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JohnReese wrote:No way, Drummond and Reggie out asap. We want defense!

Mr Peanut wrote:So this probably won't be a popular opinion. But before you balk and laugh at me, hear me out.

The most important, and arguably only relevant, difference between this season and last season is Reggie Jackson's health. When he went down and then returned as a much lesser version of himself we were never going to truly compete for HCA in the East as a lot of the NBA community had expected us to. If you don't believe that's the principal difference and why we've been so poor this year, let's compare the team's main rotational players over the last two seasons:

Tobias Harris
2015/16: 33.4 MPG, 16.6 PPG, 6.2 RPG, 2.6 APG, 47.7% FG, 37.5% 3P, 91.1% FT, PER 18.2
2016/17: 31.4 MPG, 16.1 PPG, 5.1 RPG, 1.7 APG, 48.1% FG, 33.9% 3P, 85.0% FT, PER 16.7

Verdict: If you take into account playing a couple of minutes less per game, Tobias has largely had a similar season to his time last year with the Pistons. When you extrapolate his numbers out to per 36 he's actually a slightly better scorer, albeit shooting a bit less efficiently from the 3 point line.

Marcus Morris
2015/16: 35.7 MPG, 14.1 PPG, 5.1 RPG, 2.5 APG, 43.4% FG, 36.2% 3P, 74.9% FT, PER 12.7
2016/17: 32.9 MPG, 14.2 PPG, 4.8 RPG, 2.1 APG, 41.8% FG, 33.1% 3P, 78.6% FT, PER 12.6

Verdict: Similar to Harris, fractionally better scoring this season on slightly worse efficiency. But certainly his game doesn't seem to have regressed.

Kentavious Caldwell-Pope
2015/16: 36.7 MPG, 14.5 PPG, 3.7 RPG, 1.8 APG, 1.4 SPG, 42.0% FG, 30.9% 3P, 81.1% FT, PER 12.4
2016/17: 33.7 MPG, 14.1 PPG, 3.2 RPG, 2.6 APG, 1.2 SPG, 40.4% FG, 36.4% 3P, 83.1% FT, PER 13.2

Verdict: It's been fairly obvious to everyone that KCP has taken big strides since last season; while always a defensively strong player his scoring, particularly his 3-point shooting, has taken the next step this year. Also his playmaking (particularly when Reggie Jackson was injured) is evidently much improved.

Andre Drummond:
2015/16: 32.9 MPG, 16.2 PPG, 14.8 RPG, 1.5 SPG, 1.4 BPG, 52.1% FG, 35.5% FT, PER 21.2
2016/17: 30.1 MPG, 14.1 PPG, 14.0 RPG, 1.6 SPG, 1.1 BPG, 53.4%, 39.2% FT, PER 21.3

Verdict: For all the criticism that Drummond has been subject to this season, his numbers haven't been bad. His rebounding is actually better than last season per 36 and his free throw shooting while still terrible is mildly improved. His PPG has probably suffered a little bit from Jackson not being 100% as he did set Drummond up a lot in the P&R. And while being rightly criticized for his defense, you could argue that a big part of that deficiency is secondary to Jackson's poor defense which puts Drummond in the spot of having to come and guard the opposing PG and leaving his man open (something we've seen countless times this season). Overall though, Drummond's regression doesn't seem to be anything significant that can't be explained by Jackson's poor health.

Stanley Johnson
2015/16: 23.1 MPG, 8.1 PPG, 4.2 RPG, 1.6 APG, 37.5% FG, 30.7% 3P, 78.4% FT, PER 8.7
2016/17: 17.2 MPG, 4.4 PPG, 2.5 RPG, 1.3 APG, 36.5% FG, 28.1% 3P, 66.7% FT, PER 7.6

Verdict: While SJ appears to have suffered a statistical regression by these metrics, defensively many would agree he has improved this year. And you could argue his scoring struggles could be attributed to lack of a clear role within the offense which is a fault of SVG. Overall, SJ has taken a bit of a step back but was never a significant difference maker within our winning team last season anyway which would explain our fall in the standings.

And finally:

Reggie Jackson
2015/16: 30.7 MPG, 18.8 PPG, 3.2 RPG, 6.2 APG, 43.4% FG, 35.3% 3P, 86.4% FT, PER 19.6
2016/17: 27.4 MPG, 14.5 PPG, 2.2 RPG, 5.2 APG, 41.9% FG, 35.9% 3P, 86.8% FT, PER 14.9

Verdict: It appears plainly obvious to everyone that Reggie is not the same player this season as last. He hasn't moved around the court the same since his return from knee tendinitis, getting to the line 40% less this season and struggling to stay in front of opposing teams PGs. He has been guilty of trying to be the same player he once was with a body that is less able and the team has often suffered because of it. This is a guy who we nicknamed "Mr 4th Quarter" last season, and often singlehandedly led us to victory in close games. And it has been obvious we've lacked a closer in many of the same close games this year.


Before this season started the consensus projections for our team, which had just won 44 games and then signed a few rotational players to shore up a terrible bench, was about 48-50 wins and competing for HCA. As it stands today we have six games left and only 35 wins to our name, sitting 11th in the East. Looking at the player stats above the only player that seems worse this season is Reggie Jackson, and the most obvious explanation affecting his play is his knee injury as it would be hard to find another explanation as to how he could go from borderline all-Star play last year to a borderline team cancer now.

This off-season, if we re-sign KCP and Baynes walks, our roster projects to be:

Drummond/Boban
Harris/Leuer/Ellenson
Morris/SJ
KCP/Gbinije
Reggie/Ish

With free agents and our likely lottery pick yet to be determined. So I table the idea, if Reggie takes the off-season to rest and recover, perhaps has surgery if required, and returns as the same 2015/16 RJ next season, is there any reason to make any significant changes to this team at all? Shouldn't they still be expected to compete for HCA in the East again like they were this season?

I know we're all thoroughly disappointed with the team this year, probably moreso than any season in the last 10 years due to the lofty expectations most of us had, but I think it's shortsighted to blow up what is a promising and still young core due to arguably our team's most important player not being himself this year due to a bung knee.

Now tear me apart.

Mr Peanut wrote:So this probably won't be a popular opinion. But before you balk and laugh at me, hear me out.

The most important, and arguably only relevant, difference between this season and last season is Reggie Jackson's health. When he went down and then returned as a much lesser version of himself we were never going to truly compete for HCA in the East as a lot of the NBA community had expected us to. If you don't believe that's the principal difference and why we've been so poor this year, let's compare the team's main rotational players over the last two seasons:

Tobias Harris
2015/16: 33.4 MPG, 16.6 PPG, 6.2 RPG, 2.6 APG, 47.7% FG, 37.5% 3P, 91.1% FT, PER 18.2
2016/17: 31.4 MPG, 16.1 PPG, 5.1 RPG, 1.7 APG, 48.1% FG, 33.9% 3P, 85.0% FT, PER 16.7

Verdict: If you take into account playing a couple of minutes less per game, Tobias has largely had a similar season to his time last year with the Pistons. When you extrapolate his numbers out to per 36 he's actually a slightly better scorer, albeit shooting a bit less efficiently from the 3 point line.

Marcus Morris
2015/16: 35.7 MPG, 14.1 PPG, 5.1 RPG, 2.5 APG, 43.4% FG, 36.2% 3P, 74.9% FT, PER 12.7
2016/17: 32.9 MPG, 14.2 PPG, 4.8 RPG, 2.1 APG, 41.8% FG, 33.1% 3P, 78.6% FT, PER 12.6

Verdict: Similar to Harris, fractionally better scoring this season on slightly worse efficiency. But certainly his game doesn't seem to have regressed.

Kentavious Caldwell-Pope
2015/16: 36.7 MPG, 14.5 PPG, 3.7 RPG, 1.8 APG, 1.4 SPG, 42.0% FG, 30.9% 3P, 81.1% FT, PER 12.4
2016/17: 33.7 MPG, 14.1 PPG, 3.2 RPG, 2.6 APG, 1.2 SPG, 40.4% FG, 36.4% 3P, 83.1% FT, PER 13.2

Verdict: It's been fairly obvious to everyone that KCP has taken big strides since last season; while always a defensively strong player his scoring, particularly his 3-point shooting, has taken the next step this year. Also his playmaking (particularly when Reggie Jackson was injured) is evidently much improved.

Andre Drummond:
2015/16: 32.9 MPG, 16.2 PPG, 14.8 RPG, 1.5 SPG, 1.4 BPG, 52.1% FG, 35.5% FT, PER 21.2
2016/17: 30.1 MPG, 14.1 PPG, 14.0 RPG, 1.6 SPG, 1.1 BPG, 53.4%, 39.2% FT, PER 21.3

Verdict: For all the criticism that Drummond has been subject to this season, his numbers haven't been bad. His rebounding is actually better than last season per 36 and his free throw shooting while still terrible is mildly improved. His PPG has probably suffered a little bit from Jackson not being 100% as he did set Drummond up a lot in the P&R. And while being rightly criticized for his defense, you could argue that a big part of that deficiency is secondary to Jackson's poor defense which puts Drummond in the spot of having to come and guard the opposing PG and leaving his man open (something we've seen countless times this season). Overall though, Drummond's regression doesn't seem to be anything significant that can't be explained by Jackson's poor health.

Stanley Johnson
2015/16: 23.1 MPG, 8.1 PPG, 4.2 RPG, 1.6 APG, 37.5% FG, 30.7% 3P, 78.4% FT, PER 8.7
2016/17: 17.2 MPG, 4.4 PPG, 2.5 RPG, 1.3 APG, 36.5% FG, 28.1% 3P, 66.7% FT, PER 7.6

Verdict: While SJ appears to have suffered a statistical regression by these metrics, defensively many would agree he has improved this year. And you could argue his scoring struggles could be attributed to lack of a clear role within the offense which is a fault of SVG. Overall, SJ has taken a bit of a step back but was never a significant difference maker within our winning team last season anyway which would explain our fall in the standings.

And finally:

Reggie Jackson
2015/16: 30.7 MPG, 18.8 PPG, 3.2 RPG, 6.2 APG, 43.4% FG, 35.3% 3P, 86.4% FT, PER 19.6
2016/17: 27.4 MPG, 14.5 PPG, 2.2 RPG, 5.2 APG, 41.9% FG, 35.9% 3P, 86.8% FT, PER 14.9

Verdict: It appears plainly obvious to everyone that Reggie is not the same player this season as last. He hasn't moved around the court the same since his return from knee tendinitis, getting to the line 40% less this season and struggling to stay in front of opposing teams PGs. He has been guilty of trying to be the same player he once was with a body that is less able and the team has often suffered because of it. This is a guy who we nicknamed "Mr 4th Quarter" last season, and often singlehandedly led us to victory in close games. And it has been obvious we've lacked a closer in many of the same close games this year.


Before this season started the consensus projections for our team, which had just won 44 games and then signed a few rotational players to shore up a terrible bench, was about 48-50 wins and competing for HCA. As it stands today we have six games left and only 35 wins to our name, sitting 11th in the East. Looking at the player stats above the only player that seems worse this season is Reggie Jackson, and the most obvious explanation affecting his play is his knee injury as it would be hard to find another explanation as to how he could go from borderline all-Star play last year to a borderline team cancer now.

This off-season, if we re-sign KCP and Baynes walks, our roster projects to be:

Drummond/Boban
Harris/Leuer/Ellenson
Morris/SJ
KCP/Gbinije
Reggie/Ish

With free agents and our likely lottery pick yet to be determined. So I table the idea, if Reggie takes the off-season to rest and recover, perhaps has surgery if required, and returns as the same 2015/16 RJ next season, is there any reason to make any significant changes to this team at all? Shouldn't they still be expected to compete for HCA in the East again like they were this season?

I know we're all thoroughly disappointed with the team this year, probably moreso than any season in the last 10 years due to the lofty expectations most of us had, but I think it's shortsighted to blow up what is a promising and still young core due to arguably our team's most important player not being himself this year due to a bung knee.

Now tear me apart.

PistonsSince85 wrote:

Mr Peanut wrote:So this probably won't be a popular opinion. But before you balk and laugh at me, hear me out.

The most important, and arguably only relevant, difference between this season and last season is Reggie Jackson's health. When he went down and then returned as a much lesser version of himself we were never going to truly compete for HCA in the East as a lot of the NBA community had expected us to. If you don't believe that's the principal difference and why we've been so poor this year, let's compare the team's main rotational players over the last two seasons:

Tobias Harris
2015/16: 33.4 MPG, 16.6 PPG, 6.2 RPG, 2.6 APG, 47.7% FG, 37.5% 3P, 91.1% FT, PER 18.2
2016/17: 31.4 MPG, 16.1 PPG, 5.1 RPG, 1.7 APG, 48.1% FG, 33.9% 3P, 85.0% FT, PER 16.7

Verdict: If you take into account playing a couple of minutes less per game, Tobias has largely had a similar season to his time last year with the Pistons. When you extrapolate his numbers out to per 36 he's actually a slightly better scorer, albeit shooting a bit less efficiently from the 3 point line.

Marcus Morris
2015/16: 35.7 MPG, 14.1 PPG, 5.1 RPG, 2.5 APG, 43.4% FG, 36.2% 3P, 74.9% FT, PER 12.7
2016/17: 32.9 MPG, 14.2 PPG, 4.8 RPG, 2.1 APG, 41.8% FG, 33.1% 3P, 78.6% FT, PER 12.6

Verdict: Similar to Harris, fractionally better scoring this season on slightly worse efficiency. But certainly his game doesn't seem to have regressed.

Kentavious Caldwell-Pope
2015/16: 36.7 MPG, 14.5 PPG, 3.7 RPG, 1.8 APG, 1.4 SPG, 42.0% FG, 30.9% 3P, 81.1% FT, PER 12.4
2016/17: 33.7 MPG, 14.1 PPG, 3.2 RPG, 2.6 APG, 1.2 SPG, 40.4% FG, 36.4% 3P, 83.1% FT, PER 13.2

Verdict: It's been fairly obvious to everyone that KCP has taken big strides since last season; while always a defensively strong player his scoring, particularly his 3-point shooting, has taken the next step this year. Also his playmaking (particularly when Reggie Jackson was injured) is evidently much improved.

Andre Drummond:
2015/16: 32.9 MPG, 16.2 PPG, 14.8 RPG, 1.5 SPG, 1.4 BPG, 52.1% FG, 35.5% FT, PER 21.2
2016/17: 30.1 MPG, 14.1 PPG, 14.0 RPG, 1.6 SPG, 1.1 BPG, 53.4%, 39.2% FT, PER 21.3

Verdict: For all the criticism that Drummond has been subject to this season, his numbers haven't been bad. His rebounding is actually better than last season per 36 and his free throw shooting while still terrible is mildly improved. His PPG has probably suffered a little bit from Jackson not being 100% as he did set Drummond up a lot in the P&R. And while being rightly criticized for his defense, you could argue that a big part of that deficiency is secondary to Jackson's poor defense which puts Drummond in the spot of having to come and guard the opposing PG and leaving his man open (something we've seen countless times this season). Overall though, Drummond's regression doesn't seem to be anything significant that can't be explained by Jackson's poor health.

Stanley Johnson
2015/16: 23.1 MPG, 8.1 PPG, 4.2 RPG, 1.6 APG, 37.5% FG, 30.7% 3P, 78.4% FT, PER 8.7
2016/17: 17.2 MPG, 4.4 PPG, 2.5 RPG, 1.3 APG, 36.5% FG, 28.1% 3P, 66.7% FT, PER 7.6

Verdict: While SJ appears to have suffered a statistical regression by these metrics, defensively many would agree he has improved this year. And you could argue his scoring struggles could be attributed to lack of a clear role within the offense which is a fault of SVG. Overall, SJ has taken a bit of a step back but was never a significant difference maker within our winning team last season anyway which would explain our fall in the standings.

And finally:

Reggie Jackson
2015/16: 30.7 MPG, 18.8 PPG, 3.2 RPG, 6.2 APG, 43.4% FG, 35.3% 3P, 86.4% FT, PER 19.6
2016/17: 27.4 MPG, 14.5 PPG, 2.2 RPG, 5.2 APG, 41.9% FG, 35.9% 3P, 86.8% FT, PER 14.9

Verdict: It appears plainly obvious to everyone that Reggie is not the same player this season as last. He hasn't moved around the court the same since his return from knee tendinitis, getting to the line 40% less this season and struggling to stay in front of opposing teams PGs. He has been guilty of trying to be the same player he once was with a body that is less able and the team has often suffered because of it. This is a guy who we nicknamed "Mr 4th Quarter" last season, and often singlehandedly led us to victory in close games. And it has been obvious we've lacked a closer in many of the same close games this year.


Before this season started the consensus projections for our team, which had just won 44 games and then signed a few rotational players to shore up a terrible bench, was about 48-50 wins and competing for HCA. As it stands today we have six games left and only 35 wins to our name, sitting 11th in the East. Looking at the player stats above the only player that seems worse this season is Reggie Jackson, and the most obvious explanation affecting his play is his knee injury as it would be hard to find another explanation as to how he could go from borderline all-Star play last year to a borderline team cancer now.

This off-season, if we re-sign KCP and Baynes walks, our roster projects to be:

Drummond/Boban
Harris/Leuer/Ellenson
Morris/SJ
KCP/Gbinije
Reggie/Ish

With free agents and our likely lottery pick yet to be determined. So I table the idea, if Reggie takes the off-season to rest and recover, perhaps has surgery if required, and returns as the same 2015/16 RJ next season, is there any reason to make any significant changes to this team at all? Shouldn't they still be expected to compete for HCA in the East again like they were this season?

I know we're all thoroughly disappointed with the team this year, probably moreso than any season in the last 10 years due to the lofty expectations most of us had, but I think it's shortsighted to blow up what is a promising and still young core due to arguably our team's most important player not being himself this year due to a bung knee.

Now tear me apart.

Lol.

Svg is that you? Go eat another twinkie.

Blomberg wrote:It's just that we don't have a lot options, so it is what it is. We're gonna roll out the same crap team with minor changes next October.

JoeDumars wrote:

Blomberg wrote:It's just that we don't have a lot options, so it is what it is. We're gonna roll out the same crap team with minor changes next October.

Disagree - I'll start a new thread.....

Pharaoh wrote:

JoeDumars wrote:

Blomberg wrote:It's just that we don't have a lot options, so it is what it is. We're gonna roll out the same crap team with minor changes next October.

Disagree - I'll start a new thread.....

I disagree with the bold too and waited 10 mins for your thread but nada so:

A team is never stuck with what they have or where they are.

Look at the Kings...OMG they're stuck being a treadmill team that's never gonna go get outta the Lotto, Cousins is mental and they just keep firing coaches all the time.

Next thing you know they trade Cousins is gone...they have a good coach...they're armed with likely 2 Top 10 picks in one amazing Draft...got a boat load of young prospects...everyone is "hopeful"

We could trade most of this roster given the current salaries of our guys vs what the market handed out last off-season

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Pharaoh wrote:

PistonsSince85 wrote:

Mr Peanut wrote:So this probably won't be a popular opinion. But before you balk and laugh at me, hear me out.

The most important, and arguably only relevant, difference between this season and last season is Reggie Jackson's health. When he went down and then returned as a much lesser version of himself we were never going to truly compete for HCA in the East as a lot of the NBA community had expected us to. If you don't believe that's the principal difference and why we've been so poor this year, let's compare the team's main rotational players over the last two seasons:

Tobias Harris
2015/16: 33.4 MPG, 16.6 PPG, 6.2 RPG, 2.6 APG, 47.7% FG, 37.5% 3P, 91.1% FT, PER 18.2
2016/17: 31.4 MPG, 16.1 PPG, 5.1 RPG, 1.7 APG, 48.1% FG, 33.9% 3P, 85.0% FT, PER 16.7

Verdict: If you take into account playing a couple of minutes less per game, Tobias has largely had a similar season to his time last year with the Pistons. When you extrapolate his numbers out to per 36 he's actually a slightly better scorer, albeit shooting a bit less efficiently from the 3 point line.

Marcus Morris
2015/16: 35.7 MPG, 14.1 PPG, 5.1 RPG, 2.5 APG, 43.4% FG, 36.2% 3P, 74.9% FT, PER 12.7
2016/17: 32.9 MPG, 14.2 PPG, 4.8 RPG, 2.1 APG, 41.8% FG, 33.1% 3P, 78.6% FT, PER 12.6

Verdict: Similar to Harris, fractionally better scoring this season on slightly worse efficiency. But certainly his game doesn't seem to have regressed.

Kentavious Caldwell-Pope
2015/16: 36.7 MPG, 14.5 PPG, 3.7 RPG, 1.8 APG, 1.4 SPG, 42.0% FG, 30.9% 3P, 81.1% FT, PER 12.4
2016/17: 33.7 MPG, 14.1 PPG, 3.2 RPG, 2.6 APG, 1.2 SPG, 40.4% FG, 36.4% 3P, 83.1% FT, PER 13.2

Verdict: It's been fairly obvious to everyone that KCP has taken big strides since last season; while always a defensively strong player his scoring, particularly his 3-point shooting, has taken the next step this year. Also his playmaking (particularly when Reggie Jackson was injured) is evidently much improved.

Andre Drummond:
2015/16: 32.9 MPG, 16.2 PPG, 14.8 RPG, 1.5 SPG, 1.4 BPG, 52.1% FG, 35.5% FT, PER 21.2
2016/17: 30.1 MPG, 14.1 PPG, 14.0 RPG, 1.6 SPG, 1.1 BPG, 53.4%, 39.2% FT, PER 21.3

Verdict: For all the criticism that Drummond has been subject to this season, his numbers haven't been bad. His rebounding is actually better than last season per 36 and his free throw shooting while still terrible is mildly improved. His PPG has probably suffered a little bit from Jackson not being 100% as he did set Drummond up a lot in the P&R. And while being rightly criticized for his defense, you could argue that a big part of that deficiency is secondary to Jackson's poor defense which puts Drummond in the spot of having to come and guard the opposing PG and leaving his man open (something we've seen countless times this season). Overall though, Drummond's regression doesn't seem to be anything significant that can't be explained by Jackson's poor health.

Stanley Johnson
2015/16: 23.1 MPG, 8.1 PPG, 4.2 RPG, 1.6 APG, 37.5% FG, 30.7% 3P, 78.4% FT, PER 8.7
2016/17: 17.2 MPG, 4.4 PPG, 2.5 RPG, 1.3 APG, 36.5% FG, 28.1% 3P, 66.7% FT, PER 7.6

Verdict: While SJ appears to have suffered a statistical regression by these metrics, defensively many would agree he has improved this year. And you could argue his scoring struggles could be attributed to lack of a clear role within the offense which is a fault of SVG. Overall, SJ has taken a bit of a step back but was never a significant difference maker within our winning team last season anyway which would explain our fall in the standings.

And finally:

Reggie Jackson
2015/16: 30.7 MPG, 18.8 PPG, 3.2 RPG, 6.2 APG, 43.4% FG, 35.3% 3P, 86.4% FT, PER 19.6
2016/17: 27.4 MPG, 14.5 PPG, 2.2 RPG, 5.2 APG, 41.9% FG, 35.9% 3P, 86.8% FT, PER 14.9

Verdict: It appears plainly obvious to everyone that Reggie is not the same player this season as last. He hasn't moved around the court the same since his return from knee tendinitis, getting to the line 40% less this season and struggling to stay in front of opposing teams PGs. He has been guilty of trying to be the same player he once was with a body that is less able and the team has often suffered because of it. This is a guy who we nicknamed "Mr 4th Quarter" last season, and often singlehandedly led us to victory in close games. And it has been obvious we've lacked a closer in many of the same close games this year.


Before this season started the consensus projections for our team, which had just won 44 games and then signed a few rotational players to shore up a terrible bench, was about 48-50 wins and competing for HCA. As it stands today we have six games left and only 35 wins to our name, sitting 11th in the East. Looking at the player stats above the only player that seems worse this season is Reggie Jackson, and the most obvious explanation affecting his play is his knee injury as it would be hard to find another explanation as to how he could go from borderline all-Star play last year to a borderline team cancer now.

This off-season, if we re-sign KCP and Baynes walks, our roster projects to be:

Drummond/Boban
Harris/Leuer/Ellenson
Morris/SJ
KCP/Gbinije
Reggie/Ish

With free agents and our likely lottery pick yet to be determined. So I table the idea, if Reggie takes the off-season to rest and recover, perhaps has surgery if required, and returns as the same 2015/16 RJ next season, is there any reason to make any significant changes to this team at all? Shouldn't they still be expected to compete for HCA in the East again like they were this season?

I know we're all thoroughly disappointed with the team this year, probably moreso than any season in the last 10 years due to the lofty expectations most of us had, but I think it's shortsighted to blow up what is a promising and still young core due to arguably our team's most important player not being himself this year due to a bung knee.

Now tear me apart.

Lol.

Svg is that you? Go eat another twinkie.

You got jokes? I'd rather listen to Bill Burr or Jim Jeffries

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PistonsSince85 wrote:

Pharaoh wrote:

PistonsSince85 wrote:
Lol.

Svg is that you? Go eat another twinkie.

You got jokes? I'd rather listen to Bill Burr or Jim Jeffries

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For a guy that has been wrong all season, you sure have a lot of hutzpah.

Ill bet you thought Hillary would win too.

Just let the truth sink in dumbo. KCP is overrated, this team is a aweful and SVG is a liberal master of panic who has doomed us.

russkopp wrote:I think that some changes will be made not just on a players performance but on their personality, mentality and ability to be a good teammate.

This team is mentally weak and seems all too content to lose and go home. Changes have to be made.