Should we trade Griffin to OKC now...

Kilo · Post #1 » by **Kilo** » Sat Jul 6, 2019 11:53 am

To peel this out of the off-season thread catch-all...

OKC just traded away Paul George - mostly because he asked for one and because LAC overpaid to get him because LAC was trading for Kawhi and PG13 in their minds. SGA, Gallinari, 4 unprotected FRP's and two FRP pick swaps for Paul George alone is MADNESS.

But OKC still has Westbrook and are still ultimately a win-now. They could decide to move Westbrook I guess, but let's hope they're looking to buy.

Enter OKC hometown boy Blake Griffin.

Like PG he's signed for three more seasons. His contract lines up with the win now window of the Thunder. Westbrook, Griffin, Adams is a contender in the West.

Would you trade Griffin for Shai, Gallinari, and three of the four FRP's? OKC can keep one of the FRP's and the pick swaps from the LAC deal.

OKC would end up with Blake Griffin a FRP and two FRP pick swaps for Paul George. That's still a good deal on their end.

Westbrook
Robertson
Grant
Griffin
Adams

We become*

Rose/SGA
Kennard/Brown
Gallinari/Snell
Morris/Maker/Doumbouya
Drummond

We trade Jackson's expiring for Big Man help

We add three unprotected FRP's and still have all ours.

Kilo · Post #2 » by **Kilo** » Sat Jul 6, 2019 12:02 pm

OKC could also look to Washington for Beal and I'm sure DC would be interested in getting some of that PG13 return as well. Westbrook/Beal to replace Westbrook/George would be a smooth quick fix as well.

Maybe three FRP's is too greedy. Shai and 2 FRPs (along with salary ballasts) for Blake would be enough. And then they could send Gallo and Adams and a couple of the picks and maybe one of their own for Beal.

OKC signed Muscala and Noel back, so Adams could be moved in their eyes if they got Blake at the four. Washington dumped Howard and only have a couple Ce's (one being Mahinmi).

Could OKC pull off -

Westbrook
Beal
Grant
Griffin
Noel/Muscala

Manocad · Post #3 » by **Manocad** » Sat Jul 6, 2019 12:16 pm

If OKC wanted Blake and offered a fair package for him, hell yes in a hot second I'd make that trade. I wouldn't even need to try to fleece them. As soon as the offer was in the ballpark of fair? Done.

bstein14 · Post #4 » by **bstein14** » Sat Jul 6, 2019 12:21 pm

Could pretty easily turn it into a three way, perhaps get 3 or 4 of those FIVE (4 unprotected, 1 proteted) first round picks and also

We'd likely need to take one more contract back from OKC. Only reason I would think OKC would not want to do this is because this trade also had the benefit of getting them out of luxury tax hell.

Kilo · Post #5 » by **Kilo** » Sat Jul 6, 2019 12:35 pm

I think it could be a real possibility - I agree that we could take a bad contract back. Take out Washington portion for the time being and focus on us and OKC and Gallinari and whatever else they want to include so it's salary neutral for them.

If OKC wants to still contend - how many superstars would be available to them now? And Blake is a home town kid. So it would be a easier sell to the fan base. Beal is another target now - but DC goes completely in the tank if they trade him. And he's signed through next season. Blake is signed for three more, and being a home town kid he's much more likely to opt in and then re-sign there.

Gallinari, SGA and Pat Patterson (and the picks) for Blake is a cap neutral trade for them this year.

Would we be willing to swap Jackson for Schroeder's extra year for their long term tax hell purposes? Can Reggie go back to OKC? Would we want Schroeder here? We'd have a glut with Rose, Schroeder, SGA, Frazier here.

Laimbeer · Post #6 » by **Laimbeer** » Sat Jul 6, 2019 12:45 pm

I think it's unlikely Gores changes direction, but if he does you aren't getting three or four of those FRPs for Blake.

bstein14 · Post #7 » by **bstein14** » Sat Jul 6, 2019 12:57 pm

Perhaps the move that is much more likely to be open now would be for Detroit to try and trade for Lowry. Not worth multiple first but almost certainly worth one. Toronto is in a really weird spot now after losing both Leonard and Danny Green.

buzzkilloton · Post #8 » by **buzzkilloton** » Sat Jul 6, 2019 1:31 pm

Yes we should. If not to OKC to another team. I imagine the hornets would give us a huge package for Blake. This is like the perfect time to trade Blake he had a career year that was about as healthy as we can expect, and teams are star hungry.

DetroitSho · Post #9 » by **DetroitSho** » Sat Jul 6, 2019 1:41 pm

Damn I was thinking the reverse, that we should try to trade for Westbrook. I guess I have it in my mind that we just ain't trading Blake so all I think about is adding around him. We basically need to do one or the other.

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mattao313 · Post #10 » by **mattao313** » Sat Jul 6, 2019 1:41 pm

The Eastern Conference is wide tf open. If anything we need to be trying to trade for Westbrook.

MotownMadness · Post #11 » by **MotownMadness** » Sat Jul 6, 2019 1:52 pm

mattao313 wrote:The Eastern Conference is wide tf open. If anything we need to be trying to trade for Westbrook.

Yeah thats what im thinking. Why not just add at this point while we have a player like Blake and the NBA has no superteams in the east. Im just glad that insane GS roster is broke up and the league is back to competitive where good depth and 2 stars can get it done

pistonsbball · Post #12 » by **pistonsbball** » Sat Jul 6, 2019 1:56 pm

Russ to DET, J Grant to BOS
Drummond to BOS, Reggie to OKC
Hayward to OKC

Boston gives OKC a first rounder or two. Probably other picks in there.

Post #13 » by **Snakebites** » Sat Jul 6, 2019 2:29 pm

There is a Russell to Detroit thread, so let’s keep those proposals there.

This should be a discussion of dealing Blake to OKC in this thread, let’s not mesh them together. It’ll ruin discussion flow.

I doubt this is a direction for either franchise. I’d love to deal Blake for even parts of that package OKC just got for George, but I don’t see us changing course like that, and I don’t think OKC is looking to do anything but rebuild right now. Look for Westbrook and Adams to be on the move now.

thesack12 · Post #14 » by **thesack12** » Sat Jul 6, 2019 2:55 pm

I'd love to see Blake get sent home for a piece of that PG-13 package.

Unfortunately, unless Blake flat out asks to be sent there it isn't going to happen.

DBC10 · Post #15 » by **DBC10** » Sat Jul 6, 2019 3:04 pm

thesack12 wrote:I'd love to see Blake get sent home for a piece of that PG-13 package.

Unfortunately, unless Blake flat out asks to be sent there it isn't going to happen.

Yep, unprotected 1st rounders will always have value, because injuries and the NBA as a whole are almost unpredictable.

CubicalLake7 · Post #16 » by **CubicalLake7** » Sat Jul 6, 2019 5:12 pm

I'd do Blake

For

Gallinari, Shai and Jeremi Grant, and a 1st 2020

Start Kieff at 4.

Reggie is now completely expendable. Move him now or at deadline.

Gallinari, Galloway corpse of Josh Smith and Thon all expire. Dre opts out in 2020.

Build around Shai, Kennard, Sekou, Svi, Thomas, Brown

coordinator0 · Post #17 » by **coordinator0** » Sat Jul 6, 2019 6:56 pm

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/27133948/sources-westbrook-talking-next-steps-okc

The Thunder could conceivably rework the roster to try to remain competitive around Westbrook and Steven Adams, though that scenario is unlikely. Operating well over the salary cap with a projected salary tax payment of $43 million with the existing roster, the Thunder were in cost-cutting mode before George's trade and will only accelerate on that front now.

Doesn't look like Oklahoma City is interested in trying to re-tool.

DetroitDon15 · Post #18 » by **DetroitDon15** » Sat Jul 6, 2019 9:08 pm

Snakebites wrote:There is a Russell to Detroit thread, so let’s keep those proposals there.

This should be a discussion of dealing Blake to OKC in this thread, let’s not mesh them together. It’ll ruin discussion flow.

I doubt this is a direction for either franchise. I’d love to deal Blake for even parts of that package OKC just got for George, but I don’t see us changing course like that, and I don’t think OKC is looking to do anything but rebuild right now. Look for Westbrook and Adams to be on the move now.

I agree with you but remember that OKC is in super luxury territory. I’d be surprised if Westbrook isn’t traded. They need to get away from being a luxury paying team with no shot at a title (or playoffs if we are being honest). I also could see Gallo a buyout/stretch provision before the window closes.

ElectricMayhem · Post #19 » by **ElectricMayhem** » Sat Jul 6, 2019 11:47 pm

True or false: We cannot receive either Gallo or SGA packaged with someone else because of the trade rules.

I seem to remember something like this being the rule...

Post #20 » by **Snakebites** » Sat Jul 6, 2019 11:52 pm

ElectricMayhem wrote:True or false: We cannot receive either Gallo or SGA packaged with someone else because of the trade rules.

I seem to remember something like this being the rule...

60 days. After 60 days players can be packaged again.

The only chance here is that the Thunder find they can’t get a desirable package for Russ so they decide to double down. It’s very unlikely though.