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So many trade ideas are being brought up in the media.

Portland being one of the many that keep coming up.

Any trade with Portland would have to include collins and Anfernee the young pg.

Thinking of the future and picks and positions.

Anfernee Simmons PG
Luke Kennard SG
Snell
Collins, Sekou Doumboya
Dre, Collins
...
Still need depth and a SF and help.
Although Dre seems a better fit finacially to bring back Hassan/Collins/Anfernee and picks.

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If we trade them, I don't JUST want draft picks. I want young players with potential that can also fill a need. PG, SF, C. I'll take my chances on small forwards and pf's in the draft.

It sounds crazy, but POR really is high on Anfernee. He might actually be untouchable for them since he's still on his rookie contract and can produce at a really high level already. They view him as the piece that can replace both Lillard and CJ or just outright replace CJ if they don't like the pairing they have currently in their backcourt.

More I think about it, I think we won't be able to get Anfernee unless they get really desperate and Blake raises his value up a bit. I can see them calling up CLE instead of us for Kevin Love who's currently just rotting away in Ohio.

Yeah as long as i get Simons back from Portland im happy. But they seem so high on him that it won't happen.

And without him im not sure they have much of anything else i want. Collins is alright but thats not the type of centerpiece im after

What about trading for the Denver Nuggets young prospects? Porter Jr, Malik Beasley, Monte Morris...add cap filler and maybe a 1st to Detroit...and you've got a rebuild going

My nba2k roster

Out: drummond griffin reggie galloway maker morris svi Thomas (although i think he will become the new dinwiddie) and 2 picks

In: draymond ingram robert Williams and lonzo
2nd pick tillman FA Valentine

Williams Wood some 3rd string Center
Green Tillman Sekou
Ingram Snell
Kennard Brown Valentine
Ball Rose Bone

Drummond maker reggie svi pick for draymond and russell
Griffin Thomas for whiteside collins and filler
Morris and protected pick for Williams
Russell collins for ball and ingram

Such a funny Team..i like dreaming

Williams new defense Monster
Draymond Veteran leader
Ingram next durant
Kennard next redick
Ball j.kidd


I Love nba2k hahaha

Blake, Thomas and Svi to Portland for Whiteside (expiring), Collins and Little since Simons seems off limits.

Or

Blake, Thomas & Svi to Denver for Millsap (expiring), MPJ & Morris.

In both scenarios we gain cap flexibility and 2 young prospects.

Trading Dre? I'm actually inclined to keep him (2 + 1 deal) and just get higher ceiling, young talent around him for the next 3 years.

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Blake, Reggie, Galloway to Denver for Milsap, Harris, Morris and 2020 top 7 protected 1st.

Drummond to Dallas for Thj, Justin Jackson ,2020 top 10 protected 1st.

I think in any trade, we need a rookie deal starter that has some star potential. Colby White from the bulls. Some star potential but not set in stone.

Why in the world would any team give up value for Griffin or Drummond?

Pistons888 wrote:Why in the world would any team give up value for Griffin or Drummond?

As an outsider, I remember when my team had Millsap and Horford. Two players I clearly rated higher than Griffin and Drummond at their state. Teams didn't really offer much for them. No really good young guys. Not quality picks. Just a mid to late 1st and cap relief. I think you guys would be sadden if you likely seen the offers you would get for Drummond or Griffin

My guess would be a mid 1st and cap relief for Drummond and just cap relief for Griffin. Even Griffin in a trade last year where he was looking like an All Star wasn't getting much more than a late 1st due to his contract. Even then, this could be a reach

King Ken wrote:

Pistons888 wrote:Why in the world would any team give up value for Griffin or Drummond?

As an outsider, I remember when my team had Millsap and Horford. Two players I clearly rated higher than Griffin and Drummond at their state. Teams didn't really offer much for them. No really good young guys. Not quality picks. Just a mid to late 1st and cap relief. I think you guys would be sadden if you likely seen the offers you would get for Drummond or Griffin

My guess would be a mid 1st and cap relief for Drummond and just cap relief for Griffin. Even Griffin in a trade last year where he was looking like an All Star wasn't getting much more than a late 1st due to his contract. Even then, this could be a reach

Yes and from what I remember those guys were healthy. Griffin is clearly not and who knows what level he can even reach health wise and athletically again. If we are able to get cap relief I would be surprised at this point. It’s only been a few games but damn is it looking rough.

We likely aren't going to get cap relief AND multiple high quality assets for griffin or Dre. We really should be willing to take on some combo of equally bad contracts and concentrate on maximizing assets. It's fine if you have cap slugs on the roster while tanking. It's a multi-year process anyway and the priority needs to be on stockpiling picks and decent young players to go along with your own high draft picks. Then 3-4 years from now, those bad contacts come off the books and you have a nice core and cap space at the same time.

Pistons888 wrote:

King Ken wrote:

Pistons888 wrote:Why in the world would any team give up value for Griffin or Drummond?

As an outsider, I remember when my team had Millsap and Horford. Two players I clearly rated higher than Griffin and Drummond at their state. Teams didn't really offer much for them. No really good young guys. Not quality picks. Just a mid to late 1st and cap relief. I think you guys would be sadden if you likely seen the offers you would get for Drummond or Griffin

My guess would be a mid 1st and cap relief for Drummond and just cap relief for Griffin. Even Griffin in a trade last year where he was looking like an All Star wasn't getting much more than a late 1st due to his contract. Even then, this could be a reach

Yes and from what I remember those guys were healthy. Griffin is clearly not and who knows what level he can even reach health wise and athletically again. If we are able to get cap relief I would be surprised at this point. It’s only been a few games but damn is it looking rough.

When it comes to teams and trades for stars and superstars, they are be willing to trade quality assets. But when you got one of those end of the bench all stars or borderline star vets, they become real tight and they want to offer much at all.

I remember wanting to get a top 5 pick for Horford or Sap. Teams with top 10 picks scoffed at it and teams with young assets did as well. Those guys were clear bench all stars and players who helped you win but in terms of trade value, they weren't worth that much. It really frustrates you how little these types of guys are worth when it's actually time to move them. For Griffin with his contract and injury history, if you can get just cap relief, its a coup.

King Ken wrote:

Pistons888 wrote:

King Ken wrote:As an outsider, I remember when my team had Millsap and Horford. Two players I clearly rated higher than Griffin and Drummond at their state. Teams didn't really offer much for them. No really good young guys. Not quality picks. Just a mid to late 1st and cap relief. I think you guys would be sadden if you likely seen the offers you would get for Drummond or Griffin

My guess would be a mid 1st and cap relief for Drummond and just cap relief for Griffin. Even Griffin in a trade last year where he was looking like an All Star wasn't getting much more than a late 1st due to his contract. Even then, this could be a reach

Yes and from what I remember those guys were healthy. Griffin is clearly not and who knows what level he can even reach health wise and athletically again. If we are able to get cap relief I would be surprised at this point. It’s only been a few games but damn is it looking rough.

When it comes to teams and trades for stars and superstars, they are be willing to trade quality assets. But when you got one of those end of the bench all stars or borderline star vets, they become real tight and they want to offer much at all.

I remember wanting to get a top 5 pick for Horford or Sap. Teams with top 10 picks scoffed at it and teams with young assets did as well. Those guys were clear bench all stars and players who helped you win but in terms of trade value, they weren't worth that much. It really frustrates you how little these types of guys are worth when it's actually time to move them. For Griffin with his contract and injury history, if you can get just cap relief, its a coup.

Definitely. When it’s your team it’s a tough pill to swallow when you realize “my teams best players aren’t worth much to other teams”. People on here and the fan base in general may not like it but it is most likely the sad reality.

As a fan, what you have to look at first is who are the teams that need either Griffin or Drummond

Once you do that, can they make salaries match?

After that, what's the state of the franchise and what's their salary cap looking like? Teams that are rebuilding aren't trading prime assets (1sts in general, young players, etc). Teams who are contending aren't trading their young assets or salaried players who can help them win as much as what they are trading for. Teams usually fighting for a shot tend to be the ones who are willing to trade the most if they feel that player can help them. Usually in a 1st round pick. Rarely do teams want to trade young assets unless the player in return is significant.

That's usually how you find your trade partner.

What if you don't have a trade partner with a reasonable package? That's what happens most of the time. You just run the risk of losing that player for nothing or bite the bullet and take less than what you wanted for that player.

Do I think Detroit can find a trade partner? Yes I do. But it might be difficult to get a 1st for Drummond or not give to trade value for Griffin to leave.

Drummond could have suitors like Dallas, Sacramento, and Charlotte. I could see Dallas giving up the most value as in a 1st round pick for Drummond with Hardaway Jr. Going to Detroit. Sacramento likely isn't open to trading a 1st at this time as well as Charlotte. My guess is those two teams will just stick to their rebuilding plans at this stage. So Dallas is likely your best suitor for Drummond.

For Griffin, everyone knows the Blazers make sense but you aren't getting any assets for him. Just cap relief. Minnesota and Miami might show interest as well but they lack cap relief that they would be willing to move much less the salary needed to make it work.

King Ken wrote:As a fan, what you have to look at first is who are the teams that need either Griffin or Drummond

Once you do that, can they make salaries match?

After that, what's the state of the franchise and what's their salary cap looking like? Teams that are rebuilding aren't trading prime assets (1sts in general, young players, etc). Teams who are contending aren't trading their young assets or salaried players who can help them win as much as what they are trading for. Teams usually fighting for a shot tend to be the ones who are willing to trade the most if they feel that player can help them. Usually in a 1st round pick. Rarely do teams want to trade young assets unless the player in return is significant.

That's usually how you find your trade partner.

What if you don't have a trade partner with a reasonable package? That's what happens most of the time. You just run the risk of losing that player for nothing or bite the bullet and take less than what you wanted for that player.

Do I think Detroit can find a trade partner? Yes I do. But it might be difficult to get a 1st for Drummond or not give to trade value for Griffin to leave.

Drummond could have suitors like Dallas, Sacramento, and Charlotte. I could see Dallas giving up the most value as in a 1st round pick for Drummond with Hardaway Jr. Going to Detroit. Sacramento likely isn't open to trading a 1st at this time as well as Charlotte. My guess is those two teams will just stick to their rebuilding plans at this stage. So Dallas is likely your best suitor for Drummond.

For Griffin, everyone knows the Blazers make sense but you aren't getting any assets for him. Just cap relief. Minnesota and Miami might show interest as well but they lack cap relief that they would be willing to move much less the salary needed to make it work.

The first half of your post is good, the second is laughable.

People are so short-sighted sometimes, Blake is having a bad, slow stretch to start his year now he isn't worth anything but expiring contracts. Yawn, give it a few weeks and those same people probably agree he is worth prospects and picks again. Blake is too good of a player to not be useful to a contender at 30 years old.

Moses ShamMoses wrote:People are so short-sighted sometimes, Blake is having a bad, slow stretch to start his year now he isn't worth anything but expiring contracts. Yawn, give it a few weeks and those same people probably agree he is worth prospects and picks again. Blake is too good of a player to not be useful to a contender at 30 years old.

Problem is, Blake's health is always under the microscope and pretty sure there's few teams that actually trust it at this point. He's likely to never play a full season ever again here on out without load management. That's a pretty big red flag.

The best time to sell was last season but even then looks like no one really asked considering nothing really leaked out.

vege wrote:

King Ken wrote:As a fan, what you have to look at first is who are the teams that need either Griffin or Drummond

Once you do that, can they make salaries match?

After that, what's the state of the franchise and what's their salary cap looking like? Teams that are rebuilding aren't trading prime assets (1sts in general, young players, etc). Teams who are contending aren't trading their young assets or salaried players who can help them win as much as what they are trading for. Teams usually fighting for a shot tend to be the ones who are willing to trade the most if they feel that player can help them. Usually in a 1st round pick. Rarely do teams want to trade young assets unless the player in return is significant.

That's usually how you find your trade partner.

What if you don't have a trade partner with a reasonable package? That's what happens most of the time. You just run the risk of losing that player for nothing or bite the bullet and take less than what you wanted for that player.

Do I think Detroit can find a trade partner? Yes I do. But it might be difficult to get a 1st for Drummond or not give to trade value for Griffin to leave.

Drummond could have suitors like Dallas, Sacramento, and Charlotte. I could see Dallas giving up the most value as in a 1st round pick for Drummond with Hardaway Jr. Going to Detroit. Sacramento likely isn't open to trading a 1st at this time as well as Charlotte. My guess is those two teams will just stick to their rebuilding plans at this stage. So Dallas is likely your best suitor for Drummond.

For Griffin, everyone knows the Blazers make sense but you aren't getting any assets for him. Just cap relief. Minnesota and Miami might show interest as well but they lack cap relief that they would be willing to move much less the salary needed to make it work.

The first half of your post is good, the second is laughable.

Why?

Jstock12 wrote:

vege wrote:

King Ken wrote:As a fan, what you have to look at first is who are the teams that need either Griffin or Drummond

Once you do that, can they make salaries match?

After that, what's the state of the franchise and what's their salary cap looking like? Teams that are rebuilding aren't trading prime assets (1sts in general, young players, etc). Teams who are contending aren't trading their young assets or salaried players who can help them win as much as what they are trading for. Teams usually fighting for a shot tend to be the ones who are willing to trade the most if they feel that player can help them. Usually in a 1st round pick. Rarely do teams want to trade young assets unless the player in return is significant.

That's usually how you find your trade partner.

What if you don't have a trade partner with a reasonable package? That's what happens most of the time. You just run the risk of losing that player for nothing or bite the bullet and take less than what you wanted for that player.

Do I think Detroit can find a trade partner? Yes I do. But it might be difficult to get a 1st for Drummond or not give to trade value for Griffin to leave.

Drummond could have suitors like Dallas, Sacramento, and Charlotte. I could see Dallas giving up the most value as in a 1st round pick for Drummond with Hardaway Jr. Going to Detroit. Sacramento likely isn't open to trading a 1st at this time as well as Charlotte. My guess is those two teams will just stick to their rebuilding plans at this stage. So Dallas is likely your best suitor for Drummond.

For Griffin, everyone knows the Blazers make sense but you aren't getting any assets for him. Just cap relief. Minnesota and Miami might show interest as well but they lack cap relief that they would be willing to move much less the salary needed to make it work.

The first half of your post is good, the second is laughable.

Why?

My guess is cause you stated that if we were to trade Dre or Blake the best we could hope for is cap space or a single first round pick.

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say you undervalue them both and I haven't seen anyone here overvalue them to the same degree.

My idea with the Blazers probably comes closest so:

Whiteside - cap relief as you expect.
Little - instead of a future first

Collins might be the "overpay" in my proposal but:

Blazers have tax issues like most
Collins is a expiring
Blake plays the same position

Nurkic, Blake, Hood/Bazemore, CJ, Dame plus Simons...That's nice for Portland and gives them a 3 year window.

For us we "tank" this season, draft a PG, let our expirings walk but re-up Collins as a RFA & likely overpay Dre:

Dre, Collins, Little, Luke, Rookie, Rose, Brown, Snell, Sekou & Wood is a much brighter "future".





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