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Our Problem and Our Solution 

Post#1 » by Blkbrd671 » Tue Jun 27, 2017 3:21 am

i posted this in the Kennard Thread
When you look at the elite Nba teams of today, their star players all have a elite skillset, and the next level superstar players combine that skillset with athleticism. The Problem with the Pistons is that they have a team full of players who lack a elite skill set but can mask that deficiency with athleticism and the excuse of youth.



As stated, our problem is that we don't have many skilled players or i could argue polished players.

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KCP's shot is improving but average behind the line
RJ's got sick handles and improving 3, but efficiency is still average and he has no clue how to utilize his dribble to suit his game
Tobias is a mismatch physically but if you take away his ability to get to the rim he becomes limited to a pull up jump shot
Dre has all the mobility and first step but consistently looks like he's jsut trying sh* out that he see's on Youtube.
SJ ...............everything

Our initial solution is as always "They are young and they'll improve". Well this is the year that the year RJ and Dre no longer have that excuse and its time to "prove it". I really don't think they'll accomplish that goal or at least improve enough that it'll change all our minds on how we view both them moving forward.

I do think that both Henry and Luke are going to open our eyes to how valuable a player with a polished skillset is and i could definitely see us shift our focus away from the 1-5 PNR and seeing alot more off ball movement and screens.

To be clear , i am not saying we'll trade Dre and RJ, but rather that we'll start seeing legit other options for our core in other players and that will be the initial steps towards those thoughts. Our team was at its best when KCP and TH were both our highest usage players.
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Post#2 » by lowdcruz » Tue Jun 27, 2017 4:30 am

I think we're on the same page. Big fan of KCP and Harris. I just posted my first post. "How would you fix the pistons" let me know what you think
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Post#3 » by Montanabadboy » Tue Jun 27, 2017 4:44 am

Blkbrd671 wrote:i posted this in the Kennard Thread
When you look at the elite Nba teams of today, their star players all have a elite skillset, and the next level superstar players combine that skillset with athleticism. The Problem with the Pistons is that they have a team full of players who lack a elite skill set but can mask that deficiency with athleticism and the excuse of youth.



As stated, our problem is that we don't have many skilled players or i could argue polished players.

ie
KCP's shot is improving but average behind the line
RJ's got sick handles and improving 3, but efficiency is still average and he has no clue how to utilize his dribble to suit his game
Tobias is a mismatch physically but if you take away his ability to get to the rim he becomes limited to a pull up jump shot
Dre has all the mobility and first step but consistently looks like he's jsut trying sh* out that he see's on Youtube.
SJ ...............everything

Our initial solution is as always "They are young and they'll improve". Well this is the year that the year RJ and Dre no longer have that excuse and its time to "prove it". I really don't think they'll accomplish that goal or at least improve enough that it'll change all our minds on how we view both them moving forward.

I do think that both Henry and Luke are going to open our eyes to how valuable a player with a polished skillset is and i could definitely see us shift our focus away from the 1-5 PNR and seeing alot more off ball movement and screens.

To be clear , i am not saying we'll trade Dre and RJ, but rather that we'll start seeing legit other options for our core in other players and that will be the initial steps towards those thoughts. Our team was at its best when KCP and TH were both our highest usage players.


I actually agree with a lot of that, and that's the #1 reason I like the Kennard pick. He has an elite(potentially) skill set. I've said all along, I like Mitchell, but name one thing that he does better than anybody else on our team? The NBA is full of great athletes, heck so is the D league, but it's the skilled ball players that make an impact. I'm really looking forward to seeing Luke and Henry (wow, was there ever a less athletic sounding duo?) in the summer league. It should be fun.
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Post#4 » by Pharaoh » Tue Jun 27, 2017 5:12 am

KCP is average behind the line...

RJs efficiency is average

Tobias settles for long pull up jumpers

All 3 of those problems are due to the system SVG has in place where RJ pounds the air outta the ball while KCP & Tobias are left waiting for the pass with time running out.

You and many others are now hoping that somehow the addition of Kennard (& Henry?) to the rotation makes SVG open his eyes to a different option...

If he didn't change it after seeing Tobias & KCP thrive for 3 months with Ish giving it up early and often what makes you think SVG will change it because of Kennard?

Seems Luke is "The Great White Hope" here...

I don't believe SVG will change his system for a rookie and won't go away from his system while we've got Dre/RJ as the PnR tandem

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Post#5 » by ChipButty » Tue Jun 27, 2017 5:05 pm

Blkbrd671 wrote:To be clear , i am not saying we'll trade Dre and RJ, but rather that we'll start seeing legit other options for our core in other players and that will be the initial steps towards those thoughts. Our team was at its best when KCP and TH were both our highest usage players.


I took a look at the advanced gamelogs and, assuming i didn't miscount;

In games where KCP had a USG% higher than 20 we were 11 and 31.
In games where Dre had a USG% higher than 24 we were 18 and 31.

Feed Dre!
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Post#6 » by JohnReese » Tue Jun 27, 2017 7:56 pm

I think Kennard can play PG if his handle is good enough. Defensively, you hide him behind KCP (putting him to defend the best of the opposite backourt).

Kennard-KCP-Johnson-Harris-Center should be able to move the ball and share duties with it. Kennard and Johnson are supposed to be able to create and Harris-KCP have shown big improvement at handling PG duties.
When it's time to defend KCP can guard 1 and 2s, Johnson 2 and 3s, and Harris 3-4s. That would be a very versatile lineup.

Also, I would like to see Ellenson at the center some minutes, as a version of Okur (great memories).
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Re: Our Problem and Our Solution 

Post#7 » by Blkbrd671 » Wed Jun 28, 2017 1:44 am

ChipButty wrote:
Blkbrd671 wrote:To be clear , i am not saying we'll trade Dre and RJ, but rather that we'll start seeing legit other options for our core in other players and that will be the initial steps towards those thoughts. Our team was at its best when KCP and TH were both our highest usage players.


I took a look at the advanced gamelogs and, assuming i didn't miscount;

In games where KCP had a USG% higher than 20 we were 11 and 31.
In games where Dre had a USG% higher than 24 we were 18 and 31.

Feed Dre!


What about the game before RJ returned?
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Post#8 » by Blkbrd671 » Wed Jun 28, 2017 1:54 am

Pharaoh wrote:KCP is average behind the line...

RJs efficiency is average

Tobias settles for long pull up jumpers

All 3 of those problems are due to the system SVG has in place where RJ pounds the air outta the ball while KCP & Tobias are left waiting for the pass with time running out.

You and many others are now hoping that somehow the addition of Kennard (& Henry?) to the rotation makes SVG open his eyes to a different option...

If he didn't change it after seeing Tobias & KCP thrive for 3 months with Ish giving it up early and often what makes you think SVG will change it because of Kennard?


We were .500 or like 1 game above it, so its not like KCP and TH were dominating the league however our team defensively responded much better when those 2 held the highest usage. This whole notion that "SVG didn't give it up last season so he wont do it this season" lacks serious context and makes little to no sense.

My point is that for first time in a long time, we have 2 players in Henry and Luke that bring tangible skillset to the team rather than the hope of future value. I mean look at our core, it full of players we hope will develop into stars but that's based mostly on the theory that their skills will catch up to their physical profile.


Luke is "The Great White Hope" here...

I don't believe SVG will change his system for a rookie and won't go away from his system while we've got Dre/RJ as the PnR tandem

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Obviously you don't, i just don't see a valid argument as to why he would continue to pound RJ and Dre if it continues to not work. Its a new season, new roster, new rotations, and training camp will determine everything.
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Post#9 » by Pharaoh » Wed Jun 28, 2017 2:52 am

Blkbrd671 wrote:
Pharaoh wrote:KCP is average behind the line...

RJs efficiency is average

Tobias settles for long pull up jumpers

All 3 of those problems are due to the system SVG has in place where RJ pounds the air outta the ball while KCP & Tobias are left waiting for the pass with time running out.

You and many others are now hoping that somehow the addition of Kennard (& Henry?) to the rotation makes SVG open his eyes to a different option...

If he didn't change it after seeing Tobias & KCP thrive for 3 months with Ish giving it up early and often what makes you think SVG will change it because of Kennard?


We were .500 or like 1 game above it, so its not like KCP and TH were dominating the league however our team defensively responded much better when those 2 held the highest usage. This whole notion that "SVG didn't give it up last season so he wont do it this season" lacks serious context and makes little to no sense.

My point is that for first time in a long time, we have 2 players in Henry and Luke that bring tangible skillset to the team rather than the hope of future value. I mean look at our core, it full of players we hope will develop into stars but that's based mostly on the theory that their skills will catch up to their physical profile.


Luke is "The Great White Hope" here...

I don't believe SVG will change his system for a rookie and won't go away from his system while we've got Dre/RJ as the PnR tandem

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Obviously you don't, i just don't see a valid argument as to why he would continue to pound RJ and Dre if it continues to not work. Its a new season, new roster, new rotations, and training camp will determine everything.


How does the notion that SVG didn't give up last season lack context or not make sense?

I know you weren't here for the end of the season but after we went through our fade out stretch SVG didn't change the rotation to give significantly more minutes to SJ or Henry

He kept plugging away with the usual suspects...just like he plugged RJ straight back in despite the team thriving with Ish as the starter

Either SVG is oblivious to what we're seeing or there's an agenda at play that we're refusing to accept:

Dre & RJ are the cornerstones and until they are dealt we will roll with that PnR combo because we made the playoffs with that.

You can dream about Kingy & Kennard changing the rotation and structures but it's not happening

It didn't happen when we were thriving with Ish! That's the truth. There's enough "context" there IMO

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Post#10 » by flow » Wed Jun 28, 2017 3:19 am

Blkbrd671 wrote:
Pharaoh wrote:KCP is average behind the line...

RJs efficiency is average

Tobias settles for long pull up jumpers

All 3 of those problems are due to the system SVG has in place where RJ pounds the air outta the ball while KCP & Tobias are left waiting for the pass with time running out.

You and many others are now hoping that somehow the addition of Kennard (& Henry?) to the rotation makes SVG open his eyes to a different option...

If he didn't change it after seeing Tobias & KCP thrive for 3 months with Ish giving it up early and often what makes you think SVG will change it because of Kennard?


We were .500 or like 1 game above it, so its not like KCP and TH were dominating the league however our team defensively responded much better when those 2 held the highest usage. This whole notion that "SVG didn't give it up last season so he wont do it this season" lacks serious context and makes little to no sense.

My point is that for first time in a long time, we have 2 players in Henry and Luke that bring tangible skillset to the team rather than the hope of future value. I mean look at our core, it full of players we hope will develop into stars but that's based mostly on the theory that their skills will catch up to their physical profile.


Luke is "The Great White Hope" here...

I don't believe SVG will change his system for a rookie and won't go away from his system while we've got Dre/RJ as the PnR tandem

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Obviously you don't, i just don't see a valid argument as to why he would continue to pound RJ and Dre if it continues to not work. Its a new season, new roster, new rotations, and training camp will determine everything.

Because that's exactly what he did this past season while it continued not to work. And as of now we have one new player. Not a new roster.
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Post#11 » by ImHeisenberg » Wed Jun 28, 2017 9:25 am

You stated a problem, but lacked any solution. :lol:
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Post#12 » by Dubcity33 » Wed Jun 28, 2017 9:31 am

Lol don't think there is a future for your sorry team fellas. I mean Drummond is a hack. Shoots what at the line? 37% lol that's your star max level player? No offensive game and a weak defender......geez and now you are gonna max out KCP? Lol dude is a 3 and D player and you giving him max? You pay Reggie as much as John Wall lol I mean the decisions your team have made are abysmal. Now you guys think Kennard is the answer? Lol good luck for the lottery next season guys.
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Post#13 » by ImHeisenberg » Wed Jun 28, 2017 9:37 am

Dubcity33 wrote:Lol don't think there is a future for your sorry team fellas. I mean Drummond is a hack. Shoots what at the line? 37% lol that's your star max level player? No offensive game and a weak defender......geez and now you are gonna max out KCP? Lol dude is a 3 and D player and you giving him max? You pay Reggie as much as John Wall lol I mean the decisions your team have made are abysmal. Now you guys think Kennard is the answer? Lol good luck for the lottery next season guys.

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Post#14 » by Mr Peanut » Wed Jun 28, 2017 9:53 am

Dubcity33 wrote:Lol don't think there is a future for your sorry team fellas. I mean Drummond is a hack. Shoots what at the line? 37% lol that's your star max level player? No offensive game and a weak defender......geez and now you are gonna max out KCP? Lol dude is a 3 and D player and you giving him max? You pay Reggie as much as John Wall lol I mean the decisions your team have made are abysmal. Now you guys think Kennard is the answer? Lol good luck for the lottery next season guys.


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Post#15 » by Pharaoh » Wed Jun 28, 2017 10:33 am

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Dubcity33 wrote:Lol don't think there is a future for your sorry team fellas. I mean Drummond is a hack. Shoots what at the line? 37% lol that's your star max level player? No offensive game and a weak defender......geez and now you are gonna max out KCP? Lol dude is a 3 and D player and you giving him max? You pay Reggie as much as John Wall lol I mean the decisions your team have made are abysmal. Now you guys think Kennard is the answer? Lol good luck for the lottery next season guys.

Thanks for stopping by and trolling us.

Always amazes me that random clowns drop by to talk trash about our team.

We've won 3 championships FFS! Ain't many teams that can claim that over the last 25 years.

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Post#16 » by Blkbrd671 » Wed Jun 28, 2017 9:50 pm

Pharaoh wrote:
How does the notion that SVG didn't give up last season lack context or not make sense?


because your obviously ignoring the season before that where the 1-5 PnR took us to the playoffs
because your obviously ignoring RJ was tearing up training camp, before his injury
because your obviously ignoring the fact that we made the decision to move forward with RJ and Dre to build around and SVG would look like a complete idiot if he gave up on it based on half a season with a player returning from injury.


I know you weren't here for the end of the season but after we went through our fade out stretch SVG didn't change the rotation to give significantly more minutes to SJ or Henry


just because i am not here, doesn't mean i am not watching.
and again CONTEXT

SJ was in the dog house all year and listening to his recent comments he apparently was a little sh* with coach. Regardless, you can't ignore the fact that SJ does get plays called for him which is unusual being so young and the fact he struggles offensively. AGAIN, the question is consistency.

He kept plugging away with the usual suspects...just like he plugged RJ straight back in despite the team thriving with Ish as the starter


1 game above .500............wouldn't call that thriving

Either SVG is oblivious to what we're seeing or there's an agenda at play that we're refusing to accept:

Dre & RJ are the cornerstones and until they are dealt we will roll with that PnR combo because we made the playoffs with that.

You can dream about Kingy & Kennard changing the rotation and structures but it's not happening

It didn't happen when we were thriving with Ish! That's the truth. There's enough "context" there IMO

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"Well he didn't do it last season, so he won't do it now"

IMO is amateurish

especially when a coach has already shown flexibility. Heaven forbid a player develops and forces a coach to make a rotation decision. Your chastising SVG because he didn't give up on our franchise cornerstone pg for Ish smith....................As been repeated, we didn't thrive without RJ, we just were a better mediocre team

If the RJ drum isn't working and other players begin to seperate themselves from the rest of the roster, there is no relevant evidence that SVG wouldn't be willing to make a adjustment in a new season.


Agree to disagree.
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Post#17 » by Blkbrd671 » Wed Jun 28, 2017 10:05 pm

flow wrote:Because that's exactly what he did this past season while it continued not to work.


I get as fans , we become 2kish, and think these players are just avatars, but in reality when you consider emotions, public statements, thousands if not millions of dollars of planning around certain players , you simply don't just give that up based on not even a seasons worth of play from a player returning from injury.

If anything, SVG to his peers would look like a complete amateur.





And as of now we have one new player. Not a new roster.


Great comment

My assumptions is that we actually have the same/similar roster but better players.

I would even go as far to say that even if the 1-5 PnR remains effective, KCP or SJ or TH and small possibility of LK will force coach to expand his offensive play book to not be so PG dominant.

In regards to moving forward, there wasn't 1 player that really separated himself as our best player , so even if SVG wanted to move away from RJ, he didn't have a viable option. I believe this season, we'll see some viable options from either SJ , KCP, LK, or HE.

While LK and HE feel like they are long shots, i think the reality of it is that they are more likely to become franchise pieces. I also really think LK is going to be a superstar scorer once he gets his feet wet.
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Post#18 » by Blkbrd671 » Wed Jun 28, 2017 10:17 pm

Dubcity33 wrote:Lol don't think there is a future for your sorry team fellas. I mean Drummond is a hack. Shoots what at the line? 37% lol that's your star max level player? No offensive game and a weak defender......geez and now you are gonna max out KCP? Lol dude is a 3 and D player and you giving him max? You pay Reggie as much as John Wall lol I mean the decisions your team have made are abysmal. Now you guys think Kennard is the answer? Lol good luck for the lottery next season guys.


From your comments , its clear you lack any bball iq in context , understand the CBA , options of small market teams etc....... in fact everything about your comment screams bandwagon fan that comments on internet boards because your actual friends know you know the closest thing you know about basketball is Kim Kardashian f* one and bought a warriors jersey because everyone stopped wearing Niners.

Please stop embarrassing your board and team

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