Snakebites wrote: DetroitPistons wrote:
Snakebites wrote:I don’t see any top 10-15 players in the deal.
Henry Ellenson. Yeah, okay.
Just curious. What do you personally think Griffin is actually worth? We gave up a lot more to get him and his value is significantly higher now. I see no reason why 2 FRPs wouldn't be the minimum we could get. I would be asking for 2 FRPs and a good young player. He is the type of player that can vault a team like DEN or POR into championship contention.
I thought that trade was a massive overpay at the time. He’s a good player but his injury history and massive salary cut into that value a ton. And one healthy year capped by injury doesn’t negate those things either. What we gave up for him doesn’t necessarily reflect what his value actually was then. The Clippers were likely thrilled to get out from under that contract and the picks and players they got in addition were icing on the cake.
Then you’ve gotta look at how the teams have done since then, ignoring for now the moves each team has made and just trying to gage Blake’s impact. The Clippers, it should be noted, didn’t get worse after moving him, and we went from barely missing the playoffs to barely making them, not really fundamentally better or worse. Numbers don’t always equal impact. You call him a top 10-15 player and while his volume stats look that way his actual W/L impact doesn’t paint that picture on either side of this trade.
So yeah, I don’t think what we gave up for him is a good bench mark for what we should expect in a trade and I’d also suggest that his value increase has probably been overstated too. That end of the year injury coupled with his injury history might scare teams off, especially coupled with that salary.
How much is he worth? Hard to say as value isn’t a hard fast thing in this league. To us he clearly wasn’t worth what we payed since the impact wasn’t there and you’ve got all those factors cutting into the value he brings as a player. I’d be thrilled to shed the salary and got a pick like that to help the rebuild.
You’re welcome to disagree with any or all of that, but at least now you’ll get where I’m coming from. I don’t think he was worth what we traded for him and I’m not sure how greatly his value has increased.
That's weird, You watch our games, you know how good Blake is, you even stated several times here, that at the time you didn't like the trade, but later you changed your opinion, I guess you changed your opinion again
Yes our record didn't improve a lot, well, we changed coach, we changed system, players got injured, a lot of things happened. When Blake was healthy we were in a solid position to secure the 6th seed in the east. He got injured, we got the 8th seed, thanks to him. Yes I understand that his injury reduces his value but his usage was insane, so it's no surprise that his body couldn't take it anymore at the end of the season.
As for the Clippers, a lot of things happened as well. Gallo was health the whole season, some guys improved a lot (Harrell for example) and they have a solid coach and system for several years now, which make easier for the team to be consistent and even improve.
IMO Blake was easily a top 15 player last season, I would even argue he was top 10 and like I said, you watched him play, you kknow how good he is, I think you're using the wrong argument to make him a failure as a player. He is good, the team around him is awful.
We have no idea what teams would offer for him (all we know is we're not trading him), the closest thing we have to know his value, is what was paid for him the last time he was traded. A lotto pick in a strong draft, a borderline all star young player on a great contract, a useful expiring in Avery Bradley, a bad contract (not terrible) and a 2nd to pay for the bad contract.
The package the Phoenix fan posted wouldn't even get the lotto pick we gave up, and Tobias was the most valuable piece of the deal so yeah...
And I agree with DetroitPistons, Blake value very likely is higher than it was when we traded for him. Not only because what he has done on the court, but because of his durability last season, the way his game evolved according to the team needs and because he has proven he is a good leader and can lead a disfunctional team.