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Re: RE: Re: KCP + Morris 

Post#21 » by Blkbrd671 » Tue Sep 26, 2017 2:07 am

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theBigLip wrote:I don't think the players meeting had anything to do with this.

It is unfortunate that we lost KCP without getting anything in return. Or in some weird way we can think that we traded KCP and Mook for AB on a 1 year deal. Not sure if that is a good deal.


well lets assume that we do trade KCP and not rescind him. History tells us our return wouldn't have been great for S&T.


i really think the Pistons attitude towards KCP's contract changed when SVG got to see LK,HE & SJ at practice and in SL. When you combine LK's future, KCP's asking price, SJ's & HE improvement and AB's current contract. it makes some sort of sense.

Let KCP go, free up minutes for LK, and have AB replace KCP
Let Mook go, free up minutes for SJ and HE, and have a rotation of HE, SJ, TH at the forward spots

I think overall our roster is more balanced


I'll never get why we let KCP go for nothing, it makes 0 sense other the fact that there's wasn't anything available that woulodn't require the pistons to buy out a player.

We let him go because even in a S&T you gotta take back salary and we're too close to the tax line to take back much.

At that point Galloway was signed too so we already had AB, RJ, Ish, Luke & Galloway on the roster.

Assuming we take back minimal salary - the guy would be a forward and roadblock SJ & Henry

I understand people being irked about losing a "asset" for nothing but sometimes you just gotta roll with the circumstances you found yourself in.



still doesn't explain why we rescinded so quick, we could have at least held him and see what was available . I think SVG the man got in the way of SVG the GM
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Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: KCP + Morris 

Post#22 » by Pharaoh » Tue Sep 26, 2017 5:05 am

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well lets assume that we do trade KCP and not rescind him. History tells us our return wouldn't have been great for S&T.


i really think the Pistons attitude towards KCP's contract changed when SVG got to see LK,HE & SJ at practice and in SL. When you combine LK's future, KCP's asking price, SJ's & HE improvement and AB's current contract. it makes some sort of sense.

Let KCP go, free up minutes for LK, and have AB replace KCP
Let Mook go, free up minutes for SJ and HE, and have a rotation of HE, SJ, TH at the forward spots

I think overall our roster is more balanced


I'll never get why we let KCP go for nothing, it makes 0 sense other the fact that there's wasn't anything available that woulodn't require the pistons to buy out a player.

We let him go because even in a S&T you gotta take back salary and we're too close to the tax line to take back much.

At that point Galloway was signed too so we already had AB, RJ, Ish, Luke & Galloway on the roster.

Assuming we take back minimal salary - the guy would be a forward and roadblock SJ & Henry

I understand people being irked about losing a "asset" for nothing but sometimes you just gotta roll with the circumstances you found yourself in.



still doesn't explain why we rescinded so quick, we could have at least held him and see what was available . I think SVG the man got in the way of SVG the GM

How so?

Given the likely return via S&T how does he sign KCP to a large deal and then take back salary while staying under the hard cap?
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Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: KCP + Morris 

Post#23 » by Blkbrd671 » Tue Sep 26, 2017 5:07 am

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Pharaoh wrote:We let him go because even in a S&T you gotta take back salary and we're too close to the tax line to take back much.

At that point Galloway was signed too so we already had AB, RJ, Ish, Luke & Galloway on the roster.

Assuming we take back minimal salary - the guy would be a forward and roadblock SJ & Henry

I understand people being irked about losing a "asset" for nothing but sometimes you just gotta roll with the circumstances you found yourself in.



still doesn't explain why we rescinded so quick, we could have at least held him and see what was available . I think SVG the man got in the way of SVG the GM

How so?

Given the likely return via S&T how does he sign KCP to a large deal and then take back salary while staying under the hard cap?


I don't have connections with all the teams, so i can't exactly tell you what we could have gotten, but point is we didn't even try to find out and there's simply no reason for not "trying".
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Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: KCP + Morris 

Post#24 » by Pharaoh » Tue Sep 26, 2017 7:30 am

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still doesn't explain why we rescinded so quick, we could have at least held him and see what was available . I think SVG the man got in the way of SVG the GM

How so?

Given the likely return via S&T how does he sign KCP to a large deal and then take back salary while staying under the hard cap?


I don't have connections with all the teams, so i can't exactly tell you what we could have gotten, but point is we didn't even try to find out and there's simply no reason for not "trying".


How do we know they didn't attempt a S&T?

Maybe Rich Paul refused one? Maybe he played hard ball?

As you said we don't have all the info
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Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: KCP + Morris 

Post#25 » by Blkbrd671 » Tue Sep 26, 2017 7:52 am

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Pharaoh wrote:How so?

Given the likely return via S&T how does he sign KCP to a large deal and then take back salary while staying under the hard cap?


I don't have connections with all the teams, so i can't exactly tell you what we could have gotten, but point is we didn't even try to find out and there's simply no reason for not "trying".


How do we know they didn't attempt a S&T?

Maybe Rich Paul refused one? Maybe he played hard ball?

As you said we don't have all the info


okay? this discussion is going no where as always. Agree to disagree, but at this point i have no idea what your point is
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Re: KCP + Morris 

Post#26 » by Pharaoh » Tue Sep 26, 2017 9:29 am

My point is and has been that people whine about us renouncing KCP & blame SVG for getting nothing for a asset...as if he didn't try!

There's simply no reason for not trying...

Someone states that and I call them on it and then...

Yep, no point discussing it now
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Re: KCP + Morris 

Post#27 » by BadMofoPimp » Sun Oct 1, 2017 2:18 pm

I am thinking I will like Avery more than KCP and Morris.

Here are some quotes from last nights Lakers game thread:

Kswiss wrote:
Sushisensei26 wrote:
Danny Darko wrote:Kcp... Not digging his game early

Just half a game so far but I'm not getting good vibes.

Very happy it's a one year deal


Michael Lucky wrote:
iamworthy wrote:KCP.....18 mill

God's gift.


Danny Darko wrote:My Grades:

KCP- D a few defensive plays but shot 1-7 while looking uninterested


XXBKXX wrote:
iamworthy wrote:KCP.....18 mill

Mana?? More like locusts


Danny Darko wrote:So kcp for 6th man?


what would jack bauer do? wrote:I'm loving the new JC. We look like we're playing with butter knives with KCP out there.


But, Kuzma is the Real Deal.
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Re: KCP + Morris 

Post#28 » by MotownMadness » Sun Oct 1, 2017 2:26 pm

BadMofoPimp wrote:I am thinking I will like Avery more than KCP and Morris.

Here are some quotes from last nights Lakers game thread:

Kswiss wrote:
Sushisensei26 wrote:Just half a game so far but I'm not getting good vibes.

Very happy it's a one year deal


Michael Lucky wrote:
iamworthy wrote:KCP.....18 mill

God's gift.


Danny Darko wrote:My Grades:

KCP- D a few defensive plays but shot 1-7 while looking uninterested


XXBKXX wrote:
iamworthy wrote:KCP.....18 mill

Mana?? More like locusts


Danny Darko wrote:So kcp for 6th man?


what would jack bauer do? wrote:I'm loving the new JC. We look like we're playing with butter knives with KCP out there.


But, Kuzma is the Real Deal.

Man his agent probably screwed him cause he's not getting that offer again unless he really ups that efficiency
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Re: KCP + Morris 

Post#29 » by hoophabit » Sun Oct 1, 2017 4:30 pm

Would the first preseason game be considered a small sample? Early bump? Do you think LBJ sees Kuzma in his dreams? ;-)
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Re: KCP + Morris 

Post#30 » by Blkbrd671 » Mon Oct 2, 2017 12:39 am

hoophabit wrote:Would the first preseason game be considered a small sample? Early bump? Do you think LBJ sees Kuzma in his dreams? ;-)


i think its more , "we've seen this before "


most players coming off of training camp have no legs, and looking at KCP's break away dunk where he barely got above the rim, most definitely some tired legs. My problem is that he's been in the league long enough that its not a excuse any more........sort of
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Re: KCP + Morris 

Post#31 » by Billl » Tue Oct 3, 2017 1:44 am

1-7 isn't exactly and unusually outing for KCP. Guy is a streaky jump shooter. Looks great when they are going in and pretty bad when they aren't.
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Re: KCP + Morris 

Post#32 » by Snakebites » Tue Oct 3, 2017 4:06 am

Canadafan wrote:Were they the main characters that called that players meeting last year? Coincidence SVG jettisoned both?
I feel like our defence will be even better with SJ and Bradley replacing them. Offensively too with better ball movement and shooting. SJ moves with and without the ball much better than isolation specialist Marcus. Bradley better shooter than KCP


Total coincidence.

Morris had a perfect valuable cheap deal that made him the perfect chip in the Avery Bradley trade.

And KCP was asking for more than he was worth from us.

Made total sense to move/let go both without invoking that context.
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Re: RE: Re: KCP + Morris 

Post#33 » by Manocad » Tue Oct 3, 2017 5:58 pm

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Canadafan wrote:Were they the main characters that called that players meeting last year? Coincidence SVG jettisoned both?
I feel like our defence will be even better with SJ and Bradley replacing them. Offensively too with better ball movement and shooting. SJ moves with and without the ball much better than isolation specialist Marcus. Bradley better shooter than KCP


WTF?? KCP and Mook and the team meeting had absolutely nothing to do with anything. What a reach

what exactly is the point of this thread?

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Re: KCP + Morris 

Post#34 » by Kilo » Tue Oct 3, 2017 10:59 pm

Speaking of Mook...

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Re: RE: Re: KCP + Morris 

Post#35 » by Pharaoh » Wed Oct 4, 2017 12:24 pm

Kilo wrote:Speaking of Mook...

Read on Twitter

Not a surprise but I bet they're relieved it's over
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Re: RE: Re: KCP + Morris 

Post#36 » by GreekAlex » Wed Oct 4, 2017 9:18 pm

Pharaoh wrote:
Kilo wrote:Speaking of Mook...

Read on Twitter

Not a surprise but I bet they're relieved it's over


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Re: KCP + Morris 

Post#37 » by itsallaboutme » Thu Oct 5, 2017 12:30 am

The reports were that Morris was the one that challenged the group, particularly Andre to be better. I never thought of it as a negative. The big knock was that we lacked leaders and it seemed like we would miss that in the locker room, however AB has stepped in and taken on this role.

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