Stanley, Ish, and Bullock are FA's this summer. Who do we keep?

[bstein14]

Three of our top 8 guys in our rotation are FA's this summer. Robinson could be a FA as well but that's a team option and with him starting thus far it seems likely we'll be keeping him. That could mean we'll look much different next year.
Blake $34.2 million
Andre $27 million (could opt out after next season, has player option)
Reggie Jackson $18 million (expiring after next season)
Jon L $9.5 million (expiring after next season)
Galloway $7.3 million
Kennard $3.8 million
Bruce Brown $1.4 million
Kyrie Thomas $1.4 million
Josh Smith $5.3 << Last season of dead Josh Smith $ eating the salary cap!>>
Glen Robinson II $4.2 million (Team Option likely picked up)
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So we're at $112 million before we resign our own FA's or try to use the MLE($9 million)
Luxury tax estimate of $132 million leaves us with about $20 million to spend, or just $11 million to spend on keeping any of our own players if we want to use the full MLE to add someone as well.
Stanley <Up and down 4 seasons with us not sure if we want to keep or not, will be Restricted.>
Ish <Has been a key player for us on a cheap 3 year deal, especially with Reggie health issues.>
Reggie Bullock <If he shoots well this year, could be a player other teams go after.>
ZaZa <Could be a resign at league minimum, or could be a retire>
Calderon <Likely to retire>
Ellenson <Likely out of NBA>

We're going to have some tough choices to make as a team in who we keep and whether or not to pick up that team option on GR3. That $5 million hit from Josh Smith is still killing us and will impact us this summer in FA signings once again, possibly not allowing us to sign any FA's besides our own without going into the luxury tax.

[MotownMadness]

Ish and whoever looks better out of Bullock or Johnson. Probably Johnson seeing as he’s under team control

[DCintheD]

That $5 million hit from Josh Smith is still killing us and will impact us this summer in FA signings once again, possibly not allowing us to sign any FA's besides our own without going into the luxury tax.

The nba should implement an option to void up to 3 horrible decisions that a previous regime is responsible for. I was so happy to get rid of josh smith but a buyout would’ve been a much smarter decision. His deal was supposed to expire 2 seasons ago.

[bstein14]

The other really crazy thing is that right now, only Blake has a salary on the books for certain to start the 2020 season with us. Next summer(2020) Dre could exercise his 5th year player option, Jackson is a FA, Leuer is a FA, Galloway is a FA, we have a team option on Kennard... so this could be an entirely different team in a year and a half. Drummond will be able to opt out and try to sign a 5 year $200 million contract the same summer Reggie Jackson is also a FA. Not sure whether or not Dre will opt out, but it wouldn't surprise me one bit for him to try and lock up a longer deal because there is always injury risk.

[bstein14]

That $5 million hit from Josh Smith is still killing us and will impact us this summer in FA signings once again, possibly not allowing us to sign any FA's besides our own without going into the luxury tax.

The nba should implement an option to void up to 3 horrible decisions that a previous regime is responsible for. I was so happy to get rid of josh smith but a buyout would’ve been a much smarter decision. His deal was supposed to expire 2 seasons ago.

Its the way of the SVG era. We sacrificed future cap space for a little more to sign guys like Leuer, Ish, and Galloway.

[Invictus88]

The other really crazy thing is that right now, only Blake has a salary on the books for certain to start the 2020 season with us. Next summer(2020) Dre could exercise his 5th year player option, Jackson is a FA, Leuer is a FA, Galloway is a FA, we have a team option on Kennard... so this could be an entirely different team in a year and a half. Drummond will be able to opt out and try to sign a 5 year $200 million contract the same summer Reggie Jackson is also a FA. Not sure whether or not Dre will opt out, but it wouldn't surprise me one bit for him to try and lock up a longer deal because there is always injury risk.

This x 1000 to things possibly being completely different in just 18 months.

A lot more people on this board need to realize this instead of throwing their hands up and saying: "We are all in already" whenever the next high priced player becomes 'available'.

[7r5ur]

That $5 million hit from Josh Smith is still killing us and will impact us this summer in FA signings once again, possibly not allowing us to sign any FA's besides our own without going into the luxury tax.

The nba should implement an option to void up to 3 horrible decisions that a previous regime is responsible for. I was so happy to get rid of josh smith but a buyout would’ve been a much smarter decision. His deal was supposed to expire 2 seasons ago.

Its the way of the SVG era. We sacrificed future cap space for a little more to sign guys like Leuer, Ish, and Galloway.

Exhibit A of why you don't give the coach any GM responsibilities. As soon as they start feeling that hot seat, it's nothing but panic moves. Gotta have a GM who can keep one eye on the future while the coach is willing to scrap all of that for an extra win or 2 right now.

[mattao313]

The nba should implement an option to void up to 3 horrible decisions that a previous regime is responsible for. I was so happy to get rid of josh smith but a buyout would’ve been a much smarter decision. His deal was supposed to expire 2 seasons ago.

Its the way of the SVG era. We sacrificed future cap space for a little more to sign guys like Leuer, Ish, and Galloway.

Exhibit A of why you don't give the coach any GM responsibilities. As soon as they start feeling that hot seat, it's nothing but panic moves. Gotta have a GM who can keep one eye on the future while the coach is willing to scrap all of that for an extra win or 2 right now.

What? He stretched him, his first season in Detroit it was no hot seat.

[mattao313]

Bullock and Ish are keepers.

[Snakebites]

Yeah, I was one of those people who was really happy to get rid of Josh Smith and was even happy that we were only taking a partial cap hit from him for the rest of that contract.

In retrospect it was clearly the wrong move because that 5 mill is having an impact on us. Not as big an impact as the money we're essentially burning in a trash can by giving to Jon Leuer and Langston Galloway, though. I guess Galloway is at least contributing a little bit, but still, that's over 20 million dollars we're basically going to be lighting on fire for the next 2 years still.

Very sad to say the least.

[Kilo]

Just Stanley Johnson. Maybe Ish if he comes CHEAPER than $6M. Bullock is a goner. I also think we don't pick up the GRIII option either. Ish will depend on if we trust Brown or not and who we target with the MLE money.

I think the scenario is draft a wing with our FRP. Bullock on the roster is "replaced" by Khyri Thomas sliding into a regular role. This wing FRP will back-up

I think Johnson signs $30 yr 30M contract - either here or an offersheet and we match it.

Probably try to keep Zaza on same deal.

I'd offer full MLE to Dinwiddie on first day. Other MLE targets - Dedmon, Cory Joseph, Wilson Chandler, Trevor Ariza

[Kilo]

Stan treated Smith like a coach would. He was worried about losing his lockerroom if he was tough with Smith. A GM is more bottom line business and wouldn't have stretched Smith but would have traded him for somebody elses junk.

[7r5ur]

Its the way of the SVG era. We sacrificed future cap space for a little more to sign guys like Leuer, Ish, and Galloway.

Exhibit A of why you don't give the coach any GM responsibilities. As soon as they start feeling that hot seat, it's nothing but panic moves. Gotta have a GM who can keep one eye on the future while the coach is willing to scrap all of that for an extra win or 2 right now.

What? He stretched him, his first season in Detroit it was no hot seat.

I was talking about panic-signing guys like Leuer, Galloway, Boban, etc just because we had the money and SVG was desperate to eek out 1 or 2 wins to save his job, even if it costs us all flexibility for the future.

Specifically with Leuer and Galloway, who have killed our cap situation for the last few years... Those reeked of desperation from day 1. A dedicated GM is there to realize we're better off taking a tiny hit in the moment to not wrap up long-term money in guys who don't have a future with the team. Better off signing a 1-year guy who is a fraction worse today.

Credit to our current staff for going with a guy like GRIII on a 1+1. No need to tie up long-term money on fringe players. Same with Zaza. You don't sign a 21M dollar 3rd string center when you can have a guy like Zaza be 95% as effective for next to nothing.

[Crymson]

The nba should implement an option to void up to 3 horrible decisions that a previous regime is responsible for. I was so happy to get rid of josh smith but a buyout would’ve been a much smarter decision. His deal was supposed to expire 2 seasons ago.

Then we wouldn't have had the cap space for SVG to overpay Leuer. Anyway, Gores wants wins NOW. Leaving Smith's full salary on the cap for two seasons would've meant less likelihood for the Pistons to win enough games to land in the low lottery.

Best way to get rid of Josh Smith: trade him to Sacto when they were interested in summer 2014. Van Gundy got an offer of Jason Thompson and Derrick Williams. WAY smaller salary load. Van Gundy said nope. He delusionally thought he could make it work with Smith. When he figured out later in the year that he'd been terribly wrong, even Vivek didn't want Smith anymore.

Awful GM.

[Billl]

I'd be a bit surprised if all 3 of those guys are on the roster by the end of the season. SJ would probably be the easiest to keep. We can just wait on the market and then resign him if he doesn't get a big offer. I really hope they don't offer big contracts to any of our role players though.

[Moses ShamMoses]

We'll probably lose Bullock and try to resign Ish. Stanley will be a wildcard based on his production the rest of the season. If he keeps improving we'll probably match up to a certain point. I don't think the market will get crazy for him though. I'm thinking he'll get the Winslow deal at the most.

[Kilo]

We'll probably lose Bullock and try to resign Ish. Stanley will be a wildcard based on his production the rest of the season. If he keeps improving we'll probably match up to a certain point. I don't think the market will get crazy for him though. I'm thinking he'll get the Winslow deal at the most.

Concern with Johnson is a team who sees his play off our bench might see his fit in their roster build's starting line-up and pay him accordingly. Sacramento is really the only team that concerns me in this regard - hopefully they target Oubre or the trade market.

[Kilo]

I'd be a bit surprised if all 3 of those guys are on the roster by the end of the season. SJ would probably be the easiest to keep. We can just wait on the market and then resign him if he doesn't get a big offer. I really hope they don't offer big contracts to any of our role players though.

I think they'll all be here if we're flirting with being a play-off team come the trade deadline. That is this season's mission it seems. Then come next year when Reggie, Leuer, Galloway and potentially GRIII are all expiring we'll make our big move - either in dealing them or in that off-season when we'd have $30M under the cap if we fill out next years roster with one year deals like we did this year.

[DetroitSho]

Exhibit A of why you don't give the coach any GM responsibilities. As soon as they start feeling that hot seat, it's nothing but panic moves. Gotta have a GM who can keep one eye on the future while the coach is willing to scrap all of that for an extra win or 2 right now.

What? He stretched him, his first season in Detroit it was no hot seat.

I was talking about panic-signing guys like Leuer, Galloway, Boban, etc just because we had the money and SVG was desperate to eek out 1 or 2 wins to save his job, even if it costs us all flexibility for the future.

Specifically with Leuer and Galloway, who have killed our cap situation for the last few years... Those reeked of desperation from day 1. A dedicated GM is there to realize we're better off taking a tiny hit in the moment to not wrap up long-term money in guys who don't have a future with the team. Better off signing a 1-year guy who is a fraction worse today.

Credit to our current staff for going with a guy like GRIII on a 1+1. No need to tie up long-term money on fringe players. Same with Zaza. You don't sign a 21M dollar 3rd string center when you can have a guy like Zaza be 95% as effective for next to nothing.

I know the word panic just has to be thrown out when discussing SVG but there was nothing that screamed panic about the Leuer and Boban signings. You can certainly argue they shouldn't have been signed or not signed for the years/money they got. But the Pistons had just come off their best season in almost a decade and things were looking as good as ever. Nothing he did that offseason was in hopes of saving his job.

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[Uncle Mxy]

The nba should implement an option to void up to 3 horrible decisions that a previous regime is responsible for. I was so happy to get rid of josh smith but a buyout would’ve been a much smarter decision. His deal was supposed to expire 2 seasons ago.

That's what the amnesty provisions were about. I'm expecting more of that in the next CBA.