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While there have been many, svg biggest mistake this season is one that even the Orlando magic finals team can relate to. When svg coached the magic, jammeer Nelson was the starting pg and rarer Alston was the backup. I don't quite remember when exactly, but either right before or during the early part of the magic playoff run jameer Nelson got hurt and it bumped rafer Alston to starter. Rafer basically lead the team as the starter all the way to the finals and before game 1 it was announced that jameer Nelson was back. Rafer had been on a roll leading the magic as the starter and rather than keep the rhythm going, svg benched rafer for jameer coming off injury and you know how the series played out.

This season, ish smith had the team playing really good prior to Reggie coming back and... svg basically did what he did in Orlando in Detroit and just handed Reggie back the starting spot. Need I say more


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Pretty big difference between the NBA Finals & the 2nd month of the regular season.

The biggest mistake is build the team around a dumb guy like Drummond. He cannot defend, shoot FT or put a screen.

Has RJ not sat out the last 2 games? was RJ not coming off the bench the 3-4 games before that?

We have just been playing bad ball

JohnReese wrote:The biggest mistake is build the team around a dumb guy like Drummond. He cannot defend, shoot FT or put a screen.

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If the season is defined as July 1st-June 30th, I think SVG's biggest mistake was in not better checking up on Reggie Jackson and his known-bum knees and collapsing on the court during the off-season. Whatever conditioning plan RJ did in the offseason resulted in him being hurt and gassed. Returning him to the starting lineup right away was bad from the get-go, too.

SVG's (& Gores') biggest mistake was assuming this fanbase actually wanted a "win enough" team straight away as opposed to a Hinkie Special!

Maybe over the last 2 seasons tanking has become more acceptable or maybe this fanbase just can't make up it's mind but the chorus for tanking is much louder now than at any time before on Real GM

Are these Pistons the team we deserve?

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Pharaoh wrote:SVG's (& Gores') biggest mistake was assuming this fanbase actually wanted a "win enough" team straight away as opposed to a Hinkie Special!

Maybe over the last 2 seasons tanking has become more acceptable or maybe this fanbase just can't make up it's mind but the chorus for tanking is much louder now than at any time before on Real GM

Are these Pistons the team we deserve?

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How many superstars has the last 2 drafts produced out of the top 5 picks in each class?

Pharaoh wrote:SVG's (& Gores') biggest mistake was assuming this fanbase actually wanted a "win enough" team straight away as opposed to a Hinkie Special!

Maybe over the last 2 seasons tanking has become more acceptable or maybe this fanbase just can't make up it's mind but the chorus for tanking is much louder now than at any time before on Real GM

Are these Pistons the team we deserve?

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8 years of mediocrity - one of them crowned by a sweep in 1st round - are enough. don't you agree?

wouldn't have been better if we were terrible for a couple of years, picked more promising youngsters and then tried to build?

I don't see more than 5 or 6 franchises in a situation worse than our.

even Sacto will enjoy a couple of good picks - unless something strange happens - and some young players with upside on a rookie contract.

StunnaStan wrote:While there have been many, svg biggest mistake this season is one that even the Orlando magic finals team can relate to. When svg coached the magic, jammeer Nelson was the starting pg and rarer Alston was the backup. I don't quite remember when exactly, but either right before or during the early part of the magic playoff run jameer Nelson got hurt and it bumped rafer Alston to starter. Rafer basically lead the team as the starter all the way to the finals and before game 1 it was announced that jameer Nelson was back. Rafer had been on a roll leading the magic as the starter and rather than keep the rhythm going, svg benched rafer for jameer coming off injury and you know how the series played out.

This season, ish smith had the team playing really good prior to Reggie coming back and... svg basically did what he did in Orlando in Detroit and just handed Reggie back the starting spot. Need I say more


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Mind blowing and eye opening. No need to say more. SVG is a paint by the numbers guy, a rich mans Lawrence Frank. Great teacher, bad decision maker. I wish he would hire a better coach.

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Pharaoh wrote:SVG's (& Gores') biggest mistake was assuming this fanbase actually wanted a "win enough" team straight away as opposed to a Hinkie Special!

Maybe over the last 2 seasons tanking has become more acceptable or maybe this fanbase just can't make up it's mind but the chorus for tanking is much louder now than at any time before on Real GM

Are these Pistons the team we deserve?

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8 years of mediocrity - one of them crowned by a sweep in 1st round - are enough. don't you agree?

wouldn't have been better if we were terrible for a couple of years, picked more promising youngsters and then tried to build?

I don't see more than 5 or 6 franchises in a situation worse than our.

even Sacto will enjoy a couple of good picks - unless something strange happens - and some young players with upside on a rookie contract.

What could have or should have happened is irrelevant though

As you said we're looking at 8 years of mediocrity - if you take the tanking option now it's approaching 12!

Surely that's not something Gores is gonna want?

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BadMofoPimp wrote:

Pharaoh wrote:SVG's (& Gores') biggest mistake was assuming this fanbase actually wanted a "win enough" team straight away as opposed to a Hinkie Special!

Maybe over the last 2 seasons tanking has become more acceptable or maybe this fanbase just can't make up it's mind but the chorus for tanking is much louder now than at any time before on Real GM

Are these Pistons the team we deserve?

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How many superstars has the last 2 drafts produced out of the top 5 picks in each class?

I don't know? None?

Is that your point?

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Pharaoh wrote:

El Chivo wrote:

Pharaoh wrote:SVG's (& Gores') biggest mistake was assuming this fanbase actually wanted a "win enough" team straight away as opposed to a Hinkie Special!

Maybe over the last 2 seasons tanking has become more acceptable or maybe this fanbase just can't make up it's mind but the chorus for tanking is much louder now than at any time before on Real GM

Are these Pistons the team we deserve?

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8 years of mediocrity - one of them crowned by a sweep in 1st round - are enough. don't you agree?

wouldn't have been better if we were terrible for a couple of years, picked more promising youngsters and then tried to build?

I don't see more than 5 or 6 franchises in a situation worse than our.

even Sacto will enjoy a couple of good picks - unless something strange happens - and some young players with upside on a rookie contract.

What could have or should have happened is irrelevant though

As you said we're looking at 8 years of mediocrity - if you take the tanking option now it's approaching 12!

Surely that's not something Gores is gonna want?

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Gores will reluctantly have to oblige if he wants any long-term continuity. Because constantly rebuilding with the 8th (give or take) picks is the reason we're in this mess to begin with. Overvaluing our 7,8, 9 picks and throwing money to fringe-allstars.

At least if we tank, we could possibly break this perpetual cycle of 8th pick range madness and have hope for the future for our top 5 picks turning into superstars. Which have higher rates of them turning into stars historically than picking 8+. The dropoff in that rate for picks outside the top 5 turning into stars are huge.

Pharaoh wrote:

BadMofoPimp wrote:

Pharaoh wrote:SVG's (& Gores') biggest mistake was assuming this fanbase actually wanted a "win enough" team straight away as opposed to a Hinkie Special!

Maybe over the last 2 seasons tanking has become more acceptable or maybe this fanbase just can't make up it's mind but the chorus for tanking is much louder now than at any time before on Real GM

Are these Pistons the team we deserve?

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How many superstars has the last 2 drafts produced out of the top 5 picks in each class?

I don't know? None?

Is that your point?

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My point is tanking usually does jack crap for organizations 75-90% of the time.

Okay ...

Top Scorers in the NBA who aren't Top-5 picks:

#3 Isaiah Thomas (a f***ing 60th pick)
#5 DeMar DeRozan (9th pick)
#7 Damian Lillard (6th pick)
#9 Kawhi Leonard (15th pick... the same year we drafted Knight )
#12 Stephen Curry (7th pick)
#14 Jimmy Butler (a crazy 30th pick)
#16 CJ McCollum (10th pick)
#17 Giannis Antetokounmpo (15th pick)
#20 Kemba Walker (9th pick)
#21 Paul George (10th pick)
#22 Kyle Lowry (24th pick)
#24 Klay Thompson (11th pick)
#25 Devin Booker (13th pick
#26 Gordon Hayward (9th pick)


The list continues and it's really impressive, and I could do the same with another categories aside from scoring. In this league it's all about development of your prospects and to find them a core who fit with them to improve at their best.

That's the only thing I'm concerned about SVG. Most of those players has been developed because their teams wanted to compete, not tanking and giving them free balls, but it seems like SVG really found hard to compete inserting young prospects into rotation.

Aside from that, all the blame SVG is receiving is maniac Toddy type of hate, and it's ridiculous because if you guys had high expectations at the beginning of this season, if was mainly due to him and his acquisitions. Do I need to post here what roster and situation this team had when SVG came here?

In SVG We Trust wrote:Okay ...

Top Scorers in the NBA who aren't Top-5 picks:

#3 Isaiah Thomas (a f***ing 60th pick)
#5 DeMar DeRozan (9th pick)
#7 Damian Lillard (6th pick)
#9 Kawhi Leonard (15th pick... the same year we drafted Knight )
#12 Stephen Curry (7th pick)
#14 Jimmy Butler (a crazy 30th pick)
#16 CJ McCollum (10th pick)
#17 Giannis Antetokounmpo (15th pick)
#20 Kemba Walker (9th pick)
#21 Paul George (10th pick)
#22 Kyle Lowry (24th pick)
#24 Klay Thompson (11th pick)
#25 Devin Booker (13th pick
#26 Gordon Hayward (9th pick)


The list continues and it's really impressive, and I could do the same with another categories aside from scoring. In this league it's all about development of your prospects and to find them a core who fit with them to improve at their best.

That's the only thing I'm concerned about SVG. Most of those players has been developed because their teams wanted to compete, not tanking and giving them free balls, but it seems like SVG really found hard to compete inserting young prospects into rotation.

Aside from that, all the blame SVG is receiving is maniac Toddy type of hate, and it's ridiculous because if you guys had high expectations at the beginning of this season, if was mainly due to him and his acquisitions. Do I need to post here what roster and situation this team had when SVG came here?

People don't want to talk about how high they were in October...they wanna believe that tanking is the answer because young talent = hope for the future.

People are blinded by the hope that 18-22 year old rookies provide as opposed to hope 20-24 year old pros provide.

The wheels apparently have fallen off the bangwagon and crushed our objectivity and intelligence

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SVG has always been a terrible coach. Mo Cheeks is way better, imo.


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Bricks50 wrote:SVG has always been a terrible coach. Mo Cheeks is way better, imo.


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Coached a team to the Finals FFS

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StunnaStan wrote:While there have been many, svg biggest mistake this season is one that even the Orlando magic finals team can relate to. When svg coached the magic, jammeer Nelson was the starting pg and rarer Alston was the backup. I don't quite remember when exactly, but either right before or during the early part of the magic playoff run jameer Nelson got hurt and it bumped rafer Alston to starter. Rafer basically lead the team as the starter all the way to the finals and before game 1 it was announced that jameer Nelson was back. Rafer had been on a roll leading the magic as the starter and rather than keep the rhythm going, svg benched rafer for jameer coming off injury and you know how the series played out.

This season, ish smith had the team playing really good prior to Reggie coming back and... svg basically did what he did in Orlando in Detroit and just handed Reggie back the starting spot. Need I say more


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I remember this. He did the exact thing this year. what a dumb@ss. We coulda been a top 4-5 team if Reggie just came off the bench.