Next 7 games are against average teams, could determine direction???

bstein14 · Post #1 » by **bstein14** » Mon Jan 14, 2019 3:59 am

Our next 7 games will likely help dictate the direction we go moving forward. None of these games are gimmes but also they are all winnable and against pretty average teams. If we continue to play poorly and go 1-6 or even 2-5 in this stretch I think our GM has to sell ownership on selling this trade deadline and looking to our pick and the future. If the momentum from the Clippers game carries over and we go on a bit of a good run here perhaps management looks to add a piece for a playoff run. The other interesting thing is that after these 7 games, we have a stretch of 3 days off in a row which might be the perfect window to complete a trade. Then we have a 4 game homestand and one last road game in NY that leads us up to the trade deadline.

Monday Jan 14 @ Utah
Wednesday Jan 16 vs Orlando
Friday Jan 18 vs Miami
Saturday Jan 19 vs Sacramento
Monday Jan 21 @ Washington
Wednesday Jan 23 @ New Orleans
Friday Jan 25 @ Dallas
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Tuesday Jan 29 vs Milwaukee
Thursday Jan 31 vs Dallas
Saturday Feb 2nd vs LA Clippers
Monday Feb 4th vs Denver
Tuesday Feb 5th @ New York
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Thursday Feb 7th TRADE DEADLINE

Canadafan · Post #2 » by **Canadafan** » Mon Jan 14, 2019 5:47 am

Ish coming back makes this more likely we trade for a piece imo. If they move draft pick they better not be stupid like they were with Blake trade. Lotto protection is a must! My dream scenario is seeing the 3 boneheads traded for some high IQ and competitive players.

ducler · Post #3 » by **ducler** » Mon Jan 14, 2019 8:06 am

I can see us going 3-9 before trade deadline, something like that.

yiudavid · Post #4 » by **yiudavid** » Mon Jan 14, 2019 8:38 am

I also think we could only win 3 games : vs Orlando, Sacramento,and NY

buzzkilloton · Post #5 » by **buzzkilloton** » Mon Jan 14, 2019 8:57 am

I predict 5-8 before the deadline. Gores will not sell he will buy to lock us into the playoffs. Top 3 protected lotto pick for Evan Fournier would be my prediction.

Canadafan · Post #6 » by **Canadafan** » Mon Jan 14, 2019 1:21 pm

buzzkilloton wrote:I predict 5-8 before the deadline. Gores will not sell he will buy to lock us into the playoffs. Top 3 protected lotto pick for Evan Fournier would be my prediction.

If it was Leuer+Galloway+lotto protected 1st for Fournier I wouldnt cry. Considering we'd be giving up 2 useless guys(even though Galloway has shot lights out for 20%of his games) and this draft lines up to be pretty bad past the top 4 let alone past the whole lotto picks.
Orlando chops off a year of Fourniers contract.

MotownMadness · Post #7 » by **MotownMadness** » Mon Jan 14, 2019 1:25 pm

We moved to the 7th pick last night after Orlando won. We’re still like a game out of the 8th seed too though even with how bad we’ve been.

Kilo · Post #8 » by **Kilo** » Mon Jan 14, 2019 2:06 pm

When does the Boban TPE expire? If Gores trades a FRP without agreeing to pay the tax this year - that is **** ****.

I mean we have $7M TPE to offer tax teams or just salary savings to teams - either just on ROS players or even to teams with longer term players looking to shave off money from their next season cap to have more money this off-season in free agency. Tax is money out of Gores pocket/Pistons operation expenses, trading a FRP hurts the team long term. And it would be penny wise and pound foolish - if you hit on that pick you get a cost controlled starter or rotation player for five seasons, and have their RFA rights to secure them for potentially 10 years here.

First move should be use the Boban TPE and see what we can get.

Billl · Post #9 » by **Billl** » Mon Jan 14, 2019 2:18 pm

Good Lord, I hope nobody in the organization thinks like this. No 7 game stretch of games should fundamentally change our long term plans.

vic · Post #10 » by **vic** » Mon Jan 14, 2019 2:47 pm

Billl wrote:Good Lord, I hope nobody in the organization thinks like this. No 7 game stretch of games should fundamentally change our long term plans.

literally the definition of horrible leadership. We've been dealing with this lack of strategy for the past 15 years?

bstein14 · Post #11 » by **bstein14** » Mon Jan 14, 2019 3:38 pm

vic wrote:
Billl wrote:Good Lord, I hope nobody in the organization thinks like this. No 7 game stretch of games should fundamentally change our long term plans.

literally the definition of horrible leadership. We've been dealing with this lack of strategy for the past 15 years?

I think every year you see teams that think they are playoff teams going in, or are hopeful, and they end up being sellers at the deadline. Its tough in the East because we're so close to being a playoff team but also so close to a pick. Its obvious the best solution for our team would be to trade away players for picks/shorter contracts and try to build through the draft but its also clear that ownership hasn't been about that at all the past decade and very recently there have been reports about Gores meeting with management about "getting help for Blake and Casey" so I do think to some degree if we continue to freefall against average teams it could help push the narrative that we finally need to tank out for 30+ games to end this season and hope we get lucky in the draft.

Laimbeer · Post #12 » by **Laimbeer** » Mon Jan 14, 2019 4:22 pm

I think we're probably on the bubble and we stand pat.

flow · Post #13 » by **flow** » Mon Jan 14, 2019 7:23 pm

Speaking of direction....

How many years did we give Casey, again? And how much money? This team isn't coached any better than it was under SVG.

Post #14 » by **Snakebites** » Mon Jan 14, 2019 8:36 pm

It’s tough to be much of a buyer when you can’t take on short term salary without going over the LT, and I don’t see us selling no matter what.

I’d be surprised if we make any major moves.

Post #15 » by **Snakebites** » Mon Jan 14, 2019 8:37 pm

flow wrote:Speaking of direction....

How many years did we give Casey, again? And how much money? This team isn't coached any better than it was under SVG.

4 years or 5. I forget.

And the money is a lot.

Post #16 » by **theBigLip** » Tue Jan 15, 2019 2:43 pm

I was watching the Utah game last night and am totally convinced that we blow it up. I guess a few more losses might convince Gores. If we tank now, we could have the #6 pick. Blake might even be tradeable. I would even trade Drummond. Hopefully we are active at the trade deadline and we don't throw away any of our picks. Fingers crossed...

Kilo · Post #17 » by **Kilo** » Sat Jan 19, 2019 4:57 pm

Pellies will be without Anthony Davis for our game on the 23rd due to finger injury. Might be able to win that one now assuming Dre is back.

Manocad · Post #18 » by **Manocad** » Sat Jan 19, 2019 9:22 pm

theBigLip wrote:I was watching the Utah game last night and am totally convinced that we blow it up. I guess a few more losses might convince Gores. If we tank now, we could have the #6 pick. Blake might even be tradeable. I would even trade Drummond. Hopefully we are active at the trade deadline and we don't throw away any of our picks. Fingers crossed...

I like the way you think

sfballa13 · Post #19 » by **sfballa13** » Sun Jan 20, 2019 6:48 am

I predict we are going to do the same thing we do every single season since 2008, win stupid pointless games and get another trash pick

Here are our 1st round draft positions since 2008:
15, 7, 8, 9, 8, ---, 8, 18, 12, ---

We havent drafted better than 7th in the past 11 years and we've made the playoffs twice since then, it's really pathetic when you take a hard look at it

Our best players from the draft overall have been Middleton, Drummond, and Dinwiddie

We need to tank even if it's for a small shot at Zion

Is Gores that short sighted as a businessman? How much money would TWO playoff, tops THREE games net him? Just tank and get a young promising team with players that are exciting to watch instead of this dumpster fire we have been putting on the court since 08

Kilo · Post #20 » by **Kilo** » Sun Jan 20, 2019 2:09 pm

sfballa13 wrote:I predict we are going to do the same thing we do every single season since 2008, win stupid pointless games and get another trash pick

Here are our 1st round draft positions since 2008:
15, 7, 8, 9, 8, ---, 8, 18, 12, ---

We havent drafted better than 7th in the past 11 years and we've made the playoffs twice since then, it's really pathetic when you take a hard look at it

Our best players from the draft overall have been Middleton, Drummond, and Dinwiddie

We need to tank even if it's for a small shot at Zion

Is Gores that short sighted as a businessman? How much money would TWO playoff, tops THREE games net him? Just tank and get a young promising team with players that are exciting to watch instead of this dumpster fire we have been putting on the court since 08

And without looking I bet there was all-stars drafted after we picked in every draft. It's scouting and player development outside of winning the lottery. And it's been too much catering to Dre because we were desperate for our own "franchise" player that we tried to pretend he was one and we treated him like one and now he thinks he's one rather than being a 3rd option dirty work type. Now that Blake Griffin is here hopefully Gores and the FO are seeing what a real franchise player looks like, trains like, acts like and plays like and that breaks the spell Dre seems to have over Gores and the FO.