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If we could get him for expirings of RJ+Galloway+the two year contract of Snell and likely our 2020 1st rounder would you pull the trigger

For that package yes

Yeah in a heartbeat

Nope. Considering how much he relies on his athleticism to be effective, that contract has Miguel Cabrera written all over it.

And that package won’t get it done anyway.

I’d be willing to go a little further than that. 2020 1st and a future first that is lotto protected for several years. If Luke and/or Sekou are in the deal, it’s hard to stomach simply because it will be so hard to build the roster out with Blake and Russ making so much.

Bknight4three wrote:I’d be willing to go a little further than that. 2020 1st and a future first that is lotto protected for several years. If Luke and/or Sekou are in the deal, it’s hard to stomach simply because it will be so hard to build the roster out with Blake and Russ making so much.

You're telling me that people don't want to see the Troy Daniels/Jared Dudleys of the world being our starters or playing significant minutes? That's likely the options we'd have with the Clippers/Nets/Lakers/GSW each year taking their first share of the lot. That's not even counting how well DEN, Utah, and HOU do this year too. There's too many options in the West to ring chase while there'd be sparse options for us.

Manocad wrote:Nope. Considering how much he relies on his athleticism to be effective, that contract has Miguel Cabrera written all over it.

And that package won’t get it done anyway.

This. Why morgage the future for someone who is in the decline and expensive as it gets. Hasn’t he had some decent knee work done recently too? Doesn’t go hand in hand for his prime explosion game he uses. Zach Lowe considers him the 2nd worse contract in the league. Dude had an awful playoffs, has a horrible shot selection and doesn’t have any range but doesn’t realize it. They would have to send a juicy first round pick or two out direction to even consider it.

DBC10 wrote:

Bknight4three wrote:I’d be willing to go a little further than that. 2020 1st and a future first that is lotto protected for several years. If Luke and/or Sekou are in the deal, it’s hard to stomach simply because it will be so hard to build the roster out with Blake and Russ making so much.

You're telling me that people don't want to see the Troy Daniels/Jared Dudleys of the world being our starters or playing significant minutes? That's likely the options we'd have with the Clippers/Nets/Lakers/GSW each year taking their first share of the lot. That's not even counting how well DEN, Utah, and HOU do this year too. There's too many options in the West to ring chase while there'd be sparse options for us.

Yeah, it would be tough. But if we still have Kennard, Sekou, Brown, etc. we at least have a chance to get better through internal development.

I don’t get why Westbrook is the “2nd worst contract isn’t he league.” That’s the crap I read about Blake following the trade. Westbrook is still really good at basketball. Wiggins makes 33M in 2022-23 and has never impacted winning in any way. Kevin Love makes almost 30 AAV and hasn’t been healthy for the past 3 seasons.

Westbrook has been as healthy as basically any star player over the past decade. He’s a legit max player who is overpaid on a super max contract.

Nope. No first rounder and maybe.

I think that Westbrook fits worse than Reggie Jackson if thats not too crazy.

Westbrook cant shoot. At all.

Westbrook needs 4 good shooters. Drummond? And our SG and SF still haven’t proven to be reliable, volume shooters.

Looks like a horrible fit. Contract is bad now. Contract will be very bad in 3-4 years.

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No.

But I'd trade that package and another FRP for DLo.

ComboGuardCity wrote:Yeah in a heartbeat

Yes, please!

At that price, easy yes.

No. We’ve been shown the way to build your team up and this isn’t it. Get flexibility, and use that flexibility to obtain assets.

That is my price, anything more and I'd walk away.

Snakebites wrote:No. We’ve been shown the way to build your team up and this isn’t it. Get flexibility, and use that flexibility to obtain assets.

Shown by whom?

1. Warriors drafted well outside of the top 5, had the best team ever and then landed Durant.
2. Raptors drafted Derozan, hit on late lotto picks, traded for Lowry, then traded Derozan and a prospect for KL.
3. 76ers tanked for 5 years and ended up with blue chip prospects and their cap space for them went to JJ Redick.
4. Houston used their cap space on CP3 and Capela. The good part of their org was low salary signings + getting a blossoming Harden.
5. Blazers drafted Lillard and CJ.
6. Denver and Utah is all homegrown

The “blueprint” is to either draft really well or draft really well and give up those assets for stars. Flexibility doesn’t win championships.

I put yes, but in all honesty we stand no chance. Russ wants MIA and Pat wants Russ. OKC will trade him to MIA because that’s what he wants. I mean they traded PG to where he wanted to go. They got a LOT back in return but I’m sure other teams would have offered up a huge haul like that as well for PG.

ComboGuardCity wrote:

Snakebites wrote:No. We’ve been shown the way to build your team up and this isn’t it. Get flexibility, and use that flexibility to obtain assets.

Shown by whom?

1. Warriors drafted well outside of the top 5, had the best team ever and then landed Durant.
2. Raptors drafted Derozan, hit on late lotto picks, traded for Lowry, then traded Derozan and a prospect for KL.
3. 76ers tanked for 5 years and ended up with blue chip prospects and their cap space for them went to JJ Redick.
4. Houston used their cap space on CP3 and Capela. The good part of their org was low salary signings + getting a blossoming Harden.
5. Blazers drafted Lillard and CJ.
6. Denver and Utah is all homegrown

The “blueprint” is to either draft really well or draft really well and give up those assets for stars. Flexibility doesn’t win championships.

I’m done explaining.

Snakebites wrote:No. We’ve been shown the way to build your team up and this isn’t it. Get flexibility, and use that flexibility to obtain assets.

I said no on this deal only because no way would OKC accept. They need to get below the luxury. They’d have to stretch Reggie to do so with this deal.

In regards to flexibility, Detroit will never be a player for guys like Kawhi, George and other superstars. They will never be willing to come here. I’m just being honest. Trades are the only way to add them. Having cap space means nothing. Just ask the Knicks how it worked out.