Blake Griffin best trade scenario

[JRK]

Blake Griffin is a good player, he works every game and plays hard. An All-Star.

But, unfortunately, he is not a good match with Drummond in today NBA. No spacing, no 3pts, no range. And I don't think he will develop all that skills during the preseason.

If I were the new GM of the Detroit Pistons I would try to trade him. But for something of equal value.

Lets say:

#1 Detroit - OKC, B Griffin - P George
(Ofc only if George sings a new deal with OKC before and then trade. Excellent match with Drummond and the new face of the Pistons franchise. OKC gets Griffin, he is Oklahoma native, and becomes Westbrook, Griffin, Adams. Nice for both sides.)

#2 Detroit - Washintgon, B Griffin - B Beal
(For Washington it is obvious that Wall and Beal dont work together. Wall will not be traded, so Beal could be. For Detroit Beal would be amazing. All-Star SG with 3pt and playmaking skills, Beal and Drummond would be excellent together. Washington gets a minor reset and has Wall, Porter, Griffin. Again good for everyone.)

Any other ideas?

[Crymson]

If we manage to trade Griffin, we'll probably get peanuts in return. Getting rid of Griffin's contract will be the primary benefit. We will certainly not receive an all-star caliber talent or anything near that.

He is simply not worth much on the trade market. The Pistons did the Clippers a big favor by taking on his contract. He's injury-prone, nearing thirty, does not fit at his own position, and is overly difficult to build a team around. He is not worth his price tag, and his value can't hold a candle to that of the league's true superstars.

[LaSheed]

Certainly aint getting Paul George or Beal lol.

[buzzkilloton]

Blake for T.Harris and a 1st rounder sounds nice

[Neptune]

That's a nice trade, but I see the Wizards losing on this deal. I like the idea of bring Paul George to the Pistons though.

[Canadafan]

Please please please stop torturing yourselves. He's going nowhere. Partly because Gores made this deal and wants to see it through. And partly because of his value. We're building around him and Drummond. Nobody's beating the warriors. They have the 3 best shooters in the league. So you're not beating them at "their game". So might as well try something new. If an upgrade at PG presents itself I'm sure they'd do it. And definitely will be adding someone with the MLE. Gores is gonna try and make this square peg fit into the circle hole as much as he can Like it or not

[Crymson]

Please please please stop torturing yourselves. He's going nowhere. Partly because Gores made this deal and wants to see it through. And partly because of his value. We're building around him and Drummond.

His value is, all told, probably about half of his salary right now. Maybe less when we take into account how crippling his contract will be to this team's ability to maintain necessary depth and a viable bench.

Any basketball executive who believes that Drummond and Griffin are a duo that can be built around should seek medical attention for whatever is afflicting his or her brain. I say that with the awareness that this organization DOES have members afflicted by such incomprehensible stupidity. Sadly for all of us, the owner is one of those. Jeff Bower may well be also.

Nobody's beating the warriors. They have the 3 best shooters in the league. So you're not beating them at "their game". So might as well try something new.

You're not going to be beating Floyd Mayweather in a straight up fight, so why not try fighting him with one arm tied behind your back? That's the boxing equivalent of this nonsense. If Van Gundy actually believed what he said at that press conference, then he'd forgotten everything he ever knew about basketball.

And for the record, they don't have the three best shooters in the league. Thompson is an excellent spot-up shooter but does not excel at anything else on offense, and his efficiency plummets when Curry isn't in the lineup.

[flow]

Blake Griffin is a good player, he works every game and plays hard. An All-Star.

But, unfortunately, he is not a good match with Drummond in today NBA. No spacing, no 3pts, no range. And I don't think he will develop all that skills during the preseason.

If I were the new GM of the Detroit Pistons I would try to trade him. But for something of equal value.

Lets say:

#1 Detroit - OKC, B Griffin - P George
(Ofc only if George sings a new deal with OKC before and then trade. Excellent match with Drummond and the new face of the Pistons franchise. OKC gets Griffin, he is Oklahoma native, and becomes Westbrook, Griffin, Adams. Nice for both sides.)

#2 Detroit - Washintgon, B Griffin - B Beal
(For Washington it is obvious that Wall and Beal dont work together. Wall will not be traded, so Beal could be. For Detroit Beal would be amazing. All-Star SG with 3pt and playmaking skills, Beal and Drummond would be excellent together. Washington gets a minor reset and has Wall, Porter, Griffin. Again good for everyone.)

Any other ideas?

Not bad proposals in a vacuum. But if there's a decision to trade Griffin, then the plan is to rebuild. And if the plan is to rebuild, then bringing in a Paul George or Bradley Beal isn't what they're looking to do.

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[Billl]

Not sure where the "Blake can't stretch the floor" stuff is coming from. He tied with Porzingis for #9 for PF and made 3's. Only 0.3 makes per game separated #2 from #9. This was the first year he really tried to shoot many 3's and looked pretty solid doing it. He's really an incredibly complete offensive player. The problem with our front court spacing is that dre can't score efficiently on anything but lobs and putbacks. Even most of his post up are outside of his range.

[theBigLip]

There is no way that the Pistons are not going into this season trying to make RJ, Blake and Dre work. And it is the smart thing to do. The stupid thing might have been the trade to get Blake. But that is done and we can't take it back. No one has good trade value right now. So the best thing to do is to have a great season, make the playoffs, and restore the trade value of all our players.

And if we are going to start a rebuild, we need to go all in and not do a half-ass version that keeps us mediocre. Basically, start trading all of our players for some combination of 1) players on rookie deals 2) draft picks or 3) expiring deals.

[gusman]

There is no way that the Pistons are not going into this season trying to make RJ, Blake and Dre work. And it is the smart thing to do. The stupid thing might have been the trade to get Blake. But that is done and we can't take it back. No one has good trade value right now. So the best thing to do is to have a great season, make the playoffs, and restore the trade value of all our players.

And if we are going to start a rebuild, we need to go all in and not do a half-ass version that keeps us mediocre. Basically, start trading all of our players for some combination of 1) players on rookie deals 2) draft picks or 3) expiring deals.

Won't Reggie be an expiring? Stanley has value as cheap expiring. Kennard.

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[Canadafan]

There is no way that the Pistons are not going into this season trying to make RJ, Blake and Dre work. And it is the smart thing to do. The stupid thing might have been the trade to get Blake. But that is done and we can't take it back. No one has good trade value right now. So the best thing to do is to have a great season, make the playoffs, and restore the trade value of all our players.

And if we are going to start a rebuild, we need to go all in and not do a half-ass version that keeps us mediocre. Basically, start trading all of our players for some combination of 1) players on rookie deals 2) draft picks or 3) expiring deals.

My thoughts exactly

[Canadafan]

Please please please stop torturing yourselves. He's going nowhere. Partly because Gores made this deal and wants to see it through. And partly because of his value. We're building around him and Drummond.

His value is, all told, probably about half of his salary right now. Maybe less when we take into account how crippling his contract will be to this team's ability to maintain necessary depth and a viable bench.

Any basketball executive who believes that Drummond and Griffin are a duo that can be built around should seek medical attention for whatever is afflicting his or her brain. I say that with the awareness that this organization DOES have members afflicted by such incomprehensible stupidity. Sadly for all of us, the owner is one of those. Jeff Bower may well be also.

Nobody's beating the warriors. They have the 3 best shooters in the league. So you're not beating them at "their game". So might as well try something new.

You're not going to be beating Floyd Mayweather in a straight up fight, so why not try fighting him with one arm tied behind your back? That's the boxing equivalent of this nonsense. If Van Gundy actually believed what he said at that press conference, then he'd forgotten everything he ever knew about basketball.

And for the record, they don't have the three best shooters in the league. Thompson is an excellent spot-up shooter but does not excel at anything else on offense, and his efficiency plummets when Curry isn't in the lineup.

This is what my argument always is.... not saying what's wrong or right. Just saying the trade happened. People need to move on. And a few posts down by Big Lip is exactly what will and needs to happen

[jakebernat]

Not sure where the "Blake can't stretch the floor" stuff is coming from. He tied with Porzingis for #9 for PF and made 3's. Only 0.3 makes per game separated #2 from #9. This was the first year he really tried to shoot many 3's and looked pretty solid doing it. He's really an incredibly complete offensive player. The problem with our front court spacing is that dre can't score efficiently on anything but lobs and putbacks. Even most of his post up are outside of his range.

I’m in the minority that think that Blake and Andre could/do actually compliment each other very well. People complained when Andre was doing to much with the ball in his hands and that he should stick to his glorified garbage man role in offense. Aside from his newly unveiled passing ability, this should still be the case with Blake. The amount of attention that Blake receives defensively should absolutely open up the floor for our shooters or an easy dump off for Dre. Drummond could even get more faceup opportunities, (which he’s shown he’s capable of taking advantage of,) with Blake operating in his usual back to the basket/bully-ball role.

Call me hopelessly optimistic, but SVG did a very poor/lazy job getting creative with this lineup and making necessary adjustments.

[DETermination]

Blake will shoot 40 percent from 3 next season and Drummond will develop a solid mid range shot, you heard it here first.

[Neptune]

I would really like us to move B. Griff in a three-team trade where we land Cousins. Now that I heard Cousins isn't going to re-sign with the Pelicans, I would love for Cousins to come to the Pistons to play the 4/5.

For the record, I'm a fan of the B.Griff/Drummond experiment!!!

[Crymson]

Not sure where the "Blake can't stretch the floor" stuff is coming from. He tied with Porzingis for #9 for PF and made 3's. Only 0.3 makes per game separated #2 from #9. This was the first year he really tried to shoot many 3's and looked pretty solid doing it.

Volume, not efficiency. Of the 64 players who attempted at least five threes per game last season, Griffin was 54th in three-point percentage. He can only shoot wide-open, spot-up threes, and has a very slow release.

Can he stretch the floor? In the simplest sense of the word, yes. Can he do so efficiently? No. He's an inside-focused player, and his three-point shot is an accessory to that. Except we already had an inside-focused player. His name is Andre Drummond. He was vastly better fit to play next to a player capable of efficiently stretching the floor, one who does not primarily operate on the block and inside the paint.

Tobias Harris, for reference, was 9th in the NBA in the above category. He was, as a versatile and efficient scorer who primarily operated outside of the paint, moreover an excellent complement to Drummond.

He's really an incredibly complete offensive player.

He is exactly NOT that. He has zero game between the paint and the three-point line, and he is an efficient scorer only from within three feet of the basket.

Blake will shoot 40 percent from 3 next season

And he'll still be a terrible fit next to Drummond, an awful fit for this roster, and dreadfully overpaid.

Drummond will develop a solid mid range shot

If he can hit it at 50% while open, great. If not, no. Mid-range offense is highly inefficient in the modern league.

Not bad proposals in a vacuum. But if there's a decision to trade Griffin, then the plan is to rebuild. And if the plan is to rebuild, then bringing in a Paul George or Bradley Beal isn't what they're looking to do.

They're fantastic proposals for Detroit in a vacuum, but they're entirely unrealistic. If the Pistons could trade Griffin for Beal, or in a sign-and-trade for George, then they would do so in a half-second and celebrate riotously afterward. But the Wizards would never make such a foolish trade, George would never accept a sign-and-trade to Detroit, and the Thunder would not want Griffin anyway. That's why these won't happen.

Both PG13 and Beal are far more valuable players than Griffin, particularly to this team.

[Billl]

Tobias had a hot shooting start last year. The prior year, he shot 34.7%. In blake's first year shooting 3s, he shot 34.5%. And he did it on higher volume. But sure, keep telling yourself tobias is a great floor stretcher but blake isn't.

[Balkman32]

https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/7047473

Who says no?

[Crymson]

Tobias had a hot shooting start last year.

Harris shot 39% in games 21-82. That ranked him 16th among the all 62 players who took at least five threes per game over that span. Still very good.

Griffin was 55th.

The prior year, he shot 34.7%.

He had corrective eye surgery in the 2017 offseason, to which he credited his substantial improvement from the three-point line.

In blake's first year shooting 3s, he shot 34.5%. And he did it on higher volume. But sure, keep telling yourself tobias is a great floor stretcher but blake isn't.

That's an odd way of stating things. First off, Harris is a solid floor stretcher and Griffin is not. That's objectively and factually the case, as things stand, so I will indeed continue telling myself that. Second, Griffin can only stretch the floor in the most basic sense: by taking open spot-up threes. He cannot shoot while covered, cannot shoot off the dribble, and, as noted, has no reliable offense of any kind between the paint and the three-point line. Harris, meanwhile, can score from anywhere, can score off the dribble, and can score while covered. He's a stretch four and a highly versatile scorer. Griffin is neither. He was not even an efficient scorer last season. Far from it, with both teams he played for.

Moving on, I'd like you to explain your statement that Griffin is "an incredibly complete offensive player."