Stanley Johnson shooting 36% FG and 28% 3FG.. in 71 games

[Han Solo]

SVG whiffed on this pick. Stanley just doesn't look like he's ever going to be able to compete offensively in the NBA. His defense isn't good enough to mask this kind of offensive production.

[joedumars1]

I don't think we use him the right way. To me he seems to be a player who should have the ball in his hands and let him do whatever it is he does. Let him sink or swim. He's young, we've seen the flashes. His passing and D are the thing I know he will be able to do, hopefully he get's a shot and learns how to use his body without getting fouls on drives.

I think he would be better on a **** team that let him take the reigns, I know we're a **** team this year kinda, but no way SVG ever let's a rook/young kid do that

[pistonsbball]

One of the largest gaps between confidence and actual ability I've seen. One of the problems is he tries to make a play every time he gets the ball. Dude just needs to learn to swing the ball and play within the offense. Think he can still be a solid D/open shot guy, not sure that'll happen on the pistons.

[Alexander]

He's Ron Artest prematurely reincarnated. You'll have to take the good with the bad offensively; his jumper is flat, his shot selection could use improvement, he forces things. Make him the shot-caller of the defense and have him lock down their better swingman.

Give him minutes, let him work out the kinks, understand that he may never be conventional or a 50% shooter from the field, but let him get up the attempts to stay involved and keep people honest. He's not getting consistent opportunities and the double standards have been brutal.

I'm not giving up on him as a talent, I just fear that he won't pan out for the Pistons. We may have blown it with him.

[Pharaoh]

SVG whiffed on this pick. Stanley just doesn't look like he's ever going to be able to compete offensively in the NBA. His defense isn't good enough to mask this kind of offensive production.

No consistent playing time.

No consistent role.

And now 2 seasons gone.

Either play him consistent minutes in a role that suits him or trade him IMO.

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[MrBigShot]

It's a combination of poor development and him just being objectively very unskilled right now. I think SVG was too quick to pull him out of the rotation and limit his role when he was struggling heavily earlier in the season, but at the same time KCP/Monroe/Drummond all had to deal with being young players in a limited role and they handled their business without playing being net negatives.

[JoeDumars]

I was at the Nets game. Lined up in the corner - out of bounds. Two possessions later, out of bounds again. Later, he threw a cross court pass into press row. Can't blame this on Stan, he has regressed.

[El Chivo]

We're the only team not developing players and making them regress.

Thon Maker six months ago could not even stay on the court, now is a 7ft sniper.

In the meantime Ellenson...

[tradez401]

I don't think we use him the right way. To me he seems to be a player who should have the ball in his hands and let him do whatever it is he does. Let him sink or swim. He's young, we've seen the flashes. His passing and D are the thing I know he will be able to do, hopefully he get's a shot and learns how to use his body without getting fouls on drives.

I think he would be better on a **** team that let him take the reigns, I know we're a **** team this year kinda, but no way SVG ever let's a rook/young kid do that

i agree i dont think sj fits in stan's system he needs to be more in control with the ball in his hands instead stan wants him to only be a 3&d guy which stanley is more than that.

[JoeDumars]

We're the only team not developing players and making them regress

Making them regress? Stop.

[Pharaoh]

We're the only team not developing players and making them regress.

Thon Maker six months ago could not even stay on the court, now is a 7ft sniper.

In the meantime Ellenson...

Thon Maker is like 25 years old bro!

He also doesn't have:

Drummond, Baynes, Bobo, Jon Boy, Mook, Harris & SJ in front of him stopping him getting minutes!

You're reaching here and it's why you have no credibility with anything else

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[ImHeisenberg]

We're the only team not developing players and making them regress.

Thon Maker six months ago could not even stay on the court, now is a 7ft sniper.

In the meantime Ellenson...

We're not the only ones. Don't forget about the Kings and Orlando!

[El Chivo]

We're the only team not developing players and making them regress.

Thon Maker six months ago could not even stay on the court, now is a 7ft sniper.

In the meantime Ellenson...

Thon Maker is like 25 years old bro!

He also doesn't have:

Drummond, Baynes, Bobo, Jon Boy, Mook, Harris & SJ in front of him stopping him getting minutes!

You're reaching here and it's why you have no credibility with anything else

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you're SVG's lawyer, instead.

[El Chivo]

We're the only team not developing players and making them regress.

Thon Maker six months ago could not even stay on the court, now is a 7ft sniper.

In the meantime Ellenson...

We're not the only ones. Don't forget about the Kings and Orlando!

Payton is improving, Labissiere and WCS too.

[ImHeisenberg]

We're the only team not developing players and making them regress.

Thon Maker six months ago could not even stay on the court, now is a 7ft sniper.

In the meantime Ellenson...

We're not the only ones. Don't forget about the Kings and Orlando!

Payton is improving, Labissiere and WCS too.

I'd argue those players are effectively the same players they were coming into the league, with small incremental changes that are simply coming with age and experience, not their respective teams developing their games to the next level.

[El Chivo]

We're not the only ones. Don't forget about the Kings and Orlando!

Payton is improving, Labissiere and WCS too.

I'd argue those players are effectively the same players they were coming into the league, with small incremental changes that are simply coming with age and experience, not their respective teams developing their games to the next level.

Sophomore Johnson is shooting worse than rookie Johnson. This is regressing.

[vic]

The Pistons have been under developing players and letting them blossom on other teams for a while now. This is nothing new.
We always try to put square pegs into round holes, let them get frustrated, then play their game somewhere else and blossom. Same old Pistons.

[El Chivo]

The Pistons have been under developing players and letting them blossom on other teams for a while now. This is nothing new.
We always try to put square pegs into round holes, let them get frustrated, then play their game somewhere else and blossom. Same old Pistons.

nothing but the truth. buy you'll always find a pharaoh arguing everything is fine.

[ImHeisenberg]

Sophomore Johnson is shooting worse than rookie Johnson. This is regressing.

Oh, I wasn't even reference Johnson. Yeah, he's regressed massively this year.

I can't recall a player developing into something since Tayshaun Prince. The rest of that team pretty much came in as finished products. Larry Brown really unlocked Billups' potential, but Chauncey wasn't a bright eyed 20 year old, he was a veteran that just needed a tweak to how he approached the position.

I mean, look at SVG's coaching staff. It's not a group of qualified people, it's a group of buddies he's giving a shot to. Malik Allen as a big man coach? The guy was a rotation player at his peak in the NBA. WTF is he going to teach Drummond? Hardaway? He was a really good player, but nothing about that guy's personality says "coaching material" to me.

The reality is, SVG is a coach who wants to "win now" and isn't looking five years down the road like a real GM should and worry about developing young talent. Instead, he drafts them, and lets them rot on his bench because they can't contribute right now.

Dinwiddie is having some success in Brooklyn. He's not a star or anything, but he was clearly capable of doing more than waiving a towel for Reggie Jackson and Steve Blake last year.

[El Chivo]

Sophomore Johnson is shooting worse than rookie Johnson. This is regressing.

Oh, I wasn't even reference Johnson. Yeah, he's regressed massively this year.

I can't recall a player developing into something since Tayshaun Prince. The rest of that team pretty much came in as finished products. Larry Brown really unlocked Billups' potential, but Chauncey wasn't a bright eyed 20 year old, he was a veteran that just needed a tweak to how he approached the position.

I mean, look at SVG's coaching staff. It's not a group of qualified people, it's a group of buddies he's giving a shot to. Malik Allen as a big man coach? The guy was a rotation player at his peak in the NBA. WTF is he going to teach Drummond? Hardaway? He was a really good player, but nothing about that guy's personality says "coaching material" to me.

The reality is, SVG is a coach who wants to "win now" and isn't looking five years down the road like a real GM should and worry about developing young talent. Instead, he drafts them, and lets them rot on his bench because they can't contribute right now.

Dinwiddie is having some success in Brooklyn. He's not a star or anything, but he was clearly capable of doing more than waiving a towel for Reggie Jackson and Steve Blake last year.

so you basically agree with me saying that the whole SVG's project is wrong. Results wise it looked good because the team overachieved last year. but if overachieving means being swept in 1st round, maybe the optimist users are misunderstanding something...