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You didn't think that maybe Ish & Tobias could BOTH start?

And in a whole season how much can you gleam out of a 112 minute sample or just over 100 possessions?

I'm all for more info but context helps dude, especially from a dude that is apparently educating the public on all things Piston!

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I liked Piston Powered a lot more before they became the pop-up wh0re site with Fansided.

Duncan, you should start your own blog, or find a new forum.

the only chance this roster had to be above average it was to run a fast-paced offense and give 20 shots per night to Tobias Harris, by far the most efficient offensive player we have, let KCP involved in offense and run some pnr's, cut the slow paced iso we give to Morris and post-up possessions for Drummond.

run and avoid half court offense.

of course our saviour SVG did the opposite.

El Chivo wrote:the only chance this roster had to be above average it was to run a fast-paced offense and give 20 shots per night to Tobias Harris, by far the most efficient offensive player we have, let KCP involved in offense and run some pnr's, cut the slow paced iso we give to Morris and post-up possessions for Drummond.

run and avoid half court offense.

of course our saviour SVG did the opposite.

LMAO! You're repeating the same thing I've said for months!

But if you go away from giving Drummond post ups then you will never develop him into anything more than a glorified garbage man.

As much as I love Tobias & KCP and a motion offense we will never win anything of note if Dre is not developed

Can he be developed? That's the big question

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Pharaoh wrote:

El Chivo wrote:the only chance this roster had to be above average it was to run a fast-paced offense and give 20 shots per night to Tobias Harris, by far the most efficient offensive player we have, let KCP involved in offense and run some pnr's, cut the slow paced iso we give to Morris and post-up possessions for Drummond.

run and avoid half court offense.

of course our saviour SVG did the opposite.

LMAO! You're repeating the same thing I've said for months!

But if you go away from giving Drummond post ups then you will never develop him into anything more than a glorified garbage man.

As much as I love Tobias & KCP and a motion offense we will never win anything of note if Dre is not developed

Can he be developed? That's the big question

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This isn't AAU. Or the D League. And he's not a rookie. A glorified garbage man is what he is. Trying to develop a 5 year vet into something he's not and never has been, at the expense of the team, is ridiculous. Send him down to the D-League if you must. That's what it's there for.

Pharaoh wrote:You didn't think that maybe Ish & Tobias could BOTH start?

And in a whole season how much can you gleam out of a 112 minute sample or just over 100 possessions?

I'm all for more info but context helps dude, especially from a dude that is apparently educating the public on all things Piston!

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Tobias would be a GREAT PF if we'd have a good defensive center. I mean, Tobias is a perfect PF to be pair with DeAndre, Gobert, Marc, Nurkic and a lot of good defensive big men.

The problem is Tobias, while he's not bad on defense, got problems which could be resolved by having a rim protector making it hard for the heavy PFs to abuse him on the post. But with Dre making an awful help defense and a protecting the rim like Isaiah Thomas, there's no way we could afford him while not suffering on defense.

Pharaoh wrote:

El Chivo wrote:the only chance this roster had to be above average it was to run a fast-paced offense and give 20 shots per night to Tobias Harris, by far the most efficient offensive player we have, let KCP involved in offense and run some pnr's, cut the slow paced iso we give to Morris and post-up possessions for Drummond.

run and avoid half court offense.

of course our saviour SVG did the opposite.

LMAO! You're repeating the same thing I've said for months!

But if you go away from giving Drummond post ups then you will never develop him into anything more than a glorified garbage man.

As much as I love Tobias & KCP and a motion offense we will never win anything of note if Dre is not developed

Can he be developed? That's the big question

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I'd easily take a glorfied garbage man out of Dre right now. Each night we don't know what he is, whether he's trying to be a homelessman's Hakeem or replicate Moses Malone.

Dre's offense isn't worth developing at this point, he hasn't shown any real improvement, other than that dumb two dribble half hook of his.

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Pharaoh wrote:

El Chivo wrote:the only chance this roster had to be above average it was to run a fast-paced offense and give 20 shots per night to Tobias Harris, by far the most efficient offensive player we have, let KCP involved in offense and run some pnr's, cut the slow paced iso we give to Morris and post-up possessions for Drummond.

run and avoid half court offense.

of course our saviour SVG did the opposite.

LMAO! You're repeating the same thing I've said for months!

But if you go away from giving Drummond post ups then you will never develop him into anything more than a glorified garbage man.

As much as I love Tobias & KCP and a motion offense we will never win anything of note if Dre is not developed

Can he be developed? That's the big question

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This isn't AAU. Or the D League. And he's not a rookie. A glorified garbage man is what he is. Trying to develop a 5 year vet into something he's not and never has been, at the expense of the team, is ridiculous. Send him down to the D-League if you must. That's what it's there for.

Exactly. Drummond is what he is and that will never change. Insisting on feeding him the ball in the post is the absolute worst thing this team has ever done because every time he misses, which is often, he hangs his head, pouts like a little baby and jogs up the floor. He is a mentally weak baby that will never be anything more than a lazy, no D garbage man. Hopefully next year this will all be behind us because he is on another team.

Pharaoh wrote:

El Chivo wrote:the only chance this roster had to be above average it was to run a fast-paced offense and give 20 shots per night to Tobias Harris, by far the most efficient offensive player we have, let KCP involved in offense and run some pnr's, cut the slow paced iso we give to Morris and post-up possessions for Drummond.

run and avoid half court offense.

of course our saviour SVG did the opposite.

LMAO! You're repeating the same thing I've said for months!

But if you go away from giving Drummond post ups then you will never develop him into anything more than a glorified garbage man.

As much as I love Tobias & KCP and a motion offense we will never win anything of note if Dre is not developed

Can he be developed? That's the big question

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The point is he shouldn't be anything more than a glorified garbage man. He should be Tristan Thompson on steroids, set hard screens, roll hard to the basket and be the best offensive rebounder in the league. Giving Dre backdown post touches is inefficient outdated offense.

Pharaoh wrote:You didn't think that maybe Ish & Tobias could BOTH start?

And in a whole season how much can you gleam out of a 112 minute sample or just over 100 possessions?

I'm all for more info but context helps dude, especially from a dude that is apparently educating the public on all things Piston!

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What do you mean? My point since the beginning has been that they should either both start or neither should start. Since Tobias plays six minutes per game more in his starts than when he comes off the bench, it's a pretty easy decision where he should begin games.

I focused mainly on the recent stuff for the purposes of this post but on the season the Pistons have an offensive rating of 96.4 when Ish is on the floor without Tobias. To give you some context, the Sixers have the worst offense in the league and have an offensive rating of 100.4.

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Pharaoh wrote:You didn't think that maybe Ish & Tobias could BOTH start?

And in a whole season how much can you gleam out of a 112 minute sample or just over 100 possessions?

I'm all for more info but context helps dude, especially from a dude that is apparently educating the public on all things Piston!

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What do you mean? My point since the beginning has been that they should either both start or neither should start. Since Tobias plays six minutes per game more in his starts than when he comes off the bench, it's a pretty easy decision where he should begin games.

I focused mainly on the recent stuff for the purposes of this post but on the season the Pistons have an offensive rating of 96.4 when Ish is on the floor without Tobias. To give you some context, the Sixers have the worst offense in the league and have an offensive rating of 100.4.

Care to post what the offensive rating of Houston is with James Harden off the floor?

Just interested to compare the offensive juggernaut to us without their #1 offensive player

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Pharaoh wrote:

duncansmithnba wrote:

Pharaoh wrote:You didn't think that maybe Ish & Tobias could BOTH start?

And in a whole season how much can you gleam out of a 112 minute sample or just over 100 possessions?

I'm all for more info but context helps dude, especially from a dude that is apparently educating the public on all things Piston!

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What do you mean? My point since the beginning has been that they should either both start or neither should start. Since Tobias plays six minutes per game more in his starts than when he comes off the bench, it's a pretty easy decision where he should begin games.

I focused mainly on the recent stuff for the purposes of this post but on the season the Pistons have an offensive rating of 96.4 when Ish is on the floor without Tobias. To give you some context, the Sixers have the worst offense in the league and have an offensive rating of 100.4.

Care to post what the offensive rating of Houston is with James Harden off the floor?

Just interested to compare the offensive juggernaut to us without their #1 offensive player

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The Rockets score 106.8 points per 100 without Harden.

The Pistons score 103.1 points per 100 on the season.

Is Ish the fourth worst shooter just for the year? Or among all active players over the span of their career?

I really like the pace Ish plays at and the ball movement when he's on the floor. He can get to that mid range pull-up to bail out bad posessions too. Capable* at least of hitting a open 3... He needs some help creating but as a Pistons fan I enjoy watching him

duncansmithnba wrote:

Pharaoh wrote:

duncansmithnba wrote:
What do you mean? My point since the beginning has been that they should either both start or neither should start. Since Tobias plays six minutes per game more in his starts than when he comes off the bench, it's a pretty easy decision where he should begin games.

I focused mainly on the recent stuff for the purposes of this post but on the season the Pistons have an offensive rating of 96.4 when Ish is on the floor without Tobias. To give you some context, the Sixers have the worst offense in the league and have an offensive rating of 100.4.

Care to post what the offensive rating of Houston is with James Harden off the floor?

Just interested to compare the offensive juggernaut to us without their #1 offensive player

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The Rockets score 106.8 points per 100 without Harden.

The Pistons score 103.1 points per 100 on the season.

This really illustrates the problems offensively for us!

For all the talk about our D and how KCP is good while Dre & RJ are terrible those numbers demonstrate the more important issue

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313 Professor wrote:I really like the pace Ish plays at and the ball movement when he's on the floor. He can get to that mid range pull-up to bail out bad posessions too. Capable* at least of hitting a open 3... He needs some help creating but as a Pistons fan I enjoy watching him

Yes, and that makes Ish a very good backup pg and he's clearly outplayed the 2017 RJ.

The problem is that he's not an upgrade over 2016 RJ, and 2016 RJ was only good enough for a first round sweep. We we counting on internal growth from RJ and Dre to take the next step, but obviously that didn't happen.