Detroit declining Ellenson's 4th year option
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At least he is an expiring that can be used in a trade.
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BadMofoPimp wrote:At least he is an expiring that can be used in a trade.
That's the only semblance of a silver lining.
Still they're trade options are limited (for any trading activity really) because they are only like $400k below the tax line.
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And his only value is as an expiring as his acquiring team would then be hamstrung in keeping him if there was any semblence of "getting it" out of Ellenson. But outside of an outta nowhere breakout he wouldn't be getting more than $3M offers given the state of bigmen in the new NBA.
I believe he's still an RFA, but we can only match up to his 4th year rookie salary we walked away from. So if Ellenson wants to leave he signs for a dollar more than that elsewhere.
I'm growing more torn because it's cheap in the grand scheme of roster building. Pistons look at it as adding another vet minimum player in his place basically. I guess that's what you do when you're pretending to be "win now".
He wasn't going to stop us from making any moves next off-season IF Gores would pay the tax. So this was Gores being a cheap bastard again.
I believe he's still an RFA, but we can only match up to his 4th year rookie salary we walked away from. So if Ellenson wants to leave he signs for a dollar more than that elsewhere.
I'm growing more torn because it's cheap in the grand scheme of roster building. Pistons look at it as adding another vet minimum player in his place basically. I guess that's what you do when you're pretending to be "win now".
He wasn't going to stop us from making any moves next off-season IF Gores would pay the tax. So this was Gores being a cheap bastard again.
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Henry Ellenson's two games in the G-League this season -
Last night - 34mpg | 4-9 shooting (2-4 3pt) | 9-12FT | 11 Reb | 5 Assists | 1 Block | 19 points
Tonight's game - 35mpg| 9-12 shooting(3-5 3pt)| 8-9FT | 15 Reb | 2 Assists | 2 Blocks | 29 points
Last night - 34mpg | 4-9 shooting (2-4 3pt) | 9-12FT | 11 Reb | 5 Assists | 1 Block | 19 points
Tonight's game - 35mpg| 9-12 shooting(3-5 3pt)| 8-9FT | 15 Reb | 2 Assists | 2 Blocks | 29 points
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DETermination wrote:The guy just isn't an nba player, what a horrible draft pick.
To be fair, there weren't many players chosen after him who look like they belong in the league. The only exceptions are probably Caris LeVert, Pascal Siakam, Dejounte Murray, Malcolm Brogdon (and a couple undrafted guys like Fred VanVleet or Dorian Finney-Smith) but that's about it.
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Tonights game -
17 points on 5-12 shooting 1-2 from deep and 6-7 from the line. 11 rebounds, 4 assists, 1 steal and a block in 33 minutes.
17 points on 5-12 shooting 1-2 from deep and 6-7 from the line. 11 rebounds, 4 assists, 1 steal and a block in 33 minutes.
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Ellenson is the equivalent of a AAAA baseball player. Too good for the minors, not good enough for the majors.
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He looks good in that clip and is shooting the ball well. Still only 21. We should have given him 20 games in the g-league last year. It may not happen here, but he still has time to develop into a solid player.
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This board was so high on Henry 2 years ago. Players' trade value is at their highest when we haven't seen enough of them to see their flaws yet.
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Ellenson tonight in a 96-93 loss to the baby Bulls -
37mpg | 24pts on 7-15 shooting (2-7 3pt) | 8-8 FT | 9 REB | 3 Assists | 1 Block
Bruce Brown Jr was down there for the weekend as well -
37mpg | 24pts on 7-15 shooting (2-7 3pt) | 8-8 FT | 9 REB | 3 Assists | 1 Block
Bruce Brown Jr was down there for the weekend as well -
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Henry Ellenson for Carmelo Anthony, who says no?
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You make it in this league with some combination of skill, athleticism, and basketball IQ. For a big man in today's NBA, Henry possesses somewhat above average skill (it got him drafted), very weak athleticism, and very weak basketball IQ. That's not going to cut it. Most of the guys making it without NBA quicks or hops are both highly skilled and very clever in the way they play. Henry, sad to say, seems like a dummy.
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I think he should have been doing this the last two seasons. He played one year of college ball and then rode the pine for two years. His BBIQ will rise with playing time - he's getting force fed all the minutes he can handle - which again is how it should have been.
I do have concerns that his athleticism will never allow him to play at the NBA level - but that can be overcome with veteran guile. He's playing PF in the G-League right now which I'm not sure I agree with as he's often matched up with somebody much smaller than him - BUT they're also thus more athletic so he's working on his agility and "game tempo" he'll get out of the NBA bigs, but not getting the strength portion so much and bullies his guard for contested shots - which he won't be able to do at the NBA level. In the NBA he's almost surely a center and should be focused on off-ball offense that that entails - picks and screens etc.
I do have concerns that his athleticism will never allow him to play at the NBA level - but that can be overcome with veteran guile. He's playing PF in the G-League right now which I'm not sure I agree with as he's often matched up with somebody much smaller than him - BUT they're also thus more athletic so he's working on his agility and "game tempo" he'll get out of the NBA bigs, but not getting the strength portion so much and bullies his guard for contested shots - which he won't be able to do at the NBA level. In the NBA he's almost surely a center and should be focused on off-ball offense that that entails - picks and screens etc.
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tmorgan wrote:You make it in this league with some combination of skill, athleticism, and basketball IQ. For a big man in today's NBA, Henry possesses somewhat above average skill (it got him drafted), very weak athleticism, and very weak basketball IQ. That's not going to cut it. Most of the guys making it without NBA quicks or hops are both highly skilled and very clever in the way they play. Henry, sad to say, seems like a dummy.
He is OK in g-league as most of the times he is the first option but when he has to move without the ball, set picks etc he looks like he has no clue. I don't think its a matter of athleticism too, a lot of guys are able to stay in the league with just shooting and length like him. He is just doesn't have fundamentals to become a basketball player in this league.
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Why is anyone still talking about this guy?
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It's more than just lacking athleticism. He lacks toughness. Any tiny bump and he just crumples. He looks fine against less talented players, but when the competition picks up, he just doesn't fight hard enough to be productive. All the "little things" you want your bigs to do in the NBA involved kinda sticking their nose in there and absorbing contact. If you aren't willing to do that, some less talented guy is going to eat your lunch.
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They should just waive Ellenson, and hope some team picks him up for the minimum.
Whatever the new team would be paying him would lower his cap hit, which would probably create enough wiggle room under the tax to sign an NBA caliber player.
Would like to do the same with Leuer as well, but the cost to waive him would be way too steep. With him, we just gotta hope that he can be moved this summer as an expiring contract.
Whatever the new team would be paying him would lower his cap hit, which would probably create enough wiggle room under the tax to sign an NBA caliber player.
Would like to do the same with Leuer as well, but the cost to waive him would be way too steep. With him, we just gotta hope that he can be moved this summer as an expiring contract.
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thesack12 wrote:They should just waive Ellenson, and hope some team picks him up for the minimum.
Whatever the new team would be paying him would lower his cap hit, which would probably create enough wiggle room under the tax to sign an NBA caliber player.
Would like to do the same with Leuer as well, but the cost to waive him would be way too steep. With him, we just gotta hope that he can be moved this summer as an expiring contract.
Interesting idea. But if nobody picks him up we're "taxed" out and down a roster spot. Might as well hold him while we don't need the spot to potentially include him as salary fodder to make salaries match in a larger deal.
I'm sure teams all know he could be had for cap space and a top 59 protected second rounder.
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Kilo wrote:thesack12 wrote:They should just waive Ellenson, and hope some team picks him up for the minimum.
Whatever the new team would be paying him would lower his cap hit, which would probably create enough wiggle room under the tax to sign an NBA caliber player.
Would like to do the same with Leuer as well, but the cost to waive him would be way too steep. With him, we just gotta hope that he can be moved this summer as an expiring contract.
Interesting idea. But if nobody picks him up we're "taxed" out and down a roster spot. Might as well hold him while we don't need the spot to potentially include him as salary fodder to make salaries match in a larger deal.
I'm sure teams all know he could be had for cap space and a top 59 protected second rounder.
Yeah, nobody is going to absorb Henry via cap space, TPE, or DPE. Especially since he no longer comes with bird rights.
I think there is a good chance some team would pick him up as a free agent for the minimum. He's not that far away removed from being a teens 1st round pick, and he's played low minutes that team's might consider some upside is left in him.
Waiving Henry would allow Detroit to take back 1 more player than they send in a potential trade, which always opens up flexibility in the trade market.
However, I do agree with you that for the time being it might be best to keep him on the roster just for potential trading salary filler purposes.
I think Detroit is like 400K below the tax, eventually enough of the season will pass where Detroit could afford to sign someone to the pro-rated vet minimum and stay under the tax. When that point in reached if Henry is still around, IMO they should waive him and sign someone else.