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PG George Hill. 20th highest RPM (Real Plus Minus) Ranking in the NBA. 5th highest among PG's (behind CP3, Lowry, Westbrook and Steph). 3rd highest Defensive RPM among PG's (behind CP3 and Beverley). 41% from 3 this season. 30, 6-3, 188. Made just $8M this season.

-Hill. RPM: 3.92, DRPM: 1.27, ORPM: 2.65
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-Reggie. RPM: -2.68, DRPM: -2.68, ORPM: 0.00
-Ish. RPM: -0.13, DRPM: 0.92, ORPM: -1.05

...If we could somehow get rid of Reggie, and sign Hill.. it might be a big time upgrade

C: Dewayne Dedmon. 17th highest RPM in the NBA. 2nd highest among C's (behind Gobert). 3rd highest Defensive RPM among C's (behind Gobert and Bogut). 72% from the FT stripe this season. 27, 7-0, 245. Made less than $3M this season.

-Dedmon. RPM: 4.08, DRPM: 4.30, ORPM: -0.22
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-Dre. RPM: -0.34, DRPM: 1.51, ORPM: -1.85
-Baynes. RPM: -0.33, DRPM: 1.88, ORPM: -2.21
-Boban. RPM: 0.60, DRPM: 1.57, ORPM: -0.97

If we wanted to swing Dre for a big-time asset, or just upgrade Baynes.. he could make a big difference!

SF: Joe Ingles. 43rd highest RPM in the NBA. 12th highest among SF's. Hitting 44% from 3 this season. 29, 6-8, 226. Made just $2.3M this season.

-Ingles. RPM: 2.15, DRPM: 0.30, ORPM: 1.85
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-Marcus. RPM: 1.68, DRPM: 0.88, ORPM: 0.80
-Tobias. RPM: -0.70, DRPM: -1.14, ORPM: 0.44
-Leuer. RPM: 0.58, DRPM: 0.85, ORPM: -0.27
-Stanley. RPM: -1.70, DRPM: 0.49, ORPM: -2.19


If we could somehow sign him, regardless of what else happens, either as a starter or off the bench, he'd add some much needed 3pt range and plus-average defense to our wing.










Move Reggie, Leuer and Boban's contracts to make cap space... (that'd be over $30M)

C: Dre - - - Dedmon, Ellenson
PF: Marcus - - - - - Tobias
SF: Ingles - - - - - 1st rd?
SG: KCP - - - - - Stanley
PG: Hill - - - - - Ish, Gbinije

Hill and Dedmond are about to get paid. Dedmond will probably be a full time starter if the Spurs can keep him next year. Hill is averaging like 17 pts a game with really good shooting numbers.

Joe Ingles will get good money, but probably be really selective. Teams will overpay for the shooting and ignore the fact that he really is just a good shooter and not much else.

I'd like to sign Dedmon simply to continue the trend of taking the Spurs backup centers.

If KCP gets paid MAX or very near MAX we'll probably have zero money to spend on FAs... Even Baynes is likely to get 4 years $48 million and we'll have to settle on adding nothing but a draft pick and a minimum salary type FA most likely.

Going to be hard to find any other team to take Reggie as a backup for his price tag and most likely only 2 or 3 teams in the NBA would consider starting him given their current starting PGs. Not likely he is moved unless he shows us something this final 4th of the season.

bstein14 wrote:If KCP gets paid MAX or very near MAX we'll probably have zero money to spend on FAs... Even Baynes is likely to get 4 years $48 million and we'll have to settle on adding nothing but a draft pick and a minimum salary type FA most likely.

Going to be hard to find any other team to take Reggie as a backup for his price tag and most likely only 2 or 3 teams in the NBA would consider starting him given their current starting PGs. Not likely he is moved unless he shows us something this final 4th of the season.

Yeah but there are moves we can do. I`m not saying we should, but we could for example, trade Reggie and our first to Philly for cap space and sign George Hill before sign KCP.

bballnmike wrote:I'd like to sign Dedmon simply to continue the trend of taking the Spurs backup centers.

he's definitely on the radar you'd have to think. unless something happens trade-wise to clear up cap space we're only going to have the MLE which is about $8 million if i remember correctly.

he'd likely fit in that price range (been making close to the minimum his whole career, signed a deal for less than $3 million last offseason when guys like festus ezeli, boban, etc. got $7 million + (shout out to miles plumlee making $12.5 million a year!). dedmon's had a big impact for the spurs this year in 17 minutes a game. his numbers are comparable/a little better than baynes this year. i don't think he has the skill that baynes has (jump shot, hook shot) but i might be wrong.

bstein14 wrote:If KCP gets paid MAX or very near MAX we'll probably have zero money to spend on FAs... Even Baynes is likely to get 4 years $48 million and we'll have to settle on adding nothing but a draft pick and a minimum salary type FA most likely.

Going to be hard to find any other team to take Reggie as a backup for his price tag and most likely only 2 or 3 teams in the NBA would consider starting him given their current starting PGs. Not likely he is moved unless he shows us something this final 4th of the season.

Not that I'm suggesting it but wouldn't we be able to pay Baynes just about that amount if not more? Everybody keeps saying we'll be losing him, but a 4 year deal starting out at $11 million per (which is what we can start him out at) would get you close to $48 million. Is somebody really going to give him that much? I think we'd be able to keep him at 3 years and $30 million and trade Boban.

DetroitSho wrote:

bstein14 wrote:If KCP gets paid MAX or very near MAX we'll probably have zero money to spend on FAs... Even Baynes is likely to get 4 years $48 million and we'll have to settle on adding nothing but a draft pick and a minimum salary type FA most likely.

Going to be hard to find any other team to take Reggie as a backup for his price tag and most likely only 2 or 3 teams in the NBA would consider starting him given their current starting PGs. Not likely he is moved unless he shows us something this final 4th of the season.

Not that I'm suggesting it but wouldn't we be able to pay Baynes just about that amount if not more? Everybody keeps saying we'll be losing him, but a 4 year deal starting out at $11 million per (which is what we can start him out at) would get you close to $48 million. Is somebody really going to give him that much? I think we'd be able to keep him at 3 years and $30 million and trade Boban.

we would still be over the cap because we maxed out Dre after we did all of our signing, we arent signing anyone in free agency this year, draft and trades are our only hope for improvements.

I think we have the ML which is around 6 milions. I can see us paying the ML to someone like McLemore and drafting a center. Patton or J.Allen fit the mold of what we need.

Deadman is a bit overrated if people think he is a full time starter. But, he is a solid backup. I watched him for a couple years in Orlando. High motor guy with below average hands and low BBIQ. But, has a high motor, can get blocks and is finally learning how to rebound. The Spurs excellent system sort of masks his deficiencies. I would gladly take him as a great backup to Drummond tho.

DET_Athletics wrote:

DetroitSho wrote:

bstein14 wrote:If KCP gets paid MAX or very near MAX we'll probably have zero money to spend on FAs... Even Baynes is likely to get 4 years $48 million and we'll have to settle on adding nothing but a draft pick and a minimum salary type FA most likely.

Going to be hard to find any other team to take Reggie as a backup for his price tag and most likely only 2 or 3 teams in the NBA would consider starting him given their current starting PGs. Not likely he is moved unless he shows us something this final 4th of the season.

Not that I'm suggesting it but wouldn't we be able to pay Baynes just about that amount if not more? Everybody keeps saying we'll be losing him, but a 4 year deal starting out at $11 million per (which is what we can start him out at) would get you close to $48 million. Is somebody really going to give him that much? I think we'd be able to keep him at 3 years and $30 million and trade Boban.

we would still be over the cap because we maxed out Dre after we did all of our signing, we arent signing anyone in free agency this year, draft and trades are our only hope for improvements.

I think you missed my point. I was speaking strictly about Baynes' contract situation and what could be offered. I think everyone automatically assumes that he's pricing himself out but that might not be the case.

Not a free agent but I wouldn't mind giving Kay Felder a look. Im sure we wouldn't have to give up much, Kyrie isn't going anywhere anytime soon.

DetroitSho wrote:

DET_Athletics wrote:

DetroitSho wrote:Not that I'm suggesting it but wouldn't we be able to pay Baynes just about that amount if not more? Everybody keeps saying we'll be losing him, but a 4 year deal starting out at $11 million per (which is what we can start him out at) would get you close to $48 million. Is somebody really going to give him that much? I think we'd be able to keep him at 3 years and $30 million and trade Boban.

we would still be over the cap because we maxed out Dre after we did all of our signing, we arent signing anyone in free agency this year, draft and trades are our only hope for improvements.

I think you missed my point. I was speaking strictly about Baynes' contract situation and what could be offered. I think everyone automatically assumes that he's pricing himself out but that might not be the case.

no, i think your missing the point. we signed him to a 2 year with a player opinion, you need to have a player under contract for a minimum of three years to be able to offer him money once you are over the cap. even if we didn't sign Ish and Boban last year once we maxed out Dre we would be hard pressed to offer him the same contract he has now, let alone an increase, hence the moves we made last summer.

DET_Athletics wrote:

DetroitSho wrote:

DET_Athletics wrote:we would still be over the cap because we maxed out Dre after we did all of our signing, we arent signing anyone in free agency this year, draft and trades are our only hope for improvements.

I think you missed my point. I was speaking strictly about Baynes' contract situation and what could be offered. I think everyone automatically assumes that he's pricing himself out but that might not be the case.

no, i think your missing the point. we signed him to a 2 year with a player opinion, you need to have a player under contract for a minimum of three years to be able to offer him money once you are over the cap. even if we didn't sign Ish and Boban last year once we maxed out Dre we would be hard pressed to offer him the same contract he has now, let alone an increase, hence the moves we made last summer.

i understand that your saying he could possibly be had at a reasonable price, but we wouldn't have been able to afford that.

JohnReese wrote:I think we have the ML which is around 6 milions. I can see us paying the ML to someone like McLemore and drafting a center. Patton or J.Allen fit the mold of what we need.

i think we need Allen above all. patton has more bounce in his step, but you can actually see potential for his offensive game developing, i dont see that with patton.

DET_Athletics wrote:

DetroitSho wrote:

DET_Athletics wrote:we would still be over the cap because we maxed out Dre after we did all of our signing, we arent signing anyone in free agency this year, draft and trades are our only hope for improvements.

I think you missed my point. I was speaking strictly about Baynes' contract situation and what could be offered. I think everyone automatically assumes that he's pricing himself out but that might not be the case.

no, i think your missing the point. we signed him to a 2 year with a player opinion, you need to have a player under contract for a minimum of three years to be able to offer him money once you are over the cap. even if we didn't sign Ish and Boban last year once we maxed out Dre we would be hard pressed to offer him the same contract he has now, let alone an increase, hence the moves we made last summer.

So having Baynes' Early Bird rights doesn't allow them to go over the cap?

Makes a thread about underrated FA targets, starts with a guy whose likely to get $20 mil a year.

The Penguin wrote::lol: Makes a thread about underrated FA targets, starts with a guy whose likely to get $20 mil a year.

Wait you think George Hill might actually get $20 million? Oh lord what is going on in the world where this guy is getting $20 million? I need a Tylenol.

The likes of Turner, Mozgov, Crabbe, Johnson got around $17 mil if memory serves

George Hill gonna get $20 mil if he wants it since he's a legit starter and proven commodity

KCP looking at over $20 mil too

A dude like Hayward is gonna get the max and anything less will be considered a good deal.

Of course that doesn't mean your team has to go that high for a FA - but the market is what it is

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DetroitSho wrote:

DET_Athletics wrote:

DetroitSho wrote:I think you missed my point. I was speaking strictly about Baynes' contract situation and what could be offered. I think everyone automatically assumes that he's pricing himself out but that might not be the case.

no, i think your missing the point. we signed him to a 2 year with a player opinion, you need to have a player under contract for a minimum of three years to be able to offer him money once you are over the cap. even if we didn't sign Ish and Boban last year once we maxed out Dre we would be hard pressed to offer him the same contract he has now, let alone an increase, hence the moves we made last summer.

So having Baynes' Early Bird rights doesn't allow them to go over the cap?

no, because he only signed for 2 years and is going to opt of the third?