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Reggie Jackson's "Dark Days"
Posted: Tue Mar 7, 2017 1:13 am
by A_dub06
http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/245202/Reggie-Jackson-Has-Had-Some-Dark-Days-This-Season-Before-Tuning-Out-MediaReggie Jackson said he has tuned out all media the last few weeks, but he admitted he heard the criticism earlier this year.
The Detroit Pistons developed another identity when Jackson was out earlier this season after undergoing a platelet-rich plasma injection to treat his left knee tendinitis.
“I could probably not play for the next 10 games and we lost all 10, it’s probably going to be my fault,” Jackson said. “That’s the outside world, that’s the name of the game. That’s how it goes.
“I don’t really listen to it. I can’t control that. I’m just going to control what I control. When I come out here, I’m going to compete to the best of my ability and compete as hard as I can.”
There have been questions as to whether Jackson's drop in production is related to lingering knee issues.
Jackson and the Pistons say he’s fine, but Jackson thinks it more a matter of Van Gundy trying to diversify the offense, a decision Van Gundy made when he saw an ineffective Jackson.
“Maybe it used to (bother me), but that’s why literally I can’t recall an article I’ve read, I can’t really recall watching any interviews — especially since two weeks starting before (the NBA All-Star break),” Jackson said. “I’ve literally just learned to tune out all fans. I’m just coming in here, coming out to do my job each and every day. When this game’s done, it’s done, but I could really (not) care less about anybody else’s opinion anymore.
“I’ve had some dark days throughout the season, but I’ve turned off all the media, I’ve turned everything else off. I’ve been happier in life.”
Its clear to almost everyone that Reggie has worn out his welcome and his ignorance to understanding the game has been quoted many times but this article to me takes the cake.
“I could probably not play for the next 10 games and we lost all 10, it’s probably going to be my fault,” Jackson said. “That’s the outside world, that’s the name of the game. That’s how it goes."
Reggie actually believes that he isn't the problem, that he's playing the right way and being targeted is simply because thats what happens in pro sport. It astounds me that Jackson played so well in his first half season with us and then immediately declined. I believe his play back then was symptomatic of not thinking it was his team and he had an actual duty to set up his teammates and pass the rock. I don't think we should sell low on Jackson when we're already capped out but the day this bum is traded will be one to remember. Here's to hoping we loose the remainder of our games and win the lottery to land Faultz or Ball
Re: Reggie Jackson's "Dark Days"
Posted: Tue Mar 7, 2017 1:15 am
by ComboGuardCity
The amount people have crucified Reggie. People acting like we were a top 5 team before he came back.
Re: Reggie Jackson's "Dark Days"
Posted: Tue Mar 7, 2017 1:20 am
by mattao313
That statement he made is true no matter how much you dislike him
Re: Reggie Jackson's "Dark Days"
Posted: Tue Mar 7, 2017 1:26 am
by MrBigShot
To a far lesser extent I'd say its similar to Derrick Rose's situation in Chicago. When he was healthy he was the best player on a contender playing his style, and after all of the injuries he's a net negative while still remaining a similar player stylistically (albeit not attacking the rim as aggressively as he once did).
Hero ball or not we had a pretty solid season last year with Reggie leading the way. When he's healthy he's Mr. 4th quarter and he can win you games by himself like that unforgettable 26 point 4th quarter performance against the Blazers, but right now he's not healthy and he's still trying to play the same style at the detriment of the team. Obviously Reggie last year wasn't the player prime Drose was, but you guys get the idea. Where SVG goes from here or whether Reggie can ever get back to the level he was playing at last year, I'm not sure. But right now Ish is the better PG for us.
Re: Reggie Jackson's "Dark Days"
Posted: Tue Mar 7, 2017 1:31 am
by A_dub06
Reggie has played terribly since being back and he rarely tries to get his teammates involved so while we have issues with the team regardless of him, I still think its obvious he's the biggest problem with the team. If we have a point guard that just aimlessly pounds the rock until the shot clock almost expires and the force up a bad shot, isn't that his fault?
I don't expect Jackson to publicly take responsibility and rip into himself but to completely deflect it all shows how ignorant he is. Its obvious to anyone that we need to share the ball more, commit to defence, and actually play as a team instead of a group of individuals. Trading Reggie won't completely solve all of our issues but I still think the criticism is completely warranted/deserved.
Re: Reggie Jackson's "Dark Days"
Posted: Tue Mar 7, 2017 1:36 am
by Pharaoh
IF he competed as hard as he can on D
IF he pushed the pace offensively
IF he was a willing passer
His personal stats mean absolutely nothing to me - I wanna see him be a leader of the team as opposed to being a me-first guy.
And I'll say that about any player on any team so RJ isn't a unique case - play the right way, lead your team and then you'll be loved.
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Re: Reggie Jackson's "Dark Days"
Posted: Tue Mar 7, 2017 3:30 am
by Manocad
What a bunch of BS. There isn't a fan on the planet who would blame a non-playing player for any loss; that's just stupid. If you play well the fans love you; if you don't, they don't. THAT'S sports and if you're too candy-assed to accept that, don't take a job making millions of dollars to play a f***ing game, ya sissy bitch.
Re: Reggie Jackson's "Dark Days"
Posted: Tue Mar 7, 2017 4:03 am
by DBC10
A_dub06 wrote:Reggie has played terribly since being back and he rarely tries to get his teammates involved so while we have issues with the team regardless of him, I still think its obvious he's the biggest problem with the team. If we have a point guard that just aimlessly pounds the rock until the shot clock almost expires and the force up a bad shot, isn't that his fault?
I don't expect Jackson to publicly take responsibility and rip into himself but to completely deflect it all shows how ignorant he is. Its obvious to anyone that we need to share the ball more, commit to defence, and actually play as a team instead of a group of individuals. Trading Reggie won't completely solve all of our issues but I still think the criticism is completely warranted/deserved.
Yeah, trading him won't solve all of our issues, we still have to iron out the kinks in becoming a full-fledged motion offense/dribble handoff type team. We've shown flashes of it and we can look deadly in spurts because of it.
But having said that, this comment was unwarranted, which again go with the passive aggressiveness of his attitude, It doesn't sit well with me hearing RJ say that since it's kind of silly. This is a case where a generic PR answer would've been more than sufficient ("team plays hard, fans are great but rightly vocal, have to personally play better, etc").
Re: Reggie Jackson's "Dark Days"
Posted: Tue Mar 7, 2017 4:19 am
by Cowology
Reggie has NOT been the scapegoat for everything. KCP was a lightning rod earlier in the season. Stanley & Dre have both been heavily criticized at times. Morris & Leuer have had their ups and downs. We've lamented our lack of depth at SG and SVG himself has come under fire for some of his decisions.
But ya know what? Most guys in Reggie's situation would do a little soul searching and figure out how they can best help the team. Reggies philosophy is to simply put his head in the sand, insist everything is fine and keep doing the same thing he's always done. He openly flaunts his unwillingness to grow and adapt.
You think Harris really wanted to come off the bench? You think Stanley is happy with his minutes? But the are willing to accept their roles and give their best effort. This poor Reggie stuff is bull. Put your big boy pants on and get over it.
Re: Reggie Jackson's "Dark Days"
Posted: Tue Mar 7, 2017 4:21 am
by Pharaoh
Think his quotes just illustrate the "ideally I run PnR all my life & win a ring that way" attitude.
His issues are mostly mental IMO & I don't see that changing soon
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Re: Reggie Jackson's "Dark Days"
Posted: Tue Mar 7, 2017 5:37 am
by theBigLip
I think I'm in the minority here, but I think Reggie is doing some soul searching and as he said, doing things that he can control and not worrying about those he can't (media, etc). That's a pretty healthy attitude. Hopefully his knee keeps getting stronger and he also figures out what SVG wants him to do. It is very possible that he wins us some key games down the stretch, and dare I say, maybe even a playoff game or two?
(Of course, don't look up any of my posts from 3-4 weeks ago when I was willing to trade him for a 2nd round pick and some expirings)
Re: Reggie Jackson's "Dark Days"
Posted: Tue Mar 7, 2017 5:44 am
by Pharaoh
The guy is obviously talented and has certain skills that are glorious...
But it's his inability to understand the game within the game that bugs me because he's the PG
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Re: Reggie Jackson's "Dark Days"
Posted: Tue Mar 7, 2017 5:51 am
by DocRI
bballnmike wrote:Interesting article that came out today on Reggie. Fitting that he has his best game immediately after. Some good insights into Reggie and locker room. SVG is pissed about how much blame Reggie has been getting.
Basically he admits he's had some dark days this season. He's been completely blocking out criticism and rumors lately, appreciates the support from SVG, Drummond, and Ish. Imo, he's probably still a little reluctant to admit some of his faults vs just blaming it on not playing pick and roll.
But still a good read, and funny to look at now after he goes and has his best game of the season.
http://www.freep.com/story/sports/nba/pistons/2017/03/06/pistons-reggie-jackson-ish-smith/98774246/
bballnmike, I'm quoting your post from the game thread over here 'cuz I think the link to the
ACTUAL article needs to be posted in this thread and I want to give you full credit for originally posting it.
I'm not going to defend Reggie or argue about what he said, but as a former journalist, it's my professional opinion that RealGM did an absolute
HATCHET JOB on Vince Ellis' piece. Like to the point that it literally disgusts me; it's the definition of "creative editing" to make a story fit your "narrative." I don't want to sound like the old guy shouting at kids to get off his lawn (especially 'cuz I'm still not all that old yet!), but back in my day, if I'd cut out literally all of the coach's quotes like RealGM did because it didn't fit the story I wanted to write, I'd have been fired.
This is a
VERY good topic for conversation and, as Pistons fans, we should absolutely have it. But we should have it about the Ellis' article on the Free Press web site, not over RealGM's cliff-notes version.
Re: Reggie Jackson's "Dark Days"
Posted: Tue Mar 7, 2017 6:58 am
by El Chivo
We basically are a 50% team with or without Reggie, so he's not the murderer.
Reggie Jackson's "Dark Days"
Posted: Tue Mar 7, 2017 6:58 am
by A_dub06
DocRI wrote:bballnmike, I'm quoting your post from the game thread over here 'cuz I think the link to the ACTUAL article needs to be posted in this thread and I want to give you full credit for originally posting it.
If you look at his post in the game thread you will see that he posted that 2 hours AFTER I made my thread so no, I'll keep the credit thanks
The Detroit free press article elaborated a little and included SVG defending Jackson a little but I really don't feel that it was more objective by any means. SVG isn't going I come out and flat out say Jacksons a problem especially if we're trying to trade him away.
Jackson denied that the problem was him in both articles. I don't think it really matter which article you use...
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Re: Reggie Jackson's
Posted: Tue Mar 7, 2017 8:14 am
by DocRI
A_dub06 wrote:DocRI wrote:bballnmike, I'm quoting your post from the game thread over here 'cuz I think the link to the ACTUAL article needs to be posted in this thread and I want to give you full credit for originally posting it.
If you look at his post in the game thread you will see that he posted that 2 hours AFTER I made my thread so no, I'll keep the credit thanks
The Detroit free press article elaborated a little and included SVG defending Jackson a little but I really don't feel that it was more objective by any means. SVG isn't going I come out and flat out say Jacksons a problem especially if we're trying to trade him away.
Jackson denied that the problem was him in both articles. I don't think it really matter which article you use...
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You get zero credit. One is a truncated, summarized, manipulatively-edited version that doesn't even credit Vince Ellis as the original source. The other is the actual original source material. Like I said in my previous post, you read and posted about the Cliff Notes, while bballnmike read the novel (and posted a link). And the very fact that you "don't think it really matter which article you use" proves my point, because to
HAVE that opinion, you needed to read them
BOTH. But the point is that you shouldn't even be allowed to have that opinion, because everyone should respect the writer and read his whole damn piece. Frankly, I'm not even sure how it's legal for RealGM to take Ellis' article, edit it per their discretion, and then post it as their own WireTap article without attributing Vince Ellis as the source or linking to his piece on the Free Press site. I know this is a hoops site, but by my count RealGM violated their own rules about quoting more than three paragraphs from an outside piece without linking to it! That's copyright infringement, and trust me — writers take that
VERY seriously.
EDITED TO ADD: I stand corrected — at the very bottom of the article, there's a link to the full piece. Still seems
REALLY **** to me to repackage another writer's work in that manner, and I still stand by my assertion that anyone who wants to discuss this piece should actually
READ THE WHOLE DAMN PIECE, not just the pieces RealGM decided to quote.
Re: Reggie Jackson's
Posted: Tue Mar 7, 2017 9:40 am
by A_dub06
DocRI wrote:
You get zero credit. One is a truncated, summarized, manipulatively-edited version that doesn't even credit Vince Ellis as the original source. The other is the actual original source material. Like I said in my previous post, you read and posted about the Cliff Notes, while bballnmike read the novel (and posted a link). And the very fact that you "don't think it really matter which article you use" proves my point, because to HAVE that opinion, you needed to read them BOTH. But the point is that you shouldn't even be allowed to have that opinion, because everyone should respect the writer and read his whole damn piece. Frankly, I'm not even sure how it's legal for RealGM to take Ellis' article, edit it per their discretion, and then post it as their own WireTap article without attributing Vince Ellis as the source or linking to his piece on the Free Press site. I know this is a hoops site, but by my count RealGM violated their own rules about quoting more than three paragraphs from an outside piece without linking to it! That's copyright infringement, and trust me — writers take that VERY seriously.
EDITED TO ADD: I stand corrected — at the very bottom of the article, there's a link to the full piece. Still seems REALLY **** to me to repackage another writer's work in that manner, and I still stand by my assertion that anyone who wants to discuss this piece should actually READ THE WHOLE DAMN PIECE, not just the pieces RealGM decided to quote.
You think that I didn't read the original article which was linked in the RealGM article? (HINT: I did). I linked the RealGM article more than 2 hours prior to Ballnmike, no disrespect to him but I kickstarted this discussion surrounding Reggie's recent comments which were listed in the article. I don't care if you are a former journalist, it doesn't make your OPINION any more valid than others so get off your high horse and stop being a pompous ass. To take this further, please illustrate how RealGM took an axe to the original article to make a story to suit they're purpose. The underlying message is the same! SVG only said what he did to try and make it seem like Reggie isn't the problem to try and regain his trade value.
The quote from SVG in the original article was:
“ The thing I’m getting tired of is acting like whatever problems we have is all one guy. We have a lot of guys who haven’t played well lately so for whatever reason it’s all fallen on one guy. It’s really (expletive), and I’m getting a little tired of it to be honest.”
To which Jackson's response was:
" I’m happy he got my back, but a lot of it is a result of what happened at the beginning of the year. He had comments, coach, unfortunately, that we got worse since I got back. We had the team meeting where everybody knows was geared toward myself, and that’s where you’re gonna look."
Leaving these quotes out doesn't change the narrative nor did it make any of the RealGM quotes invalid. Both articles discuss Jackson's regressive play and include quotes where he blatantly deflects the blame.
"We had the team meeting where everybody knows was geared toward myself, and that’s where you’re gonna look". That's Reggie in his own words saying he was only targeted as the problem due to the perception created from the team meeting. Reggie is completely in denial and doesn't understand why he's being accused which game tape and stats show. There's no way SVG and the coaching staff haven't shown Reggie game tape and where he went wrong which can only mean that he doesn't understand the intricate aspects of the game.
Re: Reggie Jackson's "Dark Days"
Posted: Tue Mar 7, 2017 12:12 pm
by Kilo
He's such a victim.
Re: Reggie Jackson's "Dark Days"
Posted: Tue Mar 7, 2017 1:56 pm
by BadMofoPimp
I think Reggie had been lurking the Pistons board on RealGM and it affected his play.
Re: Reggie Jackson's "Dark Days"
Posted: Tue Mar 7, 2017 3:16 pm
by JLiv
All I know is since February, we are 10-5. We cannot blame the dark December and January days completely on Reggie, and I don't know if he should be exiled for being hurt and thrown into the fire. Although he isn't a "championship point guard", we can win with him.