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Leuer could need surgery, and would be done for season...
Posted: Sun Jan 7, 2018 11:56 pm
by Kilo
If this is the case he needs to make his decision soon if we want to apply for the disabled player exception in his case -
https://basketball.realgm.com/analysis/240416/CBA-Encyclopedia-Disabled-Player-ExceptionUnlike other exceptions, teams must apply for the Disabled Player Exception. That application can only be submitted on or before January 15 and the exception can be used no later than March 10 of that season or when the player returns, whichever happens first.
We need to submit application by a week from tomorrow. If it was granted then we'd get $5M to spend on any one player. This could be really beneficial to us in the post trade deadline veteran cuts period.
Other things to know about the DPE -
*The amount of the Disabled Player Exception is the lesser of half the injured player’s salary or the Non-Taxpayer Mid-Level Exception. Technically, teams get an extra $100,000 of wiggle room if they use their DPE to trade for a player but that is pretty much the deal.
*If approved, the Disabled Player Exception can only be used on one player. While teams can choose to split some exceptions like the Mid-Levels and Bi-Annual, the DPE cannot go to multiple players. The entire exception expires once used regardless of the replacement player’s salary. This makes sense given the purpose of the exception.
*However the Disabled Player Exception is used, that season must be the final season on the new player’s contract. This means no option years or anything of the sort. No remaining years, no exceptions.
*Generating a Disabled Player Exception does not reduce the salary of the player in question and has no impact on the luxury tax obligations of a franchise unless used. As an exception, the DPE only functions as a way for teams to add a piece to replace the injured player. The CBA does have a way for teams to apply for cap relief in cases of death and career-ending injury, detailed here.
*Teams can use a Disabled Player Exception to sign a free agent, trade for a player or claim someone off waivers as long as they fit the other requirements. This nuance separates the DPE from the MLE and BAE (cannot trade for a player) and trade exceptions (cannot be used to sign a player).
Re: Leuer could need surgery, and would be done for season...
Posted: Mon Jan 8, 2018 12:35 am
by Blkbrd671
At what point does SVG and Bowers come under fire. RJ instead of getting surgery opts to play , makes it worst and gets the surgery anyways. Leur hasn't had surgery yet because........................we think its magically going to just heal itself!?
Our best bet is to have the surgery and hopefully someone is intrigued enough in the offseason to take him off our hands. imo
Re: Leuer could need surgery, and would be done for season...
Posted: Mon Jan 8, 2018 1:18 am
by russkopp
Blkbrd671 wrote:At what point does SVG and Bowers come under fire. RJ instead of getting surgery opts to play , makes it worst and gets the surgery anyways. Leur hasn't had surgery yet because........................we think its magically going to just heal itself!?
Our best bet is to have the surgery and hopefully someone is intrigued enough in the offseason to take him off our hands. imo
Don't forget Stanley being on and off injured since his rookie year.
Re: Leuer could need surgery, and would be done for season...
Posted: Mon Jan 8, 2018 2:47 am
by Blkbrd671
russkopp wrote:Blkbrd671 wrote:At what point does SVG and Bowers come under fire. RJ instead of getting surgery opts to play , makes it worst and gets the surgery anyways. Leur hasn't had surgery yet because........................we think its magically going to just heal itself!?
Our best bet is to have the surgery and hopefully someone is intrigued enough in the offseason to take him off our hands. imo
Don't forget Stanley being on and off injured since his rookie year.
I don't blame SVG for that, I have the same injury SJ does and its one of those that just flares up. I wonder how serious it is and if before the draft he had any history of it. Cuz if so, then yes, SVG deserves a ton of blame. Especially considering Booker would have been the next pick
Re: Leuer could need surgery, and would be done for season...
Posted: Mon Jan 8, 2018 4:42 am
by Bakuto
Is there any chance that the team could get one of those injury exception like Boston did if this were the case? Obviously not as high but if they could use it to make balancing contracts in potential trades a little bit easier then that could be convenient.
Re: Leuer could need surgery, and would be done for season...
Posted: Mon Jan 8, 2018 5:05 am
by Blkbrd671
Bakuto wrote:Is there any chance that the team could get one of those injury exception like Boston did if this were the case? Obviously not as high but if they could use it to make balancing contracts in potential trades a little bit easier then that could be convenient.
Bogut PLEASE!!!!
Re: Leuer could need surgery, and would be done for season...
Posted: Mon Jan 8, 2018 10:13 am
by ImHeisenberg
Oh well. Guy couldn't play when healthy.
Re: Leuer could need surgery, and would be done for season...
Posted: Mon Jan 8, 2018 12:58 pm
by El Chivo
4 years guaranteed.
nice move, Stan Van Panic.
Re: Leuer could need surgery, and would be done for season...
Posted: Mon Jan 8, 2018 1:53 pm
by Pugz
we need to force surgery. hes not going to ever be 100% again if we dont. should have done the same with rj
Re: Leuer could need surgery, and would be done for season...
Posted: Mon Jan 8, 2018 2:20 pm
by Billl
Pugz wrote:we need to force surgery. hes not going to ever be 100% again if we dont. should have done the same with rj
Teams obviously can't force players to have surgery. He's certainly consulting specialists and they are going to recommend the treatment they think will work best.
And realistically, I'm not sure it matters at all if we get a disable player exemption. We aren't really in a position to be taking on more salary - certainly no more long term salary. I can't image us making a trade that dramatically increased payroll unless some superstar was headed here.
Re: Leuer could need surgery, and would be done for season...
Posted: Mon Jan 8, 2018 3:35 pm
by Canadafan
Don't think there's a surgery to help rj's tendinitis
Re: Leuer could need surgery, and would be done for season...
Posted: Mon Jan 8, 2018 4:27 pm
by Kilo
It's not even sure we'd get the DPE as the injury/recovery period needs to take him out past June 15th(ie through NBA finals) in the eyes of the league doctors - would the surgery usually take six months to recover from? Who knows how invasive it would be.
Boston still have the DPE from Hayward to spend. I think the trick is you can only use it on an expiring player via trade and not sure you get Bird Rights with it because that would be a extra benefit for what is supposed to help the team replace the injury for that season only.
Re: Leuer could need surgery, and would be done for season...
Posted: Tue Jan 9, 2018 12:28 am
by thesack12
Blkbrd671 wrote:Bakuto wrote:Is there any chance that the team could get one of those injury exception like Boston did if this were the case? Obviously not as high but if they could use it to make balancing contracts in potential trades a little bit easier then that could be convenient.
Bogut PLEASE!!!!
Detroit would have no interest in him, and he would have no interest in Detroit.
Re: Leuer could need surgery, and would be done for season...
Posted: Tue Jan 9, 2018 12:50 am
by Blkbrd671
thesack12 wrote:Blkbrd671 wrote:Bakuto wrote:Is there any chance that the team could get one of those injury exception like Boston did if this were the case? Obviously not as high but if they could use it to make balancing contracts in potential trades a little bit easier then that could be convenient.
Bogut PLEASE!!!!
Detroit would have no interest in him, and he would have no interest in Detroit.
because Boban and Moreland are so much better?
Re: Leuer could need surgery, and would be done for season...
Posted: Tue Jan 9, 2018 12:58 am
by thesack12
Blkbrd671 wrote:thesack12 wrote:Blkbrd671 wrote:
Bogut PLEASE!!!!
Detroit would have no interest in him, and he would have no interest in Detroit.
because Boban and Moreland are so much better?
At this point, Andrew Bogut is nothing more than a name brand.
Re: Leuer could need surgery, and would be done for season...
Posted: Tue Jan 9, 2018 1:01 am
by Blkbrd671
thesack12 wrote:Blkbrd671 wrote:thesack12 wrote:
Detroit would have no interest in him, and he would have no interest in Detroit.
because Boban and Moreland are so much better?
At this point, Andrew Bogut is nothing more than a name brand.
Boban and Moreland don't even have that. So still a upgrade
Re: Leuer could need surgery, and would be done for season...
Posted: Tue Jan 9, 2018 1:01 am
by Dmitry_M
Do Pistons need extended hospital bench with Bogut?
Re: Leuer could need surgery, and would be done for season...
Posted: Tue Jan 9, 2018 1:04 am
by thesack12
Blkbrd671 wrote:thesack12 wrote:At this point, Andrew Bogut is nothing more than a name brand.
Boban and Moreland don't even have that. So still a upgrade
Regardless of how you view any of the three, a 4th center is not what this team needs right now.
Re: Leuer could need surgery, and would be done for season...
Posted: Tue Jan 9, 2018 1:19 am
by Blkbrd671
thesack12 wrote:Blkbrd671 wrote:thesack12 wrote:
At this point, Andrew Bogut is nothing more than a name brand.
Boban and Moreland don't even have that. So still a upgrade
Regardless of how you view any of the three, a 4th center is not what this team needs right now.
Actually its absolutely what we need. Boban and Moreland are not solutions and are barely band aids.
Re: Leuer could need surgery, and would be done for season...
Posted: Tue Jan 9, 2018 1:20 am
by Blkbrd671
Dmitry_M wrote:Do Pistons need extended hospital bench with Bogut?
Nicely done