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Shooting 43% fg% and 32% on 3 pt attempts. Both career highs.

Good stuff, Hopefully he stays consistent with it this time around. Casey allowing Johnson the freedom or at least not making him walk on egg shells could be a career changer.

Look at his numbers since coming off the bench - 47% FG and 37.5% on 3PT

He looks better off the bench, but it's early. If a couple game streak defined a player, Langston Galloway would be the NBA's best 3 point shooter. He should have a much easier time just bullying backups than starters though and not many teams are playing shotblockers in the second unit anymore.

Billl wrote:He looks better off the bench, but it's early. If a couple game streak defined a player, Langston Galloway would be the NBA's best 3 point shooter. He should have a much easier time just bullying backups than starters though and not many teams are playing shotblockers in the second unit anymore.

Must be a mental thing at this point...either way I'll take it!

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He has had very good stretches before - even in his rookie season. I think it' a case of coming off the bench is less structured and he can just flow with the game better. Also his game obviously doesn't fit with Dre and Griffin - so we'll have to decide what to do with him in the off-season when he's an RFA. How much do we pay him, how much would we match on an offer sheet etc. Just because he isn't a fit as a starter here, other teams could look to pay him to start for them. Of course we have 60 more games to see what he really is, and this could be a hot streak and he ends up back in the crapper soon enough.

He talked about it a bit during the post game interview.

Ish, galloway, and brown all defend well and run the floor... TO's lead to Stanley buckets.

Zaza gets the rebound and makes the right outlet pass. This creates transition opportunities.

Ish is a willing passer. With starters he's option #5 but with the bench he's option #1 or #2.

In the second unit he's often playing the four, which gives him a quickness advantage. He's got the strength and size to defend most fours. Playing the three next to Blake and Dre might not be his best fit. It works defensively against some of the bigger SF's out there like Lebron, Durant, and Leonard but offensively he might do his best work against opposing PFs.

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Billl wrote:He looks better off the bench, but it's early. If a couple game streak defined a player, Langston Galloway would be the NBA's best 3 point shooter. He should have a much easier time just bullying backups than starters though and not many teams are playing shotblockers in the second unit anymore.

Must be a mental thing at this point...either way I'll take it!

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Everything is mental when it comes to sports. But this time around I think it's more of being able to do whatever Stanley wants to do on the court. Casey is BIG on letting players do whatever they want. 0/5? Keep playing, you're defending well. Stanley in the second unit is given the reigns next to Ish. He's been great on transition. His defense has always been superb. His confidence is as good of a professional athlete's can get. I'm impressed with him so far off the bench. He's gonna get Winslow's contract for sure if he keeps it up. Issue is he might demand even more than Winslow. Looking like Stanley is winning against Winslow right now.

It’s looking more like Stan Van Gundy stunted his growth. Early on in the season, Stanley had some truly terrible games. I was even guilty of saying he was just a bad player and wasn’t SVG the coach’s fault. But Casey was patient. He Allowed Stanley to play through mistakes and now he’s trending in a positive direction. Best part: It didn’t cost us any games. That’s the difference between a know it all perfectionist and a player’s coach.


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Kilo wrote:He has had very good stretches before - even in his rookie season. I think it' a case of coming off the bench is less structured and he can just flow with the game better. Also his game obviously doesn't fit with Dre and Griffin - so we'll have to decide what to do with him in the off-season when he's an RFA. How much do we pay him, how much would we match on an offer sheet etc. Just because he isn't a fit as a starter here, other teams could look to pay him to start for them. Of course we have 60 more games to see what he really is, and this could be a hot streak and he ends up back in the crapper soon enough.

As long as he's shooting over 30% from 3 teams are absolutely going to look to sign him. He's not a starter. Issue is Winslow is a similar player caliber and he got a fat contract of 10m a year. That's a lot for Winslow! Stanley is going to be demanding that type of money at this rate. Might demand even more. NBA is full of fat contracts now.

We've heard this about SJ before several times, need to see more than 3-4 games, he still looks out of control to the lane, but he's made a few and hit a few 3 pointers.

So glad SVG is gone. Stanley has always done better playing as a leader, with freedom to handle the ball and make plays.

Playing with Reggie Jackson, and now Blake Griffin for all your minutes, and having to watch them dribble and operate offensively... just doesn't work for a player like Stanley. Know Your Personnel. This has been obvious since his rookie year.

He's always played better as a leader of the 2nd unit. Glad to finally see a round peg in a round hole on the Pistons. Yes you definitely keep a weapon like that as long as they help you win games.

ComboGuardCity wrote:It’s looking more like Stan Van Gundy stunted his growth. Early on in the season, Stanley had some truly terrible games. I was even guilty of saying he was just a bad player and wasn’t SVG the coach’s fault. But Casey was patient. He Allowed Stanley to play through mistakes and now he’s trending in a positive direction. Best part: It didn’t cost us any games. That’s the difference between a know it all perfectionist and a player’s coach.


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I actually think SVG gave him a long leash. He started about as many games under SVG last year as he did this year and he looked better off the bench last year too. He actually was even playing pretty well around the time of the Griffin trade. SVG gave SJ more than enough opportunities to prove himself imo. I don't think this is a matter of Casey doing something magical. I love Casey so far but this looks like SJ simply just finishing easy layups and make some more of his 3s. When your shots fall and you're not bricking layups you tend to look like a competent player.

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ComboGuardCity wrote:It’s looking more like Stan Van Gundy stunted his growth. Early on in the season, Stanley had some truly terrible games. I was even guilty of saying he was just a bad player and wasn’t SVG the coach’s fault. But Casey was patient. He Allowed Stanley to play through mistakes and now he’s trending in a positive direction. Best part: It didn’t cost us any games. That’s the difference between a know it all perfectionist and a player’s coach.


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I actually think SVG gave him a long leash. He started about as many games under SVG last year as he did this year and he looked better off the bench last year too. He actually was even playing pretty well around the time of the Griffin trade. SVG gave SJ more than enough opportunities to prove himself imo. I don't think this is a matter of Casey doing something magical. I love Casey so far but this looks like SJ simply just finishing easy layups and make some more of his 3s. When your shots fall and you're not bricking layups you tend to look like a competent player.

He’s not getting DNP-CD like he did in with SVG.

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ComboGuardCity wrote:It’s looking more like Stan Van Gundy stunted his growth. Early on in the season, Stanley had some truly terrible games. I was even guilty of saying he was just a bad player and wasn’t SVG the coach’s fault. But Casey was patient. He Allowed Stanley to play through mistakes and now he’s trending in a positive direction. Best part: It didn’t cost us any games. That’s the difference between a know it all perfectionist and a player’s coach.


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I actually think SVG gave him a long leash. He started about as many games under SVG last year as he did this year and he looked better off the bench last year too. He actually was even playing pretty well around the time of the Griffin trade. SVG gave SJ more than enough opportunities to prove himself imo. I don't think this is a matter of Casey doing something magical. I love Casey so far but this looks like SJ simply just finishing easy layups and make some more of his 3s. When your shots fall and you're not bricking layups you tend to look like a competent player.

He’s not getting DNP-CD like he did in with SVG.

Yeah I'm sure those 11 career DNP-CD's out of a possible 246 games (more than half of those coming in his rookie year) was a HUGE detriment to Stanley's psyche and development.

Stanley played 1 year of college ball. In high school he was primarily a center. When he was drafted he didn't possess 1 offensive go to move. He couldn't shoot, dribble at an adequate NBA level. He didn't really have a position. And the clueless master of panic didn't help Stanley any. Stanley is working hard developing the skills and discipline of a good to very good NBA player. Betting my money on Stanley that at the least he becomes a Bruce Bowen type. At the least. Would be a mistake to let him get away. Offensively he is a better draymond green.offensively he is stil growing Defensively he is in that mold.

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ComboGuardCity wrote:It’s looking more like Stan Van Gundy stunted his growth. Early on in the season, Stanley had some truly terrible games. I was even guilty of saying he was just a bad player and wasn’t SVG the coach’s fault. But Casey was patient. He Allowed Stanley to play through mistakes and now he’s trending in a positive direction. Best part: It didn’t cost us any games. That’s the difference between a know it all perfectionist and a player’s coach.


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I actually think SVG gave him a long leash. He started about as many games under SVG last year as he did this year and he looked better off the bench last year too. He actually was even playing pretty well around the time of the Griffin trade. SVG gave SJ more than enough opportunities to prove himself imo. I don't think this is a matter of Casey doing something magical. I love Casey so far but this looks like SJ simply just finishing easy layups and make some more of his 3s. When your shots fall and you're not bricking layups you tend to look like a competent player.

He’s not getting DNP-CD like he did in with SVG.

He played 69 games last year and I believe he missed time with a minor shoulder injury too if I remember correctly, not DNP-CDs. He also played 3.5mpg more last season than he currently is this season. Again, SVG gave him PLENTY of opportunities.

Biggest factor nobody has touched on is age. He's basically the same age as Kennard.

ChipButty wrote:Biggest factor nobody has touched on is age. He's basically the same age as Kennard.

Four years of league experience greatly downplays the age argument though. I can accept it for Brown still having a lot of potential even though he's 22yo - because he's in his first few months as a rookie. I mean Tim Duncan was a 22 yr old rookie and nobody said he was near a finished product. There is a steep learning curve than more of a plateau point no matter your rookie age really - by 4-5 years in you are who you are.

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ChipButty wrote:Biggest factor nobody has touched on is age. He's basically the same age as Kennard.

Four years of league experience greatly downplays the age argument though. I can accept it for Brown still having a lot of potential even though he's 22yo - because he's in his first few months as a rookie. I mean Tim Duncan was a 22 yr old rookie and nobody said he was near a finished product. There is a steep learning curve than more of a plateau point no matter your rookie age really - by 4-5 years in you are who you are.

There is a pretty long list of guys who blossomed in years 4+. eg Ben Wallace came here in his 5th year and exploded. Steve Nash made the leap in year 5 as did chauncey and Lowry. Not saying SJ is going to follow that path, but some guys are late bloomers.

SJ's currently posting career highs across the board, so it doesn't look like he peaked in year 3. He's definitely shown enough flashes to keep GM's interested.