SMH SVG

flow · Post #1 » by **flow** » Fri Feb 17, 2017 1:59 am

There were 30 first round picks this year, as there are every year. Five of those players, either due to injury, over seas, or not making the team, haven't played at all. Of the 25 players who have played, Henry Ellenson ranks dead last in minutes-per-game, with 4.

Wait, there's more.

Another 30 players were selected in the second round. Of those, 18 made a team and have played at least 1 minute this season. So a total of 43 players from this year's draft are on a team and have played. Ellenson's 4 mpg ranks 39th out of 43. Only 5 players from the entire draft average fewer minutes than Ellenson. And one of them is another Piston, Gbinije.

And more.

Ellenson has played a grand total of 56 minutes this season. Of the 76 nba rookies (draft picks + undrafted free agents + international signees + dleague first timers...) who have played at least one minute, only 15 have played fewer than 56 minutes.

Considering that Ellenson was a high-caliber pick, who showed well in summer league, who hasn't lost out on any PT due to injury, and considering the fact that the Pistons have struggled mightily all year and have a mediocre team.... this is just unfathomable. I'm not sure I've seen a worse bench/rotation manager than SVG.

DETermination · Post #2 » by **DETermination** » Fri Feb 17, 2017 2:05 am

Yeah I really wish there was a spot in the rotation for him

joedumars1 · Post #3 » by **joedumars1** » Fri Feb 17, 2017 2:06 am

I agree Ellenson should get some run. I'm not to worried about it tho. Now I am scared SVG might end up doing basically the same thing next year he has done this year with him and that will be ****. Even if we are a top 4 seed or something. Players need to play to develop usually

Pharaoh · Post #4 » by **Pharaoh** » Fri Feb 17, 2017 2:07 am

Just no.

Jon, Mook & Harris all deserve to play in front of Kingy

"So play Jon at C" - Baynes deserves to play more than Kingy

"So play Mook or Harris at SF" - SJ deserves to play more than Kingy

It is what it is mate

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Post #5 » by **dVs33** » Fri Feb 17, 2017 2:17 am

Yeah unfortunately for Ellenson he's on a team that has depth at his spot. Doesn't mean he'll never play, he just needs to be patient and keep working

flow · Post #6 » by **flow** » Fri Feb 17, 2017 2:19 am

Pharaoh wrote:Just no.

Jon, Mook & Harris all deserve to play in front of Kingy

"So play Jon at C" - Baynes deserves to play more than Kingy

"So play Mook or Harris at SF" - SJ deserves to play more than Kingy

It is what it is mate

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I don't know how you can say that when the guy hasn't gotten a chance to play, and when the team has been playing like crap for 3.5 months. Mook, Baynes and Leuer are limited, marginal nba players who shouldn't be holding back any talented first rounder from at least some run to show whether he might be able to add a spark/dimension to the team.

MotownMadness · Post #7 » by **MotownMadness** » Fri Feb 17, 2017 2:27 am

I do want to see us start to develop Johnson and Ellenson more. We are stuck in this have to get the 8th seed mode but we aren't good enough to not be developing our 1st rounders like this.

Pharaoh · Post #8 » by **Pharaoh** » Fri Feb 17, 2017 2:45 am

Players develop over the off-season and then take playing time off vets in camp

When you're in playoff contention you don't say "let's throw the kids out there and see what they got" unless it's a blowout win or loss...

Which means Kingy gets 5 minutes here and there to play - he's not developing in that time he's simply playing.

IF you're a crap team you play kids to develop them - anything over 20 minutes

We're not a crap team despite how some feel

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MotownMadness · Post #9 » by **MotownMadness** » Fri Feb 17, 2017 3:05 am

Pharaoh wrote:Players develop over the off-season and then take playing time off vets in camp

When you're in playoff contention you don't say "let's throw the kids out there and see what they got" unless it's a blowout win or loss...

Which means Kingy gets 5 minutes here and there to play - he's not developing in that time he's simply playing.

IF you're a crap team you play kids to develop them - anything over 20 minutes

We're not a crap team despite how some feel

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Were not very good either

flow · Post #10 » by **flow** » Fri Feb 17, 2017 3:21 am

Pharaoh wrote:Players develop over the off-season and then take playing time off vets in camp

When you're in playoff contention you don't say "let's throw the kids out there and see what they got" unless it's a blowout win or loss...

Which means Kingy gets 5 minutes here and there to play - he's not developing in that time he's simply playing.

IF you're a crap team you play kids to develop them - anything over 20 minutes

We're not a crap team despite how some feel

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Neither are the Spurs. But they've somehow found 234 minutes for the rookie guard they took with the 29th pick. Granted, they don't have the likes of Mook, Baynes and Leuer standing in his way....

That's just one example.

Pharaoh · Post #11 » by **Pharaoh** » Fri Feb 17, 2017 3:24 am

flow wrote:
Pharaoh wrote:Players develop over the off-season and then take playing time off vets in camp

When you're in playoff contention you don't say "let's throw the kids out there and see what they got" unless it's a blowout win or loss...

Which means Kingy gets 5 minutes here and there to play - he's not developing in that time he's simply playing.

IF you're a crap team you play kids to develop them - anything over 20 minutes

We're not a crap team despite how some feel

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Neither are the Spurs. But they've somehow found 234 minutes for the rookie guard they took with the 29th pick. Granted, they don't have the likes of Mook, Baynes and Leuer standing in his way....

I could go on and on with similar examples.

They also have Leonard, LMA, Gasol, Danny Green, Parker, Manu, Mills etc

Oh so and so played 300 minutes why can't Kingy!

Over 50 games that means the kid could have played 30 minutes 10 times and sat 40 **** games!

Context is a good thing

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flow · Post #12 » by **flow** » Fri Feb 17, 2017 3:34 am

No first round pick has played as little as he has. What context do you need?

coordinator0 · Post #13 » by **coordinator0** » Fri Feb 17, 2017 3:58 am

It's as simple as Harris, Morris, and Leuer being better players than Ellenson right now. And Johnson is more important, which pushes one or two of those guys to the rest of the minutes at the four. Van Gundy definitely wants to make the playoffs and I'm sure Gores is pushing for that as well so there's no time to develop a rookie in the rotation with so many solid+ guys ahead of him.

Even if Henry could play center, which I doubt he has the physicality to do so right now, he would be buried behind Drummond and Baynes too. Who knows with Marjanovic. There's just no minutes available for him right now. I don't fault Stan one bit in this case. There are other definite criticisms available to throw at him but this one is a stretch.

For what it's worth Ellenson fell to Detroit's pick for a reason. He wasn't any sure-thing prospect. I doubt he's good enough to play real NBA minutes right now unless he made a massive leap between last season and Marquette and now. Which isn't particularly likely.

Pharaoh · Post #14 » by **Pharaoh** » Fri Feb 17, 2017 5:58 am

flow wrote:No first round pick has played as little as he has. What context do you need?

No first round pick has 4 other guys in front of him that deserve minutes though

Who loses 10 minutes per game for Kingy?

Jon? Mook? Harris? SJ?

Even assuming Jon could play big minutes at C - you gonna sit Dre or Baynes to play Henry?

Or if you gonna play SJ more at SG does KCP sit so Kingy gets some burn?

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sc8581 · Post #15 » by **sc8581** » Fri Feb 17, 2017 6:17 am

Dude has looked awful when he has played, let him develop an NBA level skill of some type before he gets any meaningful minutes.

Alexander · Post #16 » by **Alexander** » Fri Feb 17, 2017 8:06 am

SMH@"Kingy".
I just can't.

El Chivo · Post #17 » by **El Chivo** » Fri Feb 17, 2017 8:32 am

the way he used 2nd round picks bothers me more. Gbinije and Hilliard are 25 and 24 yo scrubs without chances to be more than 13th man in a roster. at least other team tried to find gem in the rough and someone did.

Ellenson is a project, we can wait him for 2 years.

engelbert321 · Post #18 » by **engelbert321** » Fri Feb 17, 2017 8:56 am

Why the hell did we pick a big anyway. We badly needed a back up SG, and still do

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Pharaoh · Post #19 » by **Pharaoh** » Fri Feb 17, 2017 9:06 am

Alexander wrote:SMH@"Kingy".
I just can't.

It's an Aussie thing dude.

If you have the name Henry you get the nickname King...aka King Henry

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ElectricMayhem · Post #20 » by **ElectricMayhem** » Fri Feb 17, 2017 10:13 am

I expect to see him more next year. We won't have Baynes, Boban will probably only play limited minutes, and we may have to relieve ourselves of another forward if we want to both avoid the luxury tax and resign KCP.