SVG (the GM) is not so bad

[theBigLip]

The start of the season, SVG (coach and GM) was genius. It looked like we would be home court in the playoffs. Exciting. Then we have a few injuries, losses start piling up, and then SVG is a POS (both coach and GM). I have to agree it seemed like he lost the team a bit.

But you have to give him credit as a GM (and Bowers as well). Sure we are capped out, but that's better than having a cheap owner and not spending any money. And even with little cap room, we still got a legit ALL STAR. That's on top of the trades that got us Reggie and Tobias. Reggie being hurt the last two years have sucked for us, but that doesn't mean the trade (and extension) were bad moves. Every move has some risk. But I like what SVG has done and continues to do. And last but not least, I'm happy he's taking a swing for the fences. Going to win instead of playing it safe. Today is a great day!

[DETermination]

I still think he sucks as a coach but the man hasn't lost a trade yet with us

[Billl]

SVG the trader is fantastic. The talent upgrades he's gotten through trades are really impressive.

Now someone just needs to hide his checkbook when free agency starts.

[DETermination]

SVG the trader is fantastic. The talent upgrades he's gotten through trades are really impressive.

Now someone just needs to hide his checkbook when free agency starts.

Good thing he wont have any money to throw at crap role players now

[Spider156]

I personally like how we got more talented. To me I'm thinking about what else can SVG do? I mean we got Blake Griffin? That's insane, we'd do anything for him if it was the free agency and then complain FAs don't come to detroit when we don't sign him. All we gave up was a first round pick. Watch SVG pull a marcus morris deal out of his magical hat. I've seriously seen everything this man can do in trades and it's pretty incredible. We have to max contracts on the team, wow! That's impressive. We just need one more and we're set to contend using SVG's coaching. Keep in mind to win in the Playoffs, coaching comes first. It's crucial to have a coach who can take you far. If Lebron leaves the East, this trade turns out to be amazing once a player wants to leave the west and is eyeing another star in the east. You've got Griffin and Drummond, best frontcourt in the league now that Cousins is injured.

[7r5ur]

SVG the trader is fantastic. The talent upgrades he's gotten through trades are really impressive.

Now someone just needs to hide his checkbook when free agency starts.

Good thing he wont have any money to throw at crap role players now

Or draft picks to blow





Disclaimer: I like Luke

[Spider156]

People tend to forget SVG is a Playoffs type of coach, he's been through a lot and only needs a star who can make big shots or take over the game. We got him. Jackson just needs to come back and it's gametime. I'm very excited for what we can become in the East now.

[7r5ur]

The problem now is that we have no real assets to dangle in a trade. With a gaping hole at SF and probably a weak point at SG for atleast another year or two it will be interesting to see how it unfolds.

The other problem is that our PG is never healthy and our "star" PF may have the same issue. Not sure there's enough other talent there to keep this team from drowning without these guys healthy.

[mattao313]

The problem now is that we have no real assets to dangle in a trade. With a gaping hole at SF and probably a weak point at SG for atleast another year or two it will be interesting to see how it unfolds.

The other problem is that our PG is never healthy and our "star" PF may have the same issue. Not sure there's enough other talent there to keep this team from drowning without these guys healthy.

Meh People were saying that before we got Blake Griffin

[7r5ur]

The problem now is that we have no real assets to dangle in a trade. With a gaping hole at SF and probably a weak point at SG for atleast another year or two it will be interesting to see how it unfolds.

The other problem is that our PG is never healthy and our "star" PF may have the same issue. Not sure there's enough other talent there to keep this team from drowning without these guys healthy.

Meh People were saying that before we got Blake Griffin

People who don't know what they're talking about. Harris, 1 mid-first, and Avery are definitely assets.

Now our list of potentially tradeable assets starts and ends with Luke. Mayyyybe Ish? After that there's not much value.

[vic]

His trading is good but is that the way to build a championship team in today's game?

Smart teams get stars thru the draft and build for the long term.

I hope it works out but I don't know any injury prone stars all of the sudden competing for championships. Blake has only played 66% of his games the past 4 years.

Trading for injury prone players didn't work out with Avery Bradley. What we saw was what we got.

SVG sure knows how to save his job though.

[ElectricMayhem]

How SVG/Bower trade up every time:

Blake Griffin
Willie Reed
Brice Johnson

For

Tobias Harris
Avery Bradley
Boban Marjanovic
Top 4-protected 1st round pick
2nd round pick

Tobias Harris = Post-ACL Brandon Jennings & Ersan Ilyasova
Ersan Ilyasova = over-the-hill Caron Butler & Shawne Williams

Avery Bradley + 2nd round pick = Marcus Morris
Marcus Morris + Reggie Bullock = 2nd round pick

Therefore,

Pistons in: Blake Griffin, Reggie Bullock, Willie Reed, Brice Johnson
Pistons out: Post-ACL injury Brandon Jennings, over-the-hill Caron Butler, Shawne Williams, Boban Marjanovic mid-level 1st round pick, 2nd round pick.

[buzzkilloton]

His trading is good but is that the way to build a championship team in today's game?

Smart teams get stars thru the draft and build for the long term.

I hope it works out but I don't know any injury prone stars all of the sudden competing for championships. Blake has only played 66% of his games the past 4 years.

Trading for injury prone players didn't work out with Avery Bradley. What we saw was what we got.

SVG sure knows how to save his job though.

Making moves to cap your team at 48 wins makes the guy a good gm lol. We’re locked in maxed out with a Dre and Blake front court. Even if Blake stays healthy that’s not better then what the pelicans have been working with. Svg was trying to save his job here this was all he could do.

Read the Zach Lowe article that just came out. As he said nobody wanted Blake. Svg is not some genius locking is in to 70 million of a no defense front court in today’s nba.

Smart gms build through the draft then complete trades to fill out once the home grown talent is developed. This guy just locked us in to the same crap for 5 more seasons.

[theBigLip]

His trading is good but is that the way to build a championship team in today's game?

Smart teams get stars thru the draft and build for the long term.

I hope it works out but I don't know any injury prone stars all of the sudden competing for championships. Blake has only played 66% of his games the past 4 years.

Smart teams do what they have to do - sometimes it is draft, sometimes it is trade, sometimes free agency. Small market teams don't get top of the line free agents, so if you want want, you have to get lucky in the draft (such as the Warriors getting Curry at #7, or NOT picking Greg Oden). San Antonio can do it through the draft, but even they got lucky getting Duncan. But they have a solid enough organization that they can draft and be patient - but most teams can't get away with that. Philly did the total ugly blowup, and didn't really do that great of a job - with all those top picks, they are still basically a fringe playoff team (although they do have some serious potential). But its not like Houston is doing it through the draft.

I guess the big thing on building a team is have a long term plan and make every transaction fit into that.

As for injury prone stars competing for a championship? Best example is Bill Walton, but if that's the best I can come up with, maybe I'm making your point We just really, really need Blake and RJ to be healthy.

[theBigLip]

Making moves to cap your team at 48 wins makes the guy a good gm lol. We’re locked in maxed out with a Dre and Blake front court. Even if Blake stays healthy that’s not better then what the pelicans have been working with. Svg was trying to save his job here this was all he could do.

Read the Zach Lowe article that just came out. As he said nobody wanted Blake. Svg is not some genius locking is in to 70 million of a no defense front court in today’s nba.

Smart gms build through the draft then complete trades to fill out once the home grown talent is developed. This guy just locked us in to the same crap for 5 more seasons.

Reading the Zach Lowe article, it wasn't that nobody wanted Blake, but it wasn't a good fit. If you're a lottery team, it doesn't make sense. If you are an elite team, it's hard to bring in that salary without trading away multiple pieces. We were sort of in the middle and wanted to make a difference. I certainly can't blame him for trying.

I thought of one other crazy thing - what if Blake is our CENTER of the future. Trade Dre and fill in our roster?

[Snakebites]

Lets shelve my feelings about the Griffin trade for a moment and say the jury is out on that one.

SVG/Bower as a trading unit have been very good.

But you have to balance that with a mixed-at-best draft record (Johnson and Ellenson look bad, Kennard good, no second rounders have distinguished themselves particularly) and a downright damning free agent record. Sure, we signed Ish Smith who has proven to be a very good signing, but we also have him to thank for Jodie Meeks, Jon Leur, Boban, Langston Galloway...

[buzzkilloton]

That’s the thing we’re a lottery team! Svg keeps making moves to bring us high in the standings but the ceiling on all these moves isn’t high at all. We should of been sitting back and drafting players and running them out the past four seasons while leaving cap space free. Not spending all are space taking on any immediate players that win a short term trade. You don’t get anything out of that.

If we took our time rebuilding we might have a team with 55 win potential on the horizon right now. Some big time young players etc. Instead it’s the same old story. In 3 seasons will be stuck with a banged up washed up Blake. Short term thinking getting us no where.

[reppin_the_847]

SVG won't go down without a fight. A huge gamble. Time will tell if it pays off.

[ElectricMayhem]

Reading the Zach Lowe article, it wasn't that nobody wanted Blake, but it wasn't a good fit. If you're a lottery team, it doesn't make sense. If you are an elite team, it's hard to bring in that salary without trading away multiple pieces. We were sort of in the middle and wanted to make a difference. I certainly can't blame him for trying.

I thought of one other crazy thing - what if Blake is our CENTER of the future. Trade Dre and fill in our roster?

Interesting idea. Griffin seems to be moving in the opposite direction by going away from the basket, but that could also be due to the context (playing next to DJ). I like this idea IF it becomes apparent that Griffin + Drummond doesn't work.

[DetroitPistons]

I see no reason why Griffin and Drummond wouldn't work. Griffin and Jordan were great together even when Griffin didn't have a jumper. We need to get RJ back and start Kennard at SG and Bullock at SF so that we can have some good spacing. I'm still not sure we make the playoffs this year but I don't really care since this trade is a future move. We are one high level wing player away from being pretty good I think.