WOJBomb - Stanley Johnson for Thon Maker

[vege]

Good to see an organization trying to put a round peg in a round hole.
Stanley's always been a point forward not a stretch 4.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.nola.com/pelicans/2019/02/pelicans-experimenting-with-stanley-johnson-running-the-offense.html%3FoutputType%3Damp&ved=0ahUKEwjY2JTDvNrgAhUFP60KHfkLAsAQyM8BCCYwAA&usg=AOvVaw015QGbSulc_9XcNQY9X1eO&ampcf=1

That was a short lived experiment. He played 90 seconds against the Lakers and managed to miss a pair of free throws and turn the ball over twice before getting benched for the rest of the game. Tonight against the Suns he hasn't gotten off the bench. Seems like his perfect role on a team is bench warmer. I wish him the best in China next year.

If we play agains Toronto in the playoffs we gonna miss his defense on Kawhi. That's his role, a defensive specialist and nothing more.

[JD43320]

If we play Toronto in the playoffs we're going to lose with or without Stanley Johnson. His only role in the NBA is as a defensive specialist but you aren't going to get more than spot minutes if you are such a negative on offense.

[tmorgan]

Stanley should have made the NFL his goal. The physical stuff matters more there. I could see him as a star tight end or linebacker.

[srt4b]

Good to see an organization trying to put a round peg in a round hole.
Stanley's always been a point forward not a stretch 4.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.nola.com/pelicans/2019/02/pelicans-experimenting-with-stanley-johnson-running-the-offense.html%3FoutputType%3Damp&ved=0ahUKEwjY2JTDvNrgAhUFP60KHfkLAsAQyM8BCCYwAA&usg=AOvVaw015QGbSulc_9XcNQY9X1eO&ampcf=1

That was a short lived experiment. He played 90 seconds against the Lakers and managed to miss a pair of free throws and turn the ball over twice before getting benched for the rest of the game. Tonight against the Suns he hasn't gotten off the bench. Seems like his perfect role on a team is bench warmer. I wish him the best in China next year.

If we play agains Toronto in the playoffs we gonna miss his defense on Kawhi. That's his role, a defensive specialist and nothing more.

Then why does he shoot a ton of 3s?

[Spider156]

Stanley should have made the NFL his goal. The physical stuff matters more there. I could see him as a star tight end or linebacker.

I can see him being a linebacker or running back. He's got a strong trunk and legs. He can dig deep and get yards. He would've probably made more money in the NFL. I think he's talented just not as an NBA player. I think he's capable of taking over a game but as an NBA player you're asked to be efficient. So every shot you take needs to be confident. I wish we can sign him after the season ends so he can defend Leonard if we play toronto.

[Spider156]

That was a short lived experiment. He played 90 seconds against the Lakers and managed to miss a pair of free throws and turn the ball over twice before getting benched for the rest of the game. Tonight against the Suns he hasn't gotten off the bench. Seems like his perfect role on a team is bench warmer. I wish him the best in China next year.

If we play agains Toronto in the playoffs we gonna miss his defense on Kawhi. That's his role, a defensive specialist and nothing more.

Then why does he shoot a ton of 3s?

Cuz he's open and thinks he can make them. He can make them but he's not a spot up shooter. He's a volume shooter without the ball handling and finishing around the rim. Basically he sucks on offense. Simply put, he's open and teams leave him open on purpose.

[Manocad]

Stanley should have made the NFL his goal. The physical stuff matters more there. I could see him as a star tight end or linebacker.

I can see him being a linebacker or running back. He's got a strong trunk and legs. He can dig deep and get yards. He would've probably made more money in the NFL. I think he's talented just not as an NBA player. I think he's capable of taking over a game but as an NBA player you're asked to be efficient. So every shot you take needs to be confident. I wish we can sign him after the season ends so he can defend Leonard if we play toronto.

It’s an interesting topic to kick around but there’s a reason there has never been either a star running back or linebacker at 6’6” in the NFL—NFL running backs and receivers are FAR faster than NBA players.

Athletic/lean muscle mass and 6’6” in the NFL puts you in two spots, period—defensive end or tight end.

Or QB, but with Stanley’s shooting form...yeah, forget that.

[Spider156]

Stanley should have made the NFL his goal. The physical stuff matters more there. I could see him as a star tight end or linebacker.

I can see him being a linebacker or running back. He's got a strong trunk and legs. He can dig deep and get yards. He would've probably made more money in the NFL. I think he's talented just not as an NBA player. I think he's capable of taking over a game but as an NBA player you're asked to be efficient. So every shot you take needs to be confident. I wish we can sign him after the season ends so he can defend Leonard if we play toronto.

It’s an interesting topic to kick around but there’s a reason there has never been either a star running back or linebacker at 6’6” in the NFL—NFL running backs and receivers are FAR faster than NBA players.

Athletic/lean muscle mass and 6’6” in the NFL puts you in two spots, period—defensive end or tight end.

Or QB, but with Stanley’s shooting form...yeah, forget that.

Defensive or tight end are still fantastic positions for him. He can do it. If he doesn't stay in the league I'd consider trying out for the NFL if I were him.

[ComboGuardCity]

Always wondered what some of these guys could do in the league. Stanley could probably put more weight on and be pro bowl DE.

[DetroitSho]

Are y'all serious right now? Oh just walk right into the NFL and be a Pro Bowl caliber player huh. No acquired nuance over the years from the reps at the high school and college level, just flame out the NBA and sign right up.

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[tmorgan]

Never said that, couldn't happen now, at least not without years of work. I said he should have made the NFL his goal... and I meant early on. That kinda natural strength is rare.

[Manocad]

I certainly didn't suggest that Stanley could be a pro bowl NFL player; he'd never make roster. You don't play basketball your whole life then pick up (or go back to) football in your mid-20's and be good enough to play in the NFL. My only point was that AS A FOOTBALL PLAYER, with Stanley's current build he'd be suited for only TE or DE. For the most part the NFL is a low center of gravity game not well-suited for guys with 6'6" frames. Unless they have blazing foot speed, and in terms of NFL foot speed guys that tall just don't.

EDIT: On a related note...it reminds me of the "Could Ronda Rousey beat up Ray Rice?" question a while back. She's 5'7", 165 and he's 5'8" 205. People arguing for Ray Rice used the reasoning of him being stronger, heavier, faster runner, and playing/hitting guys in the NFL as the basis for why he'd win the fight. I used the reasoning that she's a championship MMA fighter--a highly developed SPECIFIC SKILL SET that he, as an NFL player, does NOT have--as the basis for why she'd destroy him in a fight. Then it was "Yeah, but if just closed in on her, wrapped her up, with his strength he could blah blah blah" which would be the QUICKEST way for him to lose. She'd have him choked out in less than a minute.

Point being, greater strength and speed can certainly give you an advantage over the guy you're competing with who has the same skill set. But strength and speed in and of themselves do NOT provide you with any SPECIFIC skill sets. As proof, watch any fight in any team sport ever (especially the NBA, actually). By and large they're utterly laughable for one simple reason...fighting is not the specific skill set those players focused on and learned. Or watch non-baseball star athletes throw out ceremonial first pitches; by and large equally as pathetic.

[hoophabit]

SJ got a DNP-CD last night in Pels win over the Jazz. Is the honeymoon over so soon?

Incidentally, Donovan Mitchell, had a bad game. He's a great player and would have been a fine pick, and I have no desire to deride him. My point is that all players have bad games. He went 8/24, 1/9 on threes, and although he had 9 assists there were also 6 TOs. I suppose my point is the next time a Pistons player has a bad night it doesn't make them a bum.

[DetroitSho]

SJ got a DNP-CD last night in Pels win over the Jazz. Is the honeymoon over so soon?

Incidentally, Donovan Mitchell, had a bad game. He's a great player and would have been a fine pick, and I have no desire to deride him. My point is that all players have bad games. He went 8/24, 1/9 on threes, and although he had 9 assists there were also 6 TOs. I suppose my point is the next time a Pistons player has a bad night it doesn't make them a bum.

Sir your logic has no place for the irrational. People who operate off pure emotion will never receive your message.

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[whitehops]

It’s an interesting topic to kick around but there’s a reason there has never been either a star running back or linebacker at 6’6” in the NFL—NFL running backs and receivers are FAR faster than NBA players.

Athletic/lean muscle mass and 6’6” in the NFL puts you in two spots, period—defensive end or tight end.

he'd have to bulk up a bit but i think tight end would be his most likely position. i don't think he'd be nearly explosive enough (even with training) to be an edge rusher.

on second thought i'm not even sure how good a tight end he'd be, i doubt he'd be able to win jump balls vs. 6' defensive backs lol.

edit: he would've had to bulk up a TON but assuming he started out young enough i think offensive tackle would've been his best spot. he's got good size/length for the position and could use his strong base/natural strength to his advantage.

[tmorgan]

Again, not now, not gonna happen, but he has some Barry legs on him. Would have been fun to see a power back try to make it at his size. Unrealistic, but fun to speculate about.

[potatoaim]

Talk about an addition by subtraction. LOL. I certainly dont miss the days of watching SJ brick wide open shot after wide open shot.

Not that Thon is any good, he's meh, but he knows his role and sticks to it. He doesnt have delusions of grandeur like Johnson did.