SF Trade Targets

[GreekAlex]

While Stanley is given the chance to develop, the Pistons need another SF that can play 20-25 minutes depending on the matchups.

I'd rather see Tobias at the 4 with Tolliver getting 18 minutes as his backup rather than forcing Tobias to the 3. The Spurs ultra large front court is an exception.

I believe the focus of any trade should be 2 fold.
1. Acquiring a 3D SF
2. Shedding salary at underutilized roster spots

I'd be willing to part with a first round pick if a deal satisfied both needs.

Please be creative and help me create realistic deals both teams would accept.

A secondary goal would be to find a competent backup center. I was comfortable with Baynes starting when Andre missed games but this year is a different story.

Some trade targets I've identified are:
1. Jared Dudley
2. Wesley Mathews
3. DeMarre Carrol
4. Harrison Barnes
5. Tyreke Evans
6. Joe Johnson
7. Luol Deng

I've intentionally left off unrealistic targets or players that would require trading one of the starters. Please feel free to add anyone you think I've missed.

I just want to get this discussion going because I think these are the 2 most pressing team needs and I could see a deal like this being very impactful right now.

[menten]

Ellenson + Galloway for Wilson Chandler?

[GreekAlex]

Ellenson + Galloway for Wilson Chandler?

I'd be all for it but Chandler starts for them.

What does this package give Denver?

[Kilo]

Chandler seems to want out in Denver. Don't think those players would work though. Definitely not Galloway as they have SG's out the arse.

[Kilo]

Utah has Thabo Sefolosha along with Joe Johnson.

[Canadafan]

Marcus Morris. Lol. Imagine we still had him though. Especially if his iso's would be cut down.
Wilson Chandler would be nice even though he hasn't been great this year.
Harrison Barnes would be a nice fit for us too. Paul George a better fit but both are unlikely.

[vege]

We don't need someone to split minutes with SJ, we need to 100% move on from him, we failed to develop the kid, he is a disaster, we need a starter and a backup SF. Let SAS or someone else develop him and turn him into an NBA player, right now he is not even close to be and should be out of the league, he is THAT BAD.

- Jared Dudley - Shouldn't cost more than a 2nd and expirings

- DeMarre Carroll - Should be attainable a lotto protected 1st should be plenty of value for him, maybe even Ellenson could do the trick, I don't know. Ellenson is another guy we should let go, he is not an NBA player, he is talented but can't play any defense.

- Thabo Sefolosha - Shouldn't be expensive, not sure if Utah would trade him tho

- Al-Farouq Aminu - Is shooting 46% from 3, he is a great defender, Portland is over the LT and their team is not good enough to justify paying the LT (neither is ours) So saving money and giving them some talent in return should do the trick. He is playing PF but should be a good fit next to Tobias regardless of who plays where.

- Jae Crowder - Bad fit in Cleveland? He is on a good contract tho, we would probably have to give up a 1st for him or even search for a 3rd team to facilitate the trade.

- Jerami Grant - I bet they would do Boban for him if we can make the money work, he is playing some C and he is a SF. Boban for Singler and Grant?

- CJ Miles - We were reported to be interested in him but he went to Toronto, I'd love to get him, he is a great player. Not sure what would be the cost tho but maybe he is expendable because of Anunoby?

- Wilson Chandler - Shouldn't be expensive since he is playing like ****, maybe they do Boban and SJ for him and try to develop SJ?

Detroit Out: Boban Marjanovic / Stanley Johnson
Detroit In: Wilson Chandler / Jerami Grant

Denver Out: Wilson Chandler
Denver In: Kyle Singler / Stanley Johnson

OKC Out: Kyle Singler / Jerami Grant
OKC In: Boban Marjanovic

Andre Drummond / Eric Moreland / Jon Leuer
Tobias Harris / Anthony Tolliver / Henry Ellenson
Wilson Chandler / Jerami Grant / Reggie Bullock
Avery Bradley / Luke Kennard / Langston Galloway
Reggie Jackson / Ish Smith

That's a more ballanced roster and a much better team imo. We might need to dump Ellenson to drop out of the LT but I think we would still be below the LT, we would be 10k over the tax but not sure how the salary work since part of it has being paid already

But if needed we can donate Ellenson to someone and sign a min salary veteran and stay under the LT.

[DocRI]

I have always loved Tyreke Evans as a target 'cuz he can facilitate from the SF position (and his improved 3 point shooting the past few years is a huge bonus). The big questions are, is Memphis just willing to essentially blow it up this season, and how much will we pay for what's likely a half-year rental? As I think Evans would really solidify us for a playoff run, I'd humbly suggest —

DET OUT / MEM IN: Reggie Bullock and DET's 2018 1st round pick (top 20 protected for three years, otherwise converts to two 2nd rounders, or something like that)

MEM OUT / DET IN: Tyreke Evans and MEM's 2018 2nd round pick (this is complicated, but they should have a high 2nd to trade; Memphis will receive the most favorable of its 2018 2nd round pick, Charlotte's 2018 2nd round pick and Miami's 2018 2nd round pick and Phoenix will receive the second most favorable and Houston will receive the least favorable of these three picks).

Basically, what should be about a 15-slot drop on draft night for a Tyreke rental. Not sure how Memphis passes that up for an expiring asset if their season is cooked, and seems a fair overpay for us to address a significant need.

Regarding Wilson Chandler — what the hell happened to him this year? Has he just been rendered obsolete with all the new / young talent the Nuggets now have? 'Cuz his minutes are the same, but his percentages have plummeted across the board and his shot attempts have been cut in half. Plus, he crossed the dreaded rubicon and is now 30 years old. He could be a steal if his decline is all based upon circumstance, but I think he's a flat "do not want" if he's lost a step, and I haven't seen enough Nuggets games this year to judge.

[GreekAlex]

We don't need someone to split minutes with SJ, we need to 100% move on from him, we failed to develop the kid, he is a disaster, we need a starter and a backup SF. Let SAS or someone else develop him and turn him into an NBA player, right now he is not even close to be and should be out of the league, he is THAT BAD.

- Jared Dudley - Shouldn't cost more than a 2nd and expirings

- DeMarre Carroll - Should be attainable a lotto protected 1st should be plenty of value for him, maybe even Ellenson could do the trick, I don't know. Ellenson is another guy we should let go, he is not an NBA player, he is talented but can't play any defense.

- Thabo Sefolosha - Shouldn't be expensive, not sure if Utah would trade him tho

- Al-Farouq Aminu - Is shooting 46% from 3, he is a great defender, Portland is over the LT and their team is not good enough to justify paying the LT (neither is ours) So saving money and giving them some talent in return should do the trick. He is playing PF but should be a good fit next to Tobias regardless of who plays where.

- Jae Crawder - Bad fit in Cleveland? He is on a good contract tho, we would probably have to give up a 1st for him or even search for a 3rd team to facilitate the trade.

- Jerami Grant - I bet they would do Boban for him if we can make the money work, he is playing some C and he is a SF. Boban for Singler and Grant?

- CJ Miles - We were reported to be interested in him but he went to Toronto, I'd love to get him, he is a great player. Not sure what would be the cost tho but maybe he is expendable because of Anunoby?

- Wilson Chandler - Shouldn't be expensive since he is playing like ****, maybe they do Boban and SJ for him and try to develop SJ?

Detroit Out: Boban Marjanovic / Stanley Johnson
Detroit In: Wilson Chandler / Jerami Grant

Denver Out: Wilson Chandler
Denver In: Kyle Singler / Stanley Johnson

OKC Out: Kyle Singler / Jerami Grant
OKC In: Boban Marjanovic

Andre Drummond / Eric Moreland / Jon Leuer
Tobias Harris / Anthony Tolliver / Henry Ellenson
Wilson Chandler / Jerami Grant / Reggie Bullock
Avery Bradley / Luke Kennard / Langston Galloway
Reggie Jackson / Ish Smith

That's a more ballanced roster and a much better team imo. We might need to dump Ellenson to drop out of the LT but I think we would still be below the LT, we would be 10k over the tax but not sure how the salary work since part of it has being paid already

But if needed we can donate Ellenson to someone and sign a min salary veteran and stay under the LT.

Lots of good ideas. I left off some of those players because I was trying to stay away from teams that looked playoff bound and were giving minutes to the trade target.

[GreekAlex]

I have always loved Tyreke Evans as a target 'cuz he can facilitate from the SF position (and his improved 3 point shooting the past few years is a huge bonus). The big questions are, is Memphis just willing to essentially blow it up this season, and how much will we pay for what's likely a half-year rental? As I think Evans would really solidify us for a playoff run, I'd humbly suggest —

DET OUT / MEM IN: Reggie Bullock and DET's 2018 1st round pick (top 20 protected for three years, otherwise converts to two 2nd rounders, or something like that)

MEM OUT / DET IN: Tyreke Evans and MEM's 2018 2nd round pick (this is complicated, but they should have a high 2nd to trade; Memphis will receive the most favorable of its 2018 2nd round pick, Charlotte's 2018 2nd round pick and Miami's 2018 2nd round pick and Phoenix will receive the second most favorable and Houston will receive the least favorable of these three picks).

Basically, what should be about a 15-slot drop on draft night for a Tyreke rental. Not sure how Memphis passes that up for an expiring asset if their season is cooked, and seems a fair overpay for us to address a significant need.

Regarding Wilson Chandler — what the hell happened to him this year? Has he just been rendered obsolete with all the new / young talent the Nuggets now have? 'Cuz his minutes are the same, but his percentages have plummeted across the board and his shot attempts have been cut in half. Plus, he crossed the dreaded rubicon and is now 30 years old. He could be a steal if his decline is all based upon circumstance, but I think he's a flat "do not want" if he's lost a step, and I haven't seen enough Nuggets games this year to judge.

Your Tyreke trade idea is very well thought out.

I'd love the Pistons to make that kind of move.

It's a Joke the Pistons could have landed him in the offseason but spent double per season on Galloway and committed to 3 years.

[MrBigShot]

Not sure what it would take to get him, but Tyreke would be an awesome addition.

[Kilo]

If Marvin Williams could still play SF something like Stanley Johnson and Boban Marjanovic works. If Charlotte is looking to blow it up, they get out of a year of Marvin's contract and a youngster in Johnson.

[Canadafan]

Portland might be a good target. They've got a few terrible contracts and Aminu would be good here. We've got smaller, terrible contracts that we can combine

[ImHeisenberg]

Harrison Barnes certainly isn't untouchable, but I doubt we have the pieces to get him from Dallas. Plus, at his price, he better be starting for the team he's on. He is the best player listed on there, and arguably the least realistic.

Joe Johnson is interesting. If Utah slides out of playoff contention, I could see Iso Joe sold off to the highest bidder. He would be an awesome player off the bench for us.

Not much else to add. Good 3&D players aren't moved often.

[Kilo]

Problem in acquiring Joe Johnson is he's expiring, so Utah probably doesn't want to take on any contract longer for him either. If we had crud expirings and threw in a second it might be enough, but in order for them to take on longer contracts it would cost us a first. And if I'm paying our first, which I am open to moving, I want a longer term better player here with it (and other parts).

[GreekAlex]

If Marvin Williams could still play SF something like Stanley Johnson and Boban Marjanovic works. If Charlotte is looking to blow it up, they get out of a year of Marvin's contract and a youngster in Johnson.

He's hitting 3's at a great clip and can defend bigger guys. Can he still hang with faster, athletic 3 on defense?

Maybe I'm overthinking these arbitrary positions in the new NBA. I just feel like Tobias does better with a wing on the floor.

[GreekAlex]

Harrison Barnes certainly isn't untouchable, but I doubt we have the pieces to get him from Dallas. Plus, at his price, he better be starting for the team he's on. He is the best player listed on there, and arguably the least realistic.

Joe Johnson is interesting. If Utah slides out of playoff contention, I could see Iso Joe sold off to the highest bidder. He would be an awesome player off the bench for us.

Not much else to add. Good 3&D players aren't moved often.

Harrison Barnes is interesting. He might do really well in Detroit because there would be less pressure but plenty of opportunity. He's better than a 4th option like he was in Golden State and he's not dynamic enough to be a first option like in Dallas.

It would take a lot of creativity from the front office to get it done. If only we could convince them Henry just needs Dirk to rub off on him.

[GreekAlex]

I wonder if I should make an updated list with everyone's suggestions and take it to the trade board for proposals.

It's always interesting to see how other fan bases value their players.

[JohnReese]

I would swap Johnson and Hezonja. Both are better fit in the other team.

[Kilo]

I would swap Johnson and Hezonja. Both are better fit in the other team.

Problem here is Orlando declined Hezonja's 4th year rookie option meaning we could only re-sign him up to what he would have got if that year was picked up by Orlando, but any other team can pay him anything they choose. And I don't think we even have the right to match - he's a UFA who could sign anywhere for less as well.