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Cutting Blake's minutes a tad and overall rotation management

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Cutting Blake's minutes a tad and overall rotation management 

Post#1 » by 313 Professor » Sat Feb 24, 2018 3:32 am

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I've been dancing around posting this since before the ASG, but Blake can only handle about 27-30 mins right now and should only play in 7-8 min stretches. He exerts a lot of energy on those needed isos and being an oversized handler/wing playmaker, and the tireder he gets his effectiveness plummets. We need him to be fresh late and in spurts to play through him.

- This isn't a slight on Blake either I think he's great if used right. Pre-injury due to stamina Reggie Jackson was logging less minutes than usual for the same reasons. It's moreso about maximizing his effectiveness.

- Ish, Drummond, and Bullock are the only 3 guys we have that can play typical 34-38 starters mins considering stamina and quality of play. Bullock played 11 min straight in the 3rd vs. Boston (a tad too much) and lost his legs on two key 3's but he's been our most consistent player.

- Due to bad decisions and being wildly erratic/unpredictable Stanley needs to slide down to about 22-27 and give some of those minutes to Galloway/Kennard/Ennis. Sometimes we just need better shooting and lower probability to do something ridiculous on the floor. Idc foul or not up 17-11 Stanley has to get that ball to Dre running the floor and not force the layup vs Boston. Instead of up 19-11 they go the other way and hit a 3 and it's 17-14. Love Stanley's defense he even drew an offensive foul on Horford in the post, but he needs to be deployed like OKC deployed Roberson (around 25-26 MPG) before he tore his leg up at LCA. Not an overreaction on Stanley either to a bad game his offensive decision making and shot is not something you want to RELY on. Accept it as a treat.

- Jameer over Buycks? This is more of a gut thing, but Buycks has shown a lot more ball handling range and shotmaking ability than Jameer probably has at this point. I know SVG likes his vet, but idk I think Buycks is the move.

- When Reggie comes back we still need Ish playing 26-30 mins. Reggie can hit a 3 and we desperately need playmaking and ball-handling. Ish's pace is still effective as you see even vs a great defensive team like Boston, and we don't have enough talent to relegate Ish to a true bench role.

I think we have the talent to get this playoff spot but the rotations are EVERYTHING. We're pretty deep as a team and SVG's rotation decisions truly may decide every game the rest of the year.

Pre-Reggie Rotation I Like (EDITED):
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With Reggie Mins I Like... (edit rotation tbd)
Drummond (35)
Bullock (34)
Blake (29)
Ish (28)
Reggie (26)
Stanley (24)
Tolliver (24)
Ennis (17)
Kennard (11)
Buycks (6)
Galloway (6)

Stamina and lineups are very real factors. Drop your commentary on the rotations you wanna see! I might do a whole rotation if I can find the time.
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Re: Minimizing Blake's minutes and overall rotation management 

Post#2 » by vege » Sat Feb 24, 2018 3:40 am

I don't think minutes are the main issue here, what you're writing makes sense, but SVG kinda fixed it already, Andre was usually the first to go to the bench, this game, Blake went first, so he rested some more instead of start the game playing heavy minutes.

The main issue is the way SVG built the team around Blake. We have SJ and Ish, who are non shooters at all. Blake is also a below average 3 point shooter and Andre is a garbage man. Our starting lineup has 1 shooter, Bullock.

So Blake can't play at all.

The 2nd unity, With Blake and Tolliver is also a disaster. They're both terrible rebounders. We get absolutely abused on the boards, and that kill us. We have no transition possibilities at all.

We have better shooters in the 2nd untiy tho, wit Luke and Tolliver being excellent shooters and Nelson and Ennis being passable. The problem is, Luke and Tolliver are extremely passive on offense, Nelson isn't that good of a player anymore and Ennis is what he is, a fine role player who will make a good play here and there and not much else.

So, Blake doesn't have a lot to work on the 2nd unity either.

To make things worse with our 2nd unity. Nelson and Kennard are likely the worst defensive back court in the league right now, and Blake is not a rim protector or anything amazing on defense. So we have2 plus defensers on the 2nd unity in Tolliver and Ennis, and they're not difference maker in that side of the court, at least not enough to cover for the other 3 guys.

Our team is a mess, SVG has absolutely no **** clue about WTF he is doing. He gotta be fired right now.
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Re: Minimizing Blake's minutes and overall rotation management 

Post#3 » by 313 Professor » Sat Feb 24, 2018 5:30 am

vege wrote:I don't think minutes are the main issue here, what you're writing makes sense, but SVG kinda fixed it already, Andre was usually the first to go to the bench, this game, Blake went first, so he rested some more instead of start the game playing heavy minutes.


Blake still led the team in minutes with 35. I agree this was a step in the right direction, but overall that number needs to drop. Blake's last 2 mins of a 9-10 min "shift" get pretty bad... both ends. He has guard skill with big man conditioning right now lol he needs to play 28-32 mins.

vege wrote:The main issue is the way SVG built the team around Blake. We have SJ and Ish, who are non shooters at all. Blake is also a below average 3 point shooter and Andre is a garbage man. Our starting lineup has 1 shooter, Bullock.

So Blake can't play at all.

The 2nd unity, With Blake and Tolliver is also a disaster. They're both terrible rebounders. We get absolutely abused on the boards, and that kill us. We have no transition possibilities at all.

We have better shooters in the 2nd untiy tho, wit Luke and Tolliver being excellent shooters and Nelson and Ennis being passable. The problem is, Luke and Tolliver are extremely passive on offense, Nelson isn't that good of a player anymore and Ennis is what he is, a fine role player who will make a good play here and there and not much else.

So, Blake doesn't have a lot to work on the 2nd unity either.

To make things worse with our 2nd unity. Nelson and Kennard are likely the worst defensive back court in the league right now, and Blake is not a rim protector or anything amazing on defense. So we have2 plus defensers on the 2nd unity in Tolliver and Ennis, and they're not difference maker in that side of the court, at least not enough to cover for the other 3 guys.

Our team is a mess, SVG has absolutely no **** clue about WTF he is doing. He gotta be fired right now.


I pretty much agree here. Ish creates space though so he isn't the problem. 1 shooter in a lineup (Bullock) just isn't going to cut it. Constantly switching up the lineups gets irritating but we're running out of time. I'd consider starting Ish/Bullock/Ennis/Griffin/Drummond hurting Stanley's morale once again (smh). He can be a key 6th man who even closes games but his random unwarranted offensive aggression, bricks, and decision making can't take away possessions early with Blake on the floor. When Blake is out there we need 2 shooters, a secondary playmaker, and rebounding aid with every lineup.

That rebounding is an issue too ESPECIALLY when Blake is tired. Might have to have more size to gang rebound when Tolliver/Blake are at the 4/5 getting squished on the boards. Galloway and Kennard might only be able to play when Andre's in or... we'll have to maybe see some Moreland ( :( ) to help out on the glass with Blake if they're gonna play with him.

I'm definitely gonna ash out some time to do a rotation. To be fair to SVG this isn't an easy job, but he has to get it right.
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Re: Cutting Blake's minutes a tad and overall rotation management 

Post#4 » by Snakebites » Sat Feb 24, 2018 5:31 am

He's been just as bad early in the game though.
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Re: Cutting Blake's minutes a tad and overall rotation management 

Post#5 » by 313 Professor » Sat Feb 24, 2018 8:18 am

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This is a raw rotation that I'd mess with (click pic for clearer view). Sends Stanley to the bench but he'd still end up probably playing more than Ennis. Blake always plays with 2 shooters and a PG, and Stanley gets added to the Tolliver & Blake 4/5 pairing to hopefully add some muscle.

Lineups:
1. Ish/Bullock/Ennis/Blake/Drummond - 5 min
2. Ish/Kennard/Bullock/Stanley/Drummond - 5 min
3. Buycks/Kennard/Stanley/Tolliver/Blake - 6 min
4. Ish/Bullock/Ennis/Blake/Drummond - 3 min
5. Ish/Bullock/Ennis/Tolliver/Drummond - 5 min

6. Ish/Bullock/Ennis/Blake/Drummond - 3 min
7. Ish/Bullock/Stanley/Tolliver/Blake - 5 min
8. Buycks/Kennard/Ennis/Stanley/Drummond - 4 min
9. Buycks/Kennard/Ennis/Tolliver/Drummond - 4 min
10. Ish/Bullock/Stanley/Tolliver/Blake - 3 min
11. Ish/Bullock/Stanley/Blake/Drummond - 5 min

I'd say 1, 4, 5, 6, 8, 9, and 11 are all pretty good lineups. Lineup 2 Drummond HAS to anchor the defense because we're small, Lineup 3 Blake is fresh and he has to man up inside, but it's late 1st/early 2nd when most starters are resting so we should be good. Lineup 7 same thing but the trio of Bullock, Stanley, and Tolliver have to play good D and hit the glass and I got faith in those 3. Lineup 10 Drummond has to get his rest and those 3 have to dig in again.

Adjusting around something like this (depending on game flow) I think we'll be alright until Reggie is back. Lineup 11 to close Ennis/Stanley can be interchangeable depending on what we need (shooting vs. defense).
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Re: Cutting Blake's minutes a tad and overall rotation management 

Post#6 » by Snakebites » Sun Feb 25, 2018 12:06 am

Sure glad we're paying 140 million to a guy who can only handle 27-30 minutes per game.

My god am I depressed about this team. This is as bad as I've felt in as far back as I can remember. And yeah, that includes the Josh Smith debacle. I never expected that to work out. The disappointment about the collapse of this team after starting out the season so well has really gotten to me.
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Post#7 » by 313 Professor » Sun Feb 25, 2018 7:42 am

Snakebites wrote:Sure glad we're paying 140 million to a guy who can only handle 27-30 minutes per game.

My god am I depressed about this team. This is as bad as I've felt in as far back as I can remember. And yeah, that includes the Josh Smith debacle. I never expected that to work out. The disappointment about the collapse of this team after starting out the season so well has really gotten to me.


I'm optimistic. I think keeping Blake fresh for a great 27-30 is the best way to maximize his talents. He's not good for anything on defense when he's tired. No rim protection, light on the glass, slow with the rotations, and prone to lose a step 1-on-1.

He is still a beast though. He's like an elite pass rusher in the NFL. Von Miller can't pass rush hard every single passing down when teams are behind. But, he will make a handful of plays that absolutely can win the game if you keep him fresh. Same with Blake. When his stamina bar is 80% and higher ( :lol: ) his ability to get his own and be a post playmaker are elite. Sometimes he'll miss a makeable shot but going through a fresh Blake will usually end up in a good look.

The good start was before the league scouted the new offensive scheme. Nothing to be depressed about Mr. Bites. Believe! :)
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Re: Cutting Blake's minutes a tad and overall rotation management 

Post#8 » by Canadafan » Sun Feb 25, 2018 1:20 pm

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Snakebites wrote:Sure glad we're paying 140 million to a guy who can only handle 27-30 minutes per game.

My god am I depressed about this team. This is as bad as I've felt in as far back as I can remember. And yeah, that includes the Josh Smith debacle. I never expected that to work out. The disappointment about the collapse of this team after starting out the season so well has really gotten to me.


I'm optimistic. I think keeping Blake fresh for a great 27-30 is the best way to maximize his talents. He's not good for anything on defense when he's tired. No rim protection, light on the glass, slow with the rotations, and prone to lose a step 1-on-1.

He is still a beast though. He's like an elite pass rusher in the NFL. Von Miller can't pass rush hard every single passing down when teams are behind. But, he will make a handful of plays that absolutely can win the game if you keep him fresh. Same with Blake. When his stamina bar is 80% and higher ( :lol: ) his ability to get his own and be a post playmaker are elite. Sometimes he'll miss a makeable shot but going through a fresh Blake will usually end up in a good look.

The good start was before the league scouted the new offensive scheme. Nothing to be depressed about Mr. Bites. Believe! :)


Ahhhh what a relief lol. Nice to meet you Mr positive energy guy hehehe. Are there any more of you out there?
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Post#9 » by 313 Professor » Sun Feb 25, 2018 8:32 pm

Canadafan wrote:Ahhhh what a relief lol. Nice to meet you Mr positive energy guy hehehe. Are there any more of you out there?


Lol we made some progress today possibly with Buycks over Jameer. All we gotta do now is get Stanley out of the starting lineup in favor of Ennis for spacing in the 1st 5. It ain't over yet! 8-)
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Post#10 » by Canadafan » Mon Feb 26, 2018 1:03 am

313 Professor wrote:
Canadafan wrote:Ahhhh what a relief lol. Nice to meet you Mr positive energy guy hehehe. Are there any more of you out there?


Lol we made some progress today possibly with Buycks over Jameer. All we gotta do now is get Stanley out of the starting lineup in favor of Ennis for spacing in the 1st 5. It ain't over yet! 8-)


I'd even be happier if we put bullock back to SF and unleashed Luke as our starting SG. They are our 2 best 3pt shooters. Start them for god sakes!
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Post#11 » by 313 Professor » Tue Feb 27, 2018 7:26 am

canadafan wrote:I'd even be happier if we put bullock back to SF and unleashed Luke as our starting SG. They are our 2 best 3pt shooters. Start them for god sakes!


I wouldn't mind this. For defensive reasons though I'd lean Ennis in that 1st lineup. Blake, Ish, and Kennard could get us killed by some 1st units with their defense. That's a solid lineup vs non-starters probably but yea I wouldn't hate it.

Buycks over Nelson was great. Great. Thank God again. The next move we need is Ennis in for Stanley in the 1st lineup. Stanley and Ennis both played 24 mins today. Ennis hasn't played considerably better than Stanley, but Stanley has had enough charges and bricks to make the panic (yet right) move to start Ennis. He can still play just as much if not more mins than Ennis off the bench. For the sake of spacing in multiple lineups, and the lack of games left to bs with I would love this change.

I like Stanley more than most probably, but him EXPECTING to rotate in as a starter is not acceptable. He's very much a 18-36 minute "leave him in if he's rolling and take him out if he's not" type of player. Love his defense to help close a game but... he's far too much of an offensive wildcard to play 30+ every game. Only on those nights he has it going or we have a nice lead and need defense should he play 30+.

EDIT: Blake has been bad. Might have to make a new rotation with Moreland :(
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Post#12 » by 313 Professor » Thu Mar 1, 2018 12:26 am

Ennis in let's go!! Progress! :)

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