Wait for 2021 or swing for the fences?

[El Chivo]

I'd like to know what school of thought prevails on the board.

Should Pistons stay the course and keep making lateral moves waiting for 2021 to go big or should they go all-in, whatever it takes?

[Kilo]

What are we waiting for in 2021? Do we have a secret agreement with Giannis to sign here as a UFA or something?

[Kilo]

Needs to be a third option - trade Blake. Standing pat makes the least sense.

If Westbrook goes to Miami we're fighting for the 8th seed at best with Milwaukee, Philly, Indiana, Toronto, Brooklyn, Miami and Boston locked in 1 through 7. Come the off-season if Reggie, Galloway walk and we don't do anything stupid to re-sign them then we still have only the MLE to spend in free agency.

If Dre opts out is part of this 2021 plan to re-sign him or let him walk? Are we giving him $170M over five?

[El Chivo]

Needs to be a third option - trade Blake. Standing pat makes the least sense.

They're not rebuilding.

I'd be all-in for a rebuilding, but they're not considering it as an option.

[rmfc]

What's supposed to happen in 2021? Am I missing something?

[El Chivo]

In 2021 we'll have an almost clean cap.

[Canadafan]

I'd like to know what school of thought prevails on the board.

Should Pistons stay the course and keep making lateral moves waiting for 2021 to go big or should they go all-in, whatever it takes?

How bout an option to trade for WB but not lose Luke and Sekou. Just expirings and maybe a pick is all that's needed

[A_dub06]

We don’t know what the team is planning for the clean slate, but I definitely see that as a likely rebuild sDrummond will probably opt out, and who really knows if Blake wants to stay here. If they both leave, I think rebuilding will seem likely as there won’t be any big names with us to make us seem constantly trying to re-tool is really a viable option.

[DetroitSho]

We don’t know what the team is planning for the clean slate, but I definitely see that as a likely rebuild sDrummond will probably opt out, and who really knows if Blake wants to stay here. If they both leave, I think rebuilding will seem likely as there won’t be any big names with us to make us seem constantly trying to re-tool is really a viable option.

So what do people really think is the plan? Spend the next 2 years chasing the 7th and 8th seed and then start tanking afterwards? That's dumb af. If that's really what was going to happen they would just do it now. But it's not.

You might as well be bold with and give a 2 year shot with Westbrook (or Conley previously). Because in 2 years both Drummond and Blake's salary could be off the books. So having Westbrook, Sekou (and/or Kennard) and $60 million in cap space in 2021 won't stop the ability to rebuild. They can still take bad contracts for draft picks. Since Westbrook's athleticism or lack thereof in 2 years will inevitably keep him from being a difference maker at 33 (as per Pistons RealGM) having him on the roster with a bunch of scrubs we traded for to gather picks won't keep us from the lottery, so we'll have our own lottery picks with the ability to add others'. So as long as we're not mortgaging the future I don't see how going the Westbrook route hinders whatever tf 2021 is supposed to be.

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[Manocad]

There is no all in move, literally none no matter how many assets/picks are offered up, that will win this team a championship. Not Westbrook, not anyone who is available. With Westbrook you’d have to have Blake and Dre, meaning the team would have almost nothing else. Swap out Blake for Westbrook? Clearly not good enough. Not to mention that Westbrook has four years left on his contract so he’s not exactly a “If he doesn’t pan out well here after a season, no biggie” kind of option.

As has been said before ad nauseam, this team put itself into a hole that there is no quick fix for, period. So you either hope they clear everything out (ie the current veterans) and try again in a couple of years, or go for what you hope will be “more entertaining” basketball now knowing there will not be a championship until after everyone is cleared out.

I see it as basically starting over in 1-2 years vs 3-4.

[MotownMadness]

We don’t know what the team is planning for the clean slate, but I definitely see that as a likely rebuild sDrummond will probably opt out, and who really knows if Blake wants to stay here. If they both leave, I think rebuilding will seem likely as there won’t be any big names with us to make us seem constantly trying to re-tool is really a viable option.

That is alot of money to have to spend though. You guys are aware your not allowed to just not spend your capspace, correct?

[MotownMadness]

Only thing im scared of is were just gonna draft enough assets to trade them for a star again anyways. Cause you cant just look at the Clippers in Hollywood and say i want to draft a bunch of depth then sign a star.

Rebuilds here are we trade for players who usually come cheap cause they are in a down year and we rebuild them. Need to draft right as well

[DetroitSho]

There is no all in move, literally none no matter how many assets/picks are offered up, that will win this team a championship. Not Westbrook, not anyone who is available. With Westbrook you’d have to have Blake and Dre, meaning the team would have almost nothing else. Swap out Blake for Westbrook? Clearly not good enough. Not to mention that Westbrook has four years left on his contract so he’s not exactly a “If he doesn’t pan out well here after a season, no biggie” kind of option.

As has been said before ad nauseam, this team put itself into a hole that there is no quick fix for, period. So you either hope they clear everything out (ie the current veterans) and try again in a couple of years, or go for what you hope will be “more entertaining” basketball now knowing there will not be a championship until after everyone is cleared out.

I see it as basically starting over in 1-2 years vs 3-4.

If Drummond expires in 2 years and Blake opts out in 2 years, how does a move for Westbrook prevent the "start over in 2 years" concept? You think it's realistic to only have 2 rookie contracts on the books and over $100 million in capspace in an offseason? If you think that's the plan, and if that IS the plan then that'd be downright unprecedented and I'd be for that just outta morbid curiosity.


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[Pharaoh]

There is no all in move, literally none no matter how many assets/picks are offered up, that will win this team a championship. Not Westbrook, not anyone who is available. With Westbrook you’d have to have Blake and Dre, meaning the team would have almost nothing else. Swap out Blake for Westbrook? Clearly not good enough. Not to mention that Westbrook has four years left on his contract so he’s not exactly a “If he doesn’t pan out well here after a season, no biggie” kind of option.

As has been said before ad nauseam, this team put itself into a hole that there is no quick fix for, period. So you either hope they clear everything out (ie the current veterans) and try again in a couple of years, or go for what you hope will be “more entertaining” basketball now knowing there will not be a championship until after everyone is cleared out.

I see it as basically starting over in 1-2 years vs 3-4.

THIS

The questions I have are:

Note: when I say we I mean the organisation!

Assuming we let RJ & Galloway walk this coming off-season do we sign anyone to a longer deal (2, 3 or 4 years) or just bring in 1 year rentals with the MLE?

Assuming Dre opts out do we let him walk for nothing? Do we sign and trade him for 1 year rentals and picks?

Will we keep a clean cap sheet? Won't Blake want out if that's the case? What would we get for him in that scenario?

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[DetroitSho]

There is no all in move, literally none no matter how many assets/picks are offered up, that will win this team a championship. Not Westbrook, not anyone who is available. With Westbrook you’d have to have Blake and Dre, meaning the team would have almost nothing else. Swap out Blake for Westbrook? Clearly not good enough. Not to mention that Westbrook has four years left on his contract so he’s not exactly a “If he doesn’t pan out well here after a season, no biggie” kind of option.

As has been said before ad nauseam, this team put itself into a hole that there is no quick fix for, period. So you either hope they clear everything out (ie the current veterans) and try again in a couple of years, or go for what you hope will be “more entertaining” basketball now knowing there will not be a championship until after everyone is cleared out.

I see it as basically starting over in 1-2 years vs 3-4.

THIS

The questions I have are:

Note: when I say we I mean the organisation!

Assuming we let RJ & Galloway walk this coming off-season do we sign anyone to a longer deal (2, 3 or 4 years) or just bring in 1 year rentals with the MLE?

Assuming Dre opts out do we let him walk for nothing? Do we sign and trade him for 1 year rentals and picks?

Will we keep a clean cap sheet? Won't Blake want out if that's the case? What would we get for him in that scenario?

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Which goes with my post above yours. If that's the route we're going to take, just bring in guys to shoot for a 2021 reset, there's absolutely no point in prolonging it. They absolutely need to trade Blake now if that's the thinking. But I don't think it is.

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[DBC10]

There is no all in move, literally none no matter how many assets/picks are offered up, that will win this team a championship. Not Westbrook, not anyone who is available. With Westbrook you’d have to have Blake and Dre, meaning the team would have almost nothing else. Swap out Blake for Westbrook? Clearly not good enough. Not to mention that Westbrook has four years left on his contract so he’s not exactly a “If he doesn’t pan out well here after a season, no biggie” kind of option.

As has been said before ad nauseam, this team put itself into a hole that there is no quick fix for, period. So you either hope they clear everything out (ie the current veterans) and try again in a couple of years, or go for what you hope will be “more entertaining” basketball now knowing there will not be a championship until after everyone is cleared out.

I see it as basically starting over in 1-2 years vs 3-4.

It's been speculated that WB actually doesn't have positive value since his contract is such an albatross starting next year. A guy shooting that historically bad making 42+ million is the same realm of silliness as John Wall's contract that some fans here wanted. All in all, I'm sure if Presti would find a way to continue building through such a transcendent talent in Russ, he would've but he's not. That's a red flag. He's likely giddy with joy that we and the Heat shown some interest trading for him.

Our team will be filled with just vet min guys every year going forward if we do trade for WB. Assuming we do have to give up Sek or kennard. The vet min market looks bleak right now.

[kellmellus50]

Westbrooks a 30 yr old bum No Deal !!!!!

[Pharaoh]

There is no all in move, literally none no matter how many assets/picks are offered up, that will win this team a championship. Not Westbrook, not anyone who is available. With Westbrook you’d have to have Blake and Dre, meaning the team would have almost nothing else. Swap out Blake for Westbrook? Clearly not good enough. Not to mention that Westbrook has four years left on his contract so he’s not exactly a “If he doesn’t pan out well here after a season, no biggie” kind of option.

As has been said before ad nauseam, this team put itself into a hole that there is no quick fix for, period. So you either hope they clear everything out (ie the current veterans) and try again in a couple of years, or go for what you hope will be “more entertaining” basketball now knowing there will not be a championship until after everyone is cleared out.

I see it as basically starting over in 1-2 years vs 3-4.

THIS

The questions I have are:

Note: when I say we I mean the organisation!

Assuming we let RJ & Galloway walk this coming off-season do we sign anyone to a longer deal (2, 3 or 4 years) or just bring in 1 year rentals with the MLE?

Assuming Dre opts out do we let him walk for nothing? Do we sign and trade him for 1 year rentals and picks?

Will we keep a clean cap sheet? Won't Blake want out if that's the case? What would we get for him in that scenario?

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Which goes with my post above yours. If that's the route we're going to take, just bring in guys to shoot for a 2021 reset, there's absolutely no point in prolonging it. They absolutely need to trade Blake now if that's the thinking. But I don't think it is.

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Given Gores' history I don't think he's going to allow a complete rebuild through the Draft or trades or free agency.

Wouldn't be surprised if he's pushing for Westbrook given he apparently refused to trade Dre when SVG was here and surely signed off on the Griffin deal.

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[vic]

Going All in for a team that can't win a championship is the definition of what stupid teams do.
Team that are stupid also tend to be the teams that don't have a culture that can make players fit better and play together better than their previous teams.

Which comes first?
I'd rather develop a culture of proven improvement, square pegs in square holes, round pegs in round holes, player playing their roles, young players improving, etc.
Throwing money at big names when your culture hasn't been proven is just dumb.

Miami has a proven overacheiving culture of player fit and improvement.
Clippers do to, that why they got PG and Kawhi.
Toronto does too, that's why they just won a championship.

The Pistons haven't proven that they can do anything except trade the future for big names that are past their prime.
-Allen Iverson all over again.
-Tracy McGrady farewell tour.
-Chris Webber farewell tour.
-Blake Griffin (great player, but done by the time the playoffs started, just as expected).
-Derrick Rose shell of his former self
-Now lets get excited about RWB after his athleticism deteriorates, and all the MVP level players have learned he's not worth playing with. With an albatross contract.

dumb dumb dumb. why do it?

[ComboGuardCity]

Going All in for a team that can't win a championship is the definition of what stupid teams do.
Team that are stupid also tend to be the teams that don't have a culture that can make players fit better and play together better than their previous teams.

Which comes first?
I'd rather develop a culture of proven improvement, square pegs in square holes, round pegs in round holes, player playing their roles, young players improving, etc.
Throwing money at big names when your culture hasn't been proven is just dumb.

Miami has a proven overacheiving culture of player fit and improvement.
Clippers do to, that why they got PG and Kawhi.
Toronto does too, that's why they just won a championship.

The Pistons haven't proven that they can do anything except trade the future for big names that are past their prime.
-Allen Iverson all over again.
-Tracy McGrady farewell tour.
-Chris Webber farewell tour.
-Blake Griffin (great player, but done by the time the playoffs started, just as expected).
-Derrick Rose shell of his former self
-Now lets get excited about RWB after his athleticism deteriorates, and all the MVP level players have learned he's not worth playing with. With an albatross contract.

dumb dumb dumb. why do it?

1. AI was 95% cap space with a 5% hope of staying competitive. It’s what we did with the cap space the next year that killed us.
2. Tmac got like the minimum
3. Blake had no supporting cast so his back hurt carrying our lotto team...and still an All NBA player.
4. Cweb was a role player. No problems with that signing.
5. Rose is on the MLE
6. Russell Westbrook averaged a triple double last season and is an all star. There is no disputing that. He has not shown signs of slowing down. Yes, his shot selection has been awful. Yes he’s a hypocrite. Yes he’s a stat padder. But if you told me 2 years ago, Russell was trying to come here to team up with Blake over the next 5? Sign me up.