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#1. We NEED to get rid of Reggie Jackson. The dude. He's clearly not well liked by his teammates (besides Dre). Weird personality. Seems sort of self-centered. Soft. Not tough. Certainly not smart. Makes a lot of bad decisions on the court. Horrid -- absolutely horrid -- defensively. What Damien Lillard was doing to him tonight, with ease.. was just so-so embarrassing. 16M per season for however many more seasons it is. Forget it. Trade him. Trade him for nothing for all I care. If you can get ANything of ANy value, it's a major coup. If you don't have to GIve up anything of value just to get rid of him, it's merely a steal.

#2. We NEED a starting point guard. Praise be to Ish Smith.. but he's a backup. In this league, with all these guys.. we need a point guard who's really a plus-plus defender. In this offense (hell, in this league), he's gonna need to be a plus outside shooter. He's gonna need to be an athlete who can play-make on the run (not unlike Ish). Guy who runs a mean pick and roll. If he can get to the rim, if he can create his own shots, if he can knock down mid-range'rs.. all the better. Sounds like a super-star, right? Well. That's what we need. We need to identify the next really great point guard in this league in the draft. Probably gonna have to -- hopefully can -- trade Dre and whatever picks we got to move up high enough to get him. **And what is Dre?? Lots of things. Anything special? Anything that 15 other guys in the league aren't? He's big. He's pretty athletic. He rebounds pretty well. He's got some defensive prowess. He can make easy shots around the rim. Occasionally knocks down a nice hook shot. Is any of that anything not regularly found throughout the league?? How about this. Lazy. Not improving at all. Can't even be on the court in crunch time (sure that'll never happen if we're ever an actual contender). The worst FT shooter of all time. Thinks he's a superstar and takes dumb shots. Isn't on the same page with our HC, often. He's not exactly irreplaceable.

#3. We need a wing who can really, really knock down 3's.. and who's a plus defender. Not THE easiest thing to find out there. Not the hardest either.

#4. Just kind of twirling this together..

C: Someone. Trade, FA, whatever. Not hard to find a decent center in the league.

PG: The stud -- probably need to trade Andre for a pick high enough to get Him.

SG: KCP. Our guy.

SF: ??? Our new guy.

PF: I like Marcus starting there. Really a good player. And brings much, much needed toughness.

F/C: Tobias. Yes, I said center. He can aptly guard most centers in this league. He can guard on the perimeter on switches. He'll hurt teams that try to muscle him offensively.

...ps --- get rid of Leuer along with Reggie. Guy's too stiff. Can't guard on the perimeter. Doesn't really make up well enough for it anywhere else either. Same to the extreme with Baynes and Boban. Get rid of them all. See what Ellenson can do in those 3rd center minutes.

F/G: Stanley. I actually really like him in a Draymond-ish role at the 4. Obviously can do that from a multitude of positions. Get him his minutes. Watch him develop.

PG: Ish. Dig him as a backup PG.





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Maybe that's a two or whatever year process. But that's what I think needs to be done.

C: ??? - - - Tobias, Ellenson
PF: Marcus - - -
SF: ??? - - - Stanley
SG: KCP - - -
PG: ??? (Trade Dre+1st) - - - Ish

Let Baynes and friends go. Dump Reggie, Leuer, Boban, etc.

#2 sounds like Prime Chris Paul

I get the frustration, but Tobias as a 5? C'mon now, he gets muscled at the 4. He'd get eaten alive at the 5.

I swear to God if we had Rubio instead of RJ it would make a world of difference!

Essentially playing the same style we play with Ish but for the whole game

Yeah yeah yeah Rubio has weaknesses - so does Ish and we seem to deal with them fine

Dre is not yet the biggest problem - RJ needs to shut it down now & come back in April

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Pharaoh wrote:I swear to God if we had Rubio instead of RJ it would make a world of difference!

Essentially playing the same style we play with Ish but for the whole game

Yeah yeah yeah Rubio has weaknesses - so does Ish and we seem to deal with them fine

Dre is not yet the biggest problem - RJ needs to shut it down now & come back in April

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I would love Rubio. You said it man, Rubio and Ish have similar weaknesses, but we seem to play just fine with Ish, so why not Rubio?

Both pass well and can push the tempo, but Rubio is a better defender or at least people say he is a better defender, haven't watched him too many games.

I don't think there was a reggie for Rubio trade available though, was probably Rubio for Marcus Morris or Stanley or something like that.

We need to DUMP reggie down the toilet. Turds away!

I wonder how Brandon Knight would do on this team now. I bet it would have been easy to do a 3 team trade with Phoenix involving RJ and BK. Then, Knight can backup Ish and KCP.

tmorgan wrote:I get the frustration, but Tobias as a 5? C'mon now, he gets muscled at the 4. He'd get eaten alive at the 5.

Small ball, man. Tobias isn't weak, and he's tough. He rises to physical challenges. Tall and long enough to stand up in there against most bigs. Is going to get out-muscled for boards, backed down, etc. occasionally. But he'll fight hard, and not have to play 40 minutes/game to stay fresh. And imagine what he could do to bigger centers other teams throw at him, on the offensive attack. It'd be a school session.

Pharaoh wrote:I swear to God if we had Rubio instead of RJ it would make a world of difference!

Essentially playing the same style we play with Ish but for the whole game

Yeah yeah yeah Rubio has weaknesses - so does Ish and we seem to deal with them fine

Dre is not yet the biggest problem - RJ needs to shut it down now & come back in April

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I'd like someone who plays better D than Rubio..

5 of the top 10 picks in this year's draft are projected to be PG's. Drummond and our mid-round pick should be enough to move up and grab the best or 2nd best.

Need to scout this one right.

blueadams wrote:

Pharaoh wrote:I swear to God if we had Rubio instead of RJ it would make a world of difference!

Essentially playing the same style we play with Ish but for the whole game

Yeah yeah yeah Rubio has weaknesses - so does Ish and we seem to deal with them fine

Dre is not yet the biggest problem - RJ needs to shut it down now & come back in April

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I'd like someone who plays better D than Rubio..

5 of the top 10 picks in this year's draft are projected to be PG's. Drummond and our mid-round pick should be enough to move up and grab the best or 2nd best.

Need to scout this one right.

Wolves fans have been telling people for years that Rubio is quality on D man so I'll listen to them cause they watch him all the time.

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I'm sorry but the only chance this team has of getting to championship level is IF Drummond takes it to the next level, he is our ONLY chance.
There is no way we're going to get that type of player back in a trade. We're not going to be bad enough to draft a superstar.

So are you really suggesting we build our team around KCP, Tobias, & Marcus Morris? That's a perennial 4th-8th seed at best unless we get a superstar point guard.

The idea that you can build a championship level team around a pg that can't shoot is pretty far fetched in the modern nba. If a guy like rubio could lead his team up the ladder, why hasn't he? Same for Ish. You can't really blame him for Phili, but the pistons were lotto team with him starting. (Not that we've been much better since). These guys are bench players on a good NBA team. They can get other bench guys open looks, so the offense looks OK even when your prime scorers aren't on the court.

For the pistons to be a contender, they need 1) to play much better defense consistently 2) Need a true #1 scoring option that can make shots when things bog down. Without those, we're going to just float up and down depending on whether jumpshots are falling. I think we were all hoping that Dre and SJ would have stepped up to solidify 1) and reggie could have built on his success last year in addressing 2).

blueadams wrote:
I'd like someone who plays better D than Rubio..

He's widely considered one of the league's best.

You have to give Dre the chance to improve with a PG that will demand effort out of him. I'm not talking a Chris Paul level talent but a floor general who will get in your face if he thinks you're not going 100%.

This of course means Reggie has to go. SVG knows it, NBA knows it, I'm sure his teammates know it. If you have to attach our #16-18 pick to ensure we don't get bamboozled...I'm ok with that. If he goes to a team and has a bit of a comeback with his heroball while still not involving his teammates...I'm ok with that.

This team has changed pieces, changed leaders and KCP is our best player now. Reggie was a stop gap and he's served his purpose. He needs to go.

Blow up the team, trade Reggie, Drummond. You can never win a championship with either.

bjones521 wrote:Blow up the team, trade Reggie, Drummond. You can never win a championship with either.

You can never win a serie or be top4 seed with these two suckers combining 1/3 of payroll.

We need to try Drummond with another starting caliber PG before we try to move him. He looked incredible with Jennings after Smith was gone, and he's had some bright moments with RJ when things were going well. Why anyone is ready to call it quits on him while he's playing with a sh*tty personality like Reggie is beyond me. We need a leader on the floor. Until one arrives in Detroit, we won't ever see Dre play his best ball consistently.


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Arp590 wrote:I'm sorry but the only chance this team has of getting to championship level is IF Drummond takes it to the next level, he is our ONLY chance.
There is no way we're going to get that type of player back in a trade. We're not going to be bad enough to draft a superstar.

So are you really suggesting we build our team around KCP, Tobias, & Marcus Morris? That's a perennial 4th-8th seed at best unless we get a superstar point guard.

i'd rather build this team around kcp, tobias harris, and stanley johnson...were not gettin anywhere with reggie and drummond as the leaders goin forward.

I hate Reggie. I like Dre.

I think we need a superstar PG. I think the draft is the only way we're going to get one. I think we'd have to trade Dre (probably in addition to our mid-1st rd pick) in order to get one. And I'd be fine with that. Dre's replaceable.

I think we're looking at at least a two year process here..

Step 1: Trade Reggie. And Leuer. And Boban. I don't care if we get anything back. Just hoping we don't have to give up anything of value to get rid of them.

Step 2: Trade Dre and our 1st rd pick for a pick high enough to get a superstar PG in this year's draft.

Step 3: Max out KCP, let all of our other FA's walk.

Step 4: Find a solid center and 3&D SF. Could be through trade (Reggie, Leuer, etc.). Could be through new cap space. Could be in the 18 draft.. we'll probably have a pretty nice pick.

C: ???
PF: Marcus
SF: ???
SG: KCP
PG: 17 1st

C/F: Tobias
F/G: Stanley
PG: Ish

Everyone calling for Reggie to be traded is failing to understand our salary cap issues

If we trade Reggie for expiring deals or nothing, who will be our PG?

We wont have the cap space to sign a huge PG and no one is trading one for Reggie so what do we do, run with Ish as our starter and sign a back up?

SVG put us in this situation. Should we buy him out like Josh Smith? Then we can pay 10-12M to guys who arent even on our roster!

This team is a joke, treadmill, not good enough to make higher than 8th seed in horrid east, and not bad enough to get a meaningful pick and when we have a pick we take losers like Stanley Johnson, who by the way is having a KILLER soph year lmfao

Like i said, team = joke, it's nearly as bad as the Dumars era except instead of total incompetence we have a GM/Coach that talks the talk and walks the walks (like 5% of the time)

For me right now it's not about trying to win a championship - we're years away from that regardless!

Right now it's about getting players here that can help our guys develop:

If you want KCP to have the ball more and put that responsibility on him then you get a PG that doesn't hold the ball for 14 seconds of the clock.

If you want Dre to grow in confidence and get easier offensive looks then you get a PG that can actually make plays

For me Rubio was never the final piece to the puzzle - simply a better piece than RJ for the next 2 years as we move away from endless PnR ball

Defenses are too sophisticated for us to play the way we play with the talent we have IMO

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