A_dub06 wrote:BadMofoPimp wrote:
Get your facts straight!
Dallas TRADED for Dirk.
Wade didn't win any ships on his own while he was drafted 5th, not top 3. They won their ships because they traded for Shaq and 2nd one they Signed Lebron and Bosh.
I already mentioned Duncan during the year when Robinson was injured, the rest of the team just sucked without Robinson. Spurs did not intentionally tank. That was in the 1997.
Cavs didn't win with Lebron before he left, then they tanked for Kyrie. But, they didn't tank for years on end. They were gifted Wiggins and the NBA helped set them up for a title run.
Lakers TRADED for Kobe who was a 13th pick while Pistons had many lower picks now. Lakers NEVER tanked for their championship teams.
If you read my post, the Warriors NEVER tanked or drafted a key player higher than 7th. Pistons drafted higher players the past few years than the Warriors key players.
Where do you come up with this stuff?
So, of those teams, only 2 had a SINGLE bad year then got lucky in the draft. Neither intentionally tanked.
Cleveland may have been the only true tanking team and that was for 2 years where they got Kyrie and Bennet.
Hahaha dude get YOUR facts straight!
I'm well aware Dallas traded Robert "Tractor" Taylor for Dirk and LAL traded someone (I think it was Divac) for Kobe but both of those teams told MIL & CHA who they wanted with pick so while they received them via trade, they still made the picks.
Miami did need Shaq but they wouldn't have won anything without the guaranteed hall of gamer Wade which was taken 5th in arguably the greatest draft ever so that's a bad example.
The Cavs on their tankathon got Waiters, Kyrie, Thompson, Bennett and Wiggins. So Yeah the Cavs did tank more than 2 years you peanut. They may not have picked the best but they still had the OPPORTUNITY which is what I'm banging on about.
Did you not follow the NBA when GSW won? Barnes was a key players high they tanked for and did so with Thompson regardless of him going 11th. I'm talking about tanking, not just tanking for top 5 picks but situational tanking. Like we should've done to get the 11th pick but no instead we win two meaningless games and finished with a better record, how the **** do you think that's a good move?
Miami didn't tank but drafted a HOFer, Dallas won 1 ring and fell off after that, Spurs tanked for one year and drafts a HOFer and the Lakers drafted a top 5 player with the 13th pick via trade 20 years ago and not to mention are LAL which automatically makes them a free agent destination.
Building an argument around drafting HOFers 20+ years ago or being in the greatest draft of all time is flimsy at best and gets us absolutely nowhere. In the modern day NBA you usually need a top 5 draft pick to land a star and there will be several teams tanking so it's join them or stay in basketball purgatory which we've been in for over a decade.
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I think you're missing the point though:
You can be terrible for YEARS and not land the difference maker everyone wants.
Kings sucked for years after Divac, Webber, Peja...got Cousins and it didn't matter.
People will say they're organization is dysfunctional as **** - in between their golden run they've changed owners and GMs and still suck!
Or look at Phoenix - since the Nash era they've sucked!
Orlando - since McGrady theyve sucked!
Washington are the hot team atm - sucked forever with or without John Wall!
Charlotte, Atlanta, Chicago, Denver, Dallas, Indiana, Lakers, Memphis, Minny, Bucks etc have all sucked or been treading water for YEARS and haven't won anything of significance
So the answer IS drafting Hall of Fame talent and YES in order to do that you likely need numerous top 5 picks BUT:
There is no guarantee you'll land a HOF player with 1 or 2 or 3 top 5-7 picks in a row...and then what?
You keep tanking?
There's not an owner in the entire league that's gonna let you as a GM/VP tank hard as **** for 3-5 years
It's a exercise in futility to even think about us tanking for 1 to 3 years - Gores will not sign off on it!
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