Detroit tank next season for #1 pick - Luka Doncic

[JRK]

Season 2017 / 2018

Detroit Pistons should blow the things up, total destruction only solution. Team as it is now has no future, only years of mediocrity. That is the reality now.

Detroit cornerstone and franchise player can't play in the 4th, can't hit free throws or finish the game. No progress in offensive or defensive play. No heart, no grit, no determination.

Keep Tobias Harris, KCP, Boban. Maybe Johnson and Ellenson. Trade everything else, even this year draft pick.

Tank mode full season.

Draft Luka Doncic.



Just an proposition, don't flame. I want Pistons all the best.

[MotownMadness]

I've watched some of his highlights and he's definitely gonna be a good one, franchise player type.

[Manocad]

Let's get something clear...tanking--intentially putting your worst line up on the floor night to night, hoping to lose--serves only to alienate the fans. Blowing it up and filling your roster with young players who are going to lose a lot of games now but potentially be good later isn't tanking. That's rebuilding.

[tmorgan]

I've heard of the guy, and yes, he'll be a good player, more than likely.

The truth, though, is that lack of explosive athleticism DOES put a ceiling on your production, particularly from the guard spot. Don't get me wrong, lack of mental fortitude does too (Drummond, Hezonja), but a great player needs to be above average at worst in both areas. I'm not sure if Doncic has an NBA star's body or ever could have one.

[SportsGuy8]

I've heard of the guy, and yes, he'll be a good player, more than likely.

The truth, though, is that lack of explosive athleticism DOES put a ceiling on your production, particularly from the guard spot. Don't get me wrong, lack of mental fortitude does too (Drummond, Hezonja), but a great player needs to be above average at worst in both areas. I'm not sure if Doncic has an NBA star's body or ever could have one.

While he's obviously not a super explosive athlete, he does have something else - a very good frame (he's already at 100kg - 220lbs, while neither looking fat, nor jacked; that's because his frame is quite big). He's also already more than willing to initiate contact playing vs. much older, stronger grown men, even to the point where he occasionally plays bully-ball, imagine what's going to happen when he gets stronger and bulkier.

His father was a "bull" also. Luka's simply not going to get thrown around, which is one of the problems some young *cough* white *cough* super-skilled phenoms face (and fail/bust because of it).

Personally, at the very least, I envision him as a much bigger Andre Miller with a SHOT, which is already quite scary. And that's like the worst scenario for me.

[Pharaoh]

Assuming this dude is the #1 pick in 2018 then you can guarantee he won't be getting drafted by us...

Cause we'll be the 4th seed in the Eastern Conference; -)

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[BadMofoPimp]

I would say there is a zero chance in the Pistons tanking. Yet, we get people talking about it as if it is a plausible resolution. Now, that in itself is hilarious.

[JRK]

I understand the doubt about Euro players and how they translate the game in the NBA, I really do.

However, in the last few years we are watching some of them becoming really, really good and developing into franchise player type.
Antetokounmpo, Gobert, Jokic, Saric, Porzingis are all uniquely talented players.

Watching Luka Doncic highlights and reading some of reports I think, with hard work and some luck, he can become a special player. All-Star calibre minimum.

[JRK]

I would say there is a zero chance in the Pistons tanking. Yet, we get people talking about it as if it is a plausible resolution. Now, that in itself is hilarious.

Are you not tired with mediocrity and draft picks in range from 7 to 15?

It would be ok if Detroit was like, lets say, Indiana and pick elite talents: 2010 #10 George, 2011 #15 Leonard, 2015 #11 Turner.

[BadMofoPimp]

I would say there is a zero chance in the Pistons tanking. Yet, we get people talking about it as if it is a plausible resolution. Now, that in itself is hilarious.

Are you not tired with mediocrity and draft picks in range from 7 to 15?

It would be ok if Detroit was like, lets say, Indiana and pick elite talents: 2010 #10 George, 2011 #15 Leonard, 2015 #11 Turner.

No true GM has to build a team by tanking for years on end waiting to get lucky for some elite talent to land in their lap.

Lets see. Dallas didn't tank, Heat didn't tank, Spurs tanked one year in the 90's when Robinson went down and haven't since, Warriors didn't have to tank. Cleveland in my opinion tanked 2 years and was gifted the last year when Lebron wanted to come back to give them enough assets to appease the NBA breadwinner. Lakers did not tank.

So, who has tanking really helped win a championship. Which GM became a genius in building a contender by tanking outside of the blind luck of OKC?

Say no to Hinkie. All he knows is how to make sure he has a bad team thus far. What has he done outside of drafting MCW, Okafor and Noel with his tanking top picks? All are backups. Then, you have perennial injured players in Simmons and Embiid. Philly may still end up a 25 win team 4 years from now.

[ComboGuardCity]

Michael Porter is going #1

[JRK]

I am not talking about years & years of tanking - just one Brooklyn style bad season - for Detroit to land an elite prospect like Luka Doncic and then to build around him.

All those teams were bad for atleast one season and then landed an elite young player and won championship(s) with that player being integral part of the team. SA - Duncan, Miami - Wade, Dallas - Nowitzki, GS - Curry, Cleveland - Irving.

(Nerlens Noel > AD)

Detroit Pistons need talent.

[A_dub06]

No true GM has to build a team by tanking for years on end waiting to get lucky for some elite talent to land in their lap.

Lets see. Dallas didn't tank, Heat didn't tank, Spurs tanked one year in the 90's when Robinson went down and haven't since, Warriors didn't have to tank. Cleveland in my opinion tanked 2 years and was gifted the last year when Lebron wanted to come back to give them enough assets to appease the NBA breadwinner. Lakers did not tank.

So, who has tanking really helped win a championship. Which GM became a genius in building a contender by tanking outside of the blind luck of OKC?

Say no to Hinkie. All he knows is how to make sure he has a bad team thus far. What has he done outside of drafting MCW, Okafor and Noel with his tanking top picks? All are backups. Then, you have perennial injured players in Simmons and Embiid. Philly may still end up a 25 win team 4 years from now.

This is just foolish and short sighted.

Dallas - Dirk (9th pick?)
Heat - Wade (5th?)
Warriors - Curry (7th), Thompson (11th)
Spurs - Duncan (1st)
Cavs - Lebron (1st), Kyrie (1st)
Lakers - Kobe (13th)

I've listed each of the teams you mentioned biggest stars which they drafted and what does each of these teams have in common? They landed one of the best players of all time! Not only that, you need a really high draft pick to have the opportunity to be able to go out and get these guys. Tanking literally means acquiring as many young assets and feeding them minutes and seeing what you have in them, if they don't develop then try to flip them and keep playing young guys and getting draft picks until you get at least 2 stars. None of these teams would have won jack **** without their greatest players and each of these guys were drafted higher (except Dirk the Unknown Euro and Kobe the high schooler) than 8th which correct me if I'm wrong we only had once since Darko and used it on Knight. The game has changed even in the last 5 years and so has the schematic for building a contender. Tanking for 5-6 years gives you a solid chance at getting 2-3 stars, which then incentives vets to sign on cheap for a ring.

I'll challenge you in another manner, where has avoiding tanking gotten us? I'd prefer to watch Philly play than us, that's how unwatchable and uninspiring we have become. Philly, minny, LA & PHX all have the potential to be powerhouses in the next 5 years

Edit: oh and you're also wrong about the Warriors and Cavs, do your research and you'll see the Warriors tanked for Barnes and Thompson, and Cavs for Kyrie late in the season.


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[BadMofoPimp]

No true GM has to build a team by tanking for years on end waiting to get lucky for some elite talent to land in their lap.

Lets see. Dallas didn't tank, Heat didn't tank, Spurs tanked one year in the 90's when Robinson went down and haven't since, Warriors didn't have to tank. Cleveland in my opinion tanked 2 years and was gifted the last year when Lebron wanted to come back to give them enough assets to appease the NBA breadwinner. Lakers did not tank.

So, who has tanking really helped win a championship. Which GM became a genius in building a contender by tanking outside of the blind luck of OKC?

Say no to Hinkie. All he knows is how to make sure he has a bad team thus far. What has he done outside of drafting MCW, Okafor and Noel with his tanking top picks? All are backups. Then, you have perennial injured players in Simmons and Embiid. Philly may still end up a 25 win team 4 years from now.

This is just foolish and short sighted.

Dallas - Dirk (9th pick?)
Heat - Wade (5th?)
Warriors - Curry (7th), Thompson (11th)
Spurs - Duncan (1st)
Cavs - Lebron (1st), Kyrie (1st)
Lakers - Kobe (13th)

I've listed each of the teams you mentioned biggest stars which they drafted and what does each of these teams have in common? They landed one of the best players of all time! Not only that, you need a really high draft pick to have the opportunity to be able to go out and get these guys. Tanking literally means acquiring as many young assets and feeding them minutes and seeing what you have in them, if they don't develop then try to flip them and keep playing young guys and getting draft picks until you get at least 2 stars. None of these teams would have won jack **** without their greatest players and each of these guys were drafted higher (except Dirk the Unknown Euro and Kobe the high schooler) than 8th which correct me if I'm wrong we only had once since Darko and used it on Knight. The game has changed even in the last 5 years and so has the schematic for building a contender. Tanking for 5-6 years gives you a solid chance at getting 2-3 stars, which then incentives vets to sign on cheap for a ring.

I'll challenge you in another manner, where has avoiding tanking gotten us? I'd prefer to watch Philly play than us, that's how unwatchable and uninspiring we have become. Philly, minny, LA & PHX all have the potential to be powerhouses in the next 5 years

Edit: oh and you're also wrong about the Warriors and Cavs, do your research and you'll see the Warriors tanked for Barnes and Thompson, and Cavs for Kyrie late in the season.


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Get your facts straight!

Dallas TRADED for Dirk.
Wade didn't win any ships on his own while he was drafted 5th, not top 3. They won their ships because they traded for Shaq and 2nd one they Signed Lebron and Bosh.
I already mentioned Duncan during the year when Robinson was injured, the rest of the team just sucked without Robinson. Spurs did not intentionally tank. That was in the 1997.
Cavs didn't win with Lebron before he left, then they tanked for Kyrie. But, they didn't tank for years on end. They were gifted Wiggins and the NBA helped set them up for a title run.
Lakers TRADED for Kobe who was a 13th pick while Pistons had many lower picks now. Lakers NEVER tanked for their championship teams.
If you read my post, the Warriors NEVER tanked or drafted a key player higher than 7th. Pistons drafted higher players the past few years than the Warriors key players.

Where do you come up with this stuff?

So, of those teams, only 2 had a SINGLE bad year then got lucky in the draft. Neither intentionally tanked.

Cleveland may have been the only true tanking team and that was for 2 years where they got Kyrie and Bennet.

[tmorgan]

I've heard of the guy, and yes, he'll be a good player, more than likely.

The truth, though, is that lack of explosive athleticism DOES put a ceiling on your production, particularly from the guard spot. Don't get me wrong, lack of mental fortitude does too (Drummond, Hezonja), but a great player needs to be above average at worst in both areas. I'm not sure if Doncic has an NBA star's body or ever could have one.

While he's obviously not a super explosive athlete, he does have something else - a very good frame (he's already at 100kg - 220lbs, while neither looking fat, nor jacked; that's because his frame is quite big). He's also already more than willing to initiate contact playing vs. much older, stronger grown men, even to the point where he occasionally plays bully-ball, imagine what's going to happen when he gets stronger and bulkier.

His father was a "bull" also. Luka's simply not going to get thrown around, which is one of the problems some young *cough* white *cough* super-skilled phenoms face (and fail/bust because of it).

Personally, at the very least, I envision him as a much bigger Andre Miller with a SHOT, which is already quite scary. And that's like the worst scenario for me.

Actually, this pretty much fits what I was talking about. He's not a good athlete, but he has good size, a great mind for the game, and he has balls. His best path to success is probably to get bulkier and play the 3 or 4 as a superior passer and shooter for his position.

Sometimes, it's about who you can guard. I seriously doubt he can guard the perimeter in the NBA. He can cause matchup problems himself with his flexibility, but it isn't really a plus if it goes both ways. Doug McDermott with great vision is useful, but still not a #1 pick or even close. Not that I know that's definitely his ceiling or anything... he could be much better.

It'll be an interesting case of player development, certainly.

[Uncle Mxy]

I can totally see "tank hard" as a strategy that will bring fans to a new arena.

[Brapman]

If Reggie is on the team and healthy, we're a playoff team. If not, then "tank hard" is the way to go.

[DBC10]

Yeah, young guys giving their all and playing fast paced ball night in night out while scrappy for winning games sounds like a reasonable tank job to me. That's management literally grasping for straws for talent while also the benefit of landing a great pick.

Just sign any D-Leaguer or flyers out there next season and retain all of our young guys/guys who give a damn and let's see what we REALLY have. No more low effort Drummonds or bum knee RJs on this team.

[Pharaoh]

You don't have to tank to have young players playing fast paced, scrappy games though.

This board is interesting as **** to me:

Some believe we lack veteran leadership

Some believe we lack talent

Some believe we need to tank

Some believe we could be a playoff team with few changes

We can't all be right!

Said it before: many of you see no hope for the Pistons and that is what you want! HOPE!

No one can convince you there's hope here - it's all in your head

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[A_dub06]

Get your facts straight!

Dallas TRADED for Dirk.
Wade didn't win any ships on his own while he was drafted 5th, not top 3. They won their ships because they traded for Shaq and 2nd one they Signed Lebron and Bosh.
I already mentioned Duncan during the year when Robinson was injured, the rest of the team just sucked without Robinson. Spurs did not intentionally tank. That was in the 1997.
Cavs didn't win with Lebron before he left, then they tanked for Kyrie. But, they didn't tank for years on end. They were gifted Wiggins and the NBA helped set them up for a title run.
Lakers TRADED for Kobe who was a 13th pick while Pistons had many lower picks now. Lakers NEVER tanked for their championship teams.
If you read my post, the Warriors NEVER tanked or drafted a key player higher than 7th. Pistons drafted higher players the past few years than the Warriors key players.

Where do you come up with this stuff?

So, of those teams, only 2 had a SINGLE bad year then got lucky in the draft. Neither intentionally tanked.

Cleveland may have been the only true tanking team and that was for 2 years where they got Kyrie and Bennet.

Hahaha dude get YOUR facts straight!

I'm well aware Dallas traded Robert "Tractor" Taylor for Dirk and LAL traded someone (I think it was Divac) for Kobe but both of those teams told MIL & CHA who they wanted with pick so while they received them via trade, they still made the picks.

Miami did need Shaq but they wouldn't have won anything without the guaranteed hall of gamer Wade which was taken 5th in arguably the greatest draft ever so that's a bad example.

The Cavs on their tankathon got Waiters, Kyrie, Thompson, Bennett and Wiggins. So Yeah the Cavs did tank more than 2 years you peanut. They may not have picked the best but they still had the OPPORTUNITY which is what I'm banging on about.

Did you not follow the NBA when GSW won? Barnes was a key players high they tanked for and did so with Thompson regardless of him going 11th. I'm talking about tanking, not just tanking for top 5 picks but situational tanking. Like we should've done to get the 11th pick but no instead we win two meaningless games and finished with a better record, how the **** do you think that's a good move?

Miami didn't tank but drafted a HOFer, Dallas won 1 ring and fell off after that, Spurs tanked for one year and drafts a HOFer and the Lakers drafted a top 5 player with the 13th pick via trade 20 years ago and not to mention are LAL which automatically makes them a free agent destination.

Building an argument around drafting HOFers 20+ years ago or being in the greatest draft of all time is flimsy at best and gets us absolutely nowhere. In the modern day NBA you usually need a top 5 draft pick to land a star and there will be several teams tanking so it's join them or stay in basketball purgatory which we've been in for over a decade.


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