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Carlisle : Pistons are 4 to 8 seed with healthy Reggie
Posted: Sun Apr 8, 2018 4:40 pm
by Laimbeer
“Things went completely south and they didn’t have a lot of protection at the point guard position with true playmakers, so it’s (a major factor),” Carlisle said Friday night before the game at Little Caesars Arena.
The Pistons moved to 26-16 this season with a healthy Jackson after the 113-106 victory over the Mavericks.
They are 12-25 without him.
“Those numbers basically spell out that if Jackson had been reasonably healthy, (the Pistons) would have been a fourth-seed to an eighth-seed (in the playoffs), for sure. There’s no question about it,” Carlisle said.
https://www.freep.com/story/sports/nba/pistons/2018/04/08/detroit-pistons-stan-van-gundy-blake-griffin-tom-gores/493092002/
Re: Carlisle : Pistons are 4 to 8 seed with healthy Reggie
Posted: Sun Apr 8, 2018 5:06 pm
by DCintheD
Who gives a sh^t? The fact is they’re not and he can’t stay healthy a full season. Makes no f’n sense to have two other max players on your roster and depend on an injury prone pg. The ineptitude of this organization makes me want to die
Re: Carlisle : Pistons are 4 to 8 seed with healthy Reggie
Posted: Sun Apr 8, 2018 5:23 pm
by Kilo
One coach trying to protect another. SVG is outspoken in defending Carlisle (head of coaches association IIRC) and all other coaches who are fired.
Carlisle should also recognize that Stan is the GM who signed Ish Smith, who proved last season to be wholly incapable of starting should Reggie miss time. And Stan did dick-all in addressing that situation in the off-season or during the season when Reggie went down with ANOTHER major injury.
Re: Carlisle : Pistons are 4 to 8 seed with healthy Reggie
Posted: Sun Apr 8, 2018 5:38 pm
by vic
your whole season depends on one player at one position, 4 years in a row, and there happens to be an injury every year = INCOMPETENCE
Re: Carlisle : Pistons are 4 to 8 seed with healthy Reggie
Posted: Sun Apr 8, 2018 5:41 pm
by ChuckVanBrown
Carlisle is right. If RJ didn't go down, we would be in the playoffs. Teams like the Bucks and Wizards underachieved this year, and it seems more than reasonable we would have racked up at least 44 wins.
Problem is though that other teams had significant injuries too (Wizards, Boston, Cleveland, Utah, Denver, Spurs, etc.), but they still found a way to keep it together. When 100% healthy, we're a good team, but we stink as soon as there's a disruption to the system. Other teams can find a way to win, but we're too reliant on our PG. When you're PG is injury-prone, that's a flawed system.
As with last year too, we absolutely stink on the road. You can't expect to make the postseason with the road record we have. Overall, the team had some bad luck this season, but that doesn't excuse the fact that there's a lot wrong with the way this roster is built.
Re: Carlisle : Pistons are 4 to 8 seed with healthy Reggie
Posted: Sun Apr 8, 2018 9:26 pm
by Crymson
Kilo wrote:Carlisle should also recognize that Stan is the GM who signed Ish Smith, who proved last season to be wholly incapable of starting should Reggie miss time
That is TOTAL bull. Ish was an able starter last season. The Pistons finished 11-10 before Jackson's return last season despite a brutal early schedule and an entirely new offense.
Ish could easily have led the Pistons to the playoffs last season. The fact that Van Gundy started a gimped, hobbled Jackson at point guard for 50 **** horrible games was the reason the Pistons ended up in the lottery. It was Stan's obsession with Jackson and unwillingness to bench him that punted the season.
That said, the argument could be made that signing a backup point who cannot shoot well was yet another instance in which he failed to understand the NBA meta. And he's undoubtedly done a terrible job with this team.
Re: Carlisle : Pistons are 4 to 8 seed with healthy Reggie
Posted: Mon Apr 9, 2018 12:15 am
by Billl
Fringe playoff teams don't get starting quality pg's to play backup. That's just not how it works. Guys with those abilities either look for starting gigs of their own or take a lesser role on a contender.
Re: Carlisle : Pistons are 4 to 8 seed with healthy Reggie
Posted: Mon Apr 9, 2018 12:35 am
by buzzkilloton
ChuckVanBrown wrote:Carlisle is right. If RJ didn't go down, we would be in the playoffs. Teams like the Bucks and Wizards underachieved this year, and it seems more than reasonable we would have racked up at least 44 wins.
Problem is though that other teams had significant injuries too (Wizards, Boston, Cleveland, Utah, Denver, Spurs, etc.), but they still found a way to keep it together. When 100% healthy, we're a good team, but we stink as soon as there's a disruption to the system. Other teams can find a way to win, but we're too reliant on our PG. When you're PG is injury-prone, that's a flawed system.
As with last year too, we absolutely stink on the road. You can't expect to make the postseason with the road record we have. Overall, the team had some bad luck this season, but that doesn't excuse the fact that there's a lot wrong with the way this roster is built.
Thing is Jackson has knee tendonitis also called jumpers knee. Hes been on a minutes restriction and practice limit for 2 seasons because of it. His ankle injuries happen due to the fact that condition is causing muscular/joint imbalances. Going to be tough for him to stay healthy.
The pistons were giftwrapped a spot to fix this problem with the combo guard from Louisville D.Mitchell. SVG chose Kennard instead. This Jackson injury thing is just a huge excuse people keep making because alot of fans/media like SVG as a person. This team is awful and hes done a awful job.
Next year the excuse will be Blake/Jackson went down. Blakes missed nearly 20+ games for what 4 years in a row now. You see us out there the last two games were going to OT vs the tanking mavs and getting smoked by the tanking grizz. This team has a lack of talent. Thats on SVG.
Not to mention Carlisle is SVG's buddy. Hes trying to save his job is all.
To be honest I wont be surprised to see Gores keep him another year. Gores seem like a clueless owner to me. At this point were on the way of being the new laughing stock team in the nba kind of a kings/magic style franchise. So many fans defend the state of the team that I feel like we deserve this really.
Re: Carlisle : Pistons are 4 to 8 seed with healthy Reggie
Posted: Mon Apr 9, 2018 1:00 pm
by DCintheD
buzzkilloton wrote:I wont be surprised to see Gores keep him another year. Gores seem like a clueless owner to me. At this point were on the way of being the new laughing stock team in the nba kind of a kings/magic style franchise. So many fans defend the state of the team that I feel like we deserve this really.
Gores is 100% the problem. Completely clueless. He’s created a culture of delusion. Watch fsn after games and see how brainwashed all the broadcasters are. Most local broadcasters would tear their teams apart. Pistons always get injury excuses and continuous praise for “good” losses. It’s bs that won’t stop til Gores either sells or hires a management group that knows the nba
Re: Carlisle : Pistons are 4 to 8 seed with healthy Reggie
Posted: Mon Apr 9, 2018 1:34 pm
by The Penguin
Yeah, with a healthy Reggie we totally could have had another "competitive" sweep against the Cavs.
Re: Carlisle : Pistons are 4 to 8 seed with healthy Reggie
Posted: Mon Apr 9, 2018 4:37 pm
by Uncle Mxy
We needed to trade RJ when his value was high, earlier in the season. Perhaps we tried? I dunno.
Re: Carlisle : Pistons are 4 to 8 seed with healthy Reggie
Posted: Mon Apr 9, 2018 4:38 pm
by Crymson
Uncle Mxy wrote:We needed to trade RJ when his value was high, earlier in the season. Perhaps we tried? I dunno.
He had no trade value earlier in the season. He won't have any until he's played a healthy season. Besides, for whom would we have traded him?
Re: Carlisle : Pistons are 4 to 8 seed with healthy Reggie
Posted: Mon Apr 9, 2018 5:25 pm
by rmfc
Time to move on from RJ and every other PG on the roster. The organization needs to focus on getting that elite PG that is going to produce every game (and alsoone who doesn't gas out by the 2nd quarter wven when fully healthy).
Re: Carlisle : Pistons are 4 to 8 seed with healthy Reggie
Posted: Mon Apr 9, 2018 6:51 pm
by Billl
On the bright side, pg is a spot where you probably have the best chance of finding a steal. PG is so much about feel for the game and you don't always get to see that with the one-and-done crowd.
Re: Carlisle : Pistons are 4 to 8 seed with healthy Reggie
Posted: Mon Apr 9, 2018 10:38 pm
by ImHeisenberg
Well, we had a moron president of basketball operations that built a team almost devoid of playmakers and became incredibly dependent on a completely average playmaker to even function properly. If that isn't a pathetic level of team building, I don't know what is.
He addressed it by getting the most expensive PF in the league. Brilliant gambit.
Re: Carlisle : Pistons are 4 to 8 seed with healthy Reggie
Posted: Mon Apr 9, 2018 10:40 pm
by ImHeisenberg
Billl wrote:On the bright side, pg is a spot where you probably have the best chance of finding a steal. PG is so much about feel for the game and you don't always get to see that with the one-and-done crowd.
Yeah, he already did that by drafting Dinwiddie. In SVG's impatience, he literally gave him away for nothing. Dinwiddie isn't a star, but he would have been a heck of a lot better than Ish Smith bricking everything outside of 10 feet.
Re: Carlisle : Pistons are 4 to 8 seed with healthy Reggie
Posted: Mon Apr 9, 2018 10:41 pm
by ImHeisenberg
rmfc wrote:Time to move on from RJ and every other PG on the roster. The organization needs to focus on getting that elite PG that is going to produce every game (and alsoone who doesn't gas out by the 2nd quarter wven when fully healthy).
The notion that Reggie Jackson makes this team "elite" in some people's opinions makes me throw up in my mouth. The guy is an awful PG when compared to almost every starting caliber PG in the NBA.
Re: Carlisle : Pistons are 4 to 8 seed with healthy Reggie
Posted: Mon Apr 9, 2018 10:49 pm
by vege
ImHeisenberg wrote:rmfc wrote:Time to move on from RJ and every other PG on the roster. The organization needs to focus on getting that elite PG that is going to produce every game (and alsoone who doesn't gas out by the 2nd quarter wven when fully healthy).
The notion that Reggie Jackson makes this team "elite" in some people's opinions makes me throw up in my mouth. The guy is an awful PG when compared to almost every starting caliber PG in the NBA.
So how do you explain the fact that we're a 60%+ win team with him?
Re: Carlisle : Pistons are 4 to 8 seed with healthy Reggie
Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2018 1:32 am
by mercury
Sure if Reggie stayed healthy... and if the other teams had the same injuries they had this year... Not like the rest of the East didn't have significant injuries also.
Re: Carlisle : Pistons are 4 to 8 seed with healthy Reggie
Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2018 2:01 am
by the_process
Kilo wrote:One coach trying to protect another. SVG is outspoken in defending Carlisle (head of coaches association IIRC) and all other coaches who are fired.
Carlisle should also recognize that Stan is the GM who signed Ish Smith, who proved last season to be wholly incapable of starting should Reggie miss time. And Stan did dick-all in addressing that situation in the off-season or during the season when Reggie went down with ANOTHER major injury.
Carlisle is the head of the coaches association and will speak out to try and save any coaches job. Doesn’t matter how good or how bad they’ve been.