandling has improved to the point where he is a better option than Reggie. In addition Reggie can be useful off the ball if he stays in constant motion. That's his strength, pg is his weakness. Finally it frustrates me that svg cant, doesn't think outside the box. He keeps trotting out same tired formula for mediocrity.

[In SVG We Trust]

I think KCP is a great passer and distributor but he needs a huge improvement in his handles to run an offense as primarily handler. I don't see any problem because I'm convinced if SVG ask him for improve that aspect of his game, he will. He's a hard worker and I think he needs to start now to be the reference, even if it does mean a little losses streak. We need to look to the future and KCP with an above average handles would be SCARY

[BadMofoPimp]

People need to be rational. KCP needs to conserve his energy for Defense. If KCP added ball handling in addition to all he does on this team which includes defending the opponents top offensive wing player, then other parts of his game would begin to suffer. not gonna happen.

[jakebernat]

People need to be rational. KCP needs to conserve his energy for Defense. If KCP added ball handling in addition to all he does on this team which includes defending the opponents top offensive wing player, then other parts of his game would begin to suffer. not gonna happen.

...you did watch the first 20+ games of the season, right?

[BadMofoPimp]

People need to be rational. KCP needs to conserve his energy for Defense. If KCP added ball handling in addition to all he does on this team which includes defending the opponents top offensive wing player, then other parts of his game would begin to suffer. not gonna happen.

...you did watch the first 20+ games of the season, right?

I am stating "Main ballhandler" to the list. If KCP is handles the ball 25-30% of his time on the court, then he can probalby still be effective, but if you try to make that 75-100% of the time, then we will have problems. This team is not having offensive issues as they are having major Defensive issues.

[jakebernat]

People need to be rational. KCP needs to conserve his energy for Defense. If KCP added ball handling in addition to all he does on this team which includes defending the opponents top offensive wing player, then other parts of his game would begin to suffer. not gonna happen.

...you did watch the first 20+ games of the season, right?

I am stating "Main ballhandler" to the list. If KCP is handles the ball 25-30% of his time on the court, then he can probalby still be effective, but if you try to make that 75-100% of the time, then we will have problems. This team is not having offensive issues as they are having major Defensive issues.

I could agree with that, but to say that he couldn't be effective handling the ball more than he does right now simply isn't true. Truthfully, he thrived in both efficiency and overall output getting more offensive opportunities. He definitely shouldn't be the guy bringing the ball up the court and initiating offense though.

[sc8581]

...you did watch the first 20+ games of the season, right?

I am stating "Main ballhandler" to the list. If KCP is handles the ball 25-30% of his time on the court, then he can probalby still be effective, but if you try to make that 75-100% of the time, then we will have problems. This team is not having offensive issues as they are having major Defensive issues.

I could agree with that, but to say that he couldn't be effective handling the ball more than he does right now simply isn't true. Truthfully, he thrived in both efficiency and overall output getting more offensive opportunities. He definitely shouldn't be the guy bringing the ball up the court and initiating offense though.

I'm not the biggest fan of Stanley but if he continues to improve he will help KCP in both of these areas, running the offense and defending the better perimeter scorer. Not exclusively for either of course but a team effort.

[BadMofoPimp]

I am stating "Main ballhandler" to the list. If KCP is handles the ball 25-30% of his time on the court, then he can probalby still be effective, but if you try to make that 75-100% of the time, then we will have problems. This team is not having offensive issues as they are having major Defensive issues.

I could agree with that, but to say that he couldn't be effective handling the ball more than he does right now simply isn't true. Truthfully, he thrived in both efficiency and overall output getting more offensive opportunities. He definitely shouldn't be the guy bringing the ball up the court and initiating offense though.

I'm not the biggest fan of Stanley but if he continues to improve he will help KCP in both of these areas, running the offense and defending the better perimeter scorer. Not exclusively for either of course but a team effort.

Stanley spent a year playing PG in High School and can do so part time here. But, I think Ish/Beno would be adequate with Stanley as the 3rd pg if Reggie could be moved for another player that could help this team elsewhere.