And that's a wrap. Season officially has been canceled lol. Luke just another one down with a knee injury

[Canadafan]

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[MotownMadness]

Injury prone friggin team. I dont care, im more interested in focusing my attention on college ball and prospects at this point anyways.

[NYPiston]

The season was over before Game 1. This team maxed out its potential with a dominant 1st round sweep at the hands of the Bucks. That was as good as it gets for this group.

[Canadafan]

Injury prone friggin team. I dont care, im more interested in focusing my attention on college ball and prospects at this point anyways.

Ya I hear ya. Gonna have to start my march madness a few months early.
Merry Christmas to you pal

[Canadafan]

The season was over before Game 1. This team maxed out its potential with a dominant 1st round sweep at the hands of the Bucks. That was as good as it gets for this group.

As crazy as it sounds I could still see ol Gores selling the farm and trying to get Jrue Holiday or Demar Derozan. Hell, I could see him still trying for Chris Paul lol.

[MotownMadness]

Injury prone friggin team. I dont care, im more interested in focusing my attention on college ball and prospects at this point anyways.

Ya I hear ya. Gonna have to start my march madness a few months early.
Merry Christmas to you pal

Merry Christmas to you

[buzzkilloton]

The season was over before Game 1. This team maxed out its potential with a dominant 1st round sweep at the hands of the Bucks. That was as good as it gets for this group.

As crazy as it sounds I could still see ol Gores selling the farm and trying to get Jrue Holiday or Demar Derozan. Hell, I could see him still trying for Chris Paul lol.

I think at this point if they do that people will stop coming to games. Not that many are but that would be the end of it i think. Many people were fooled by the Blake Griffin trade who're loyal fans to this team. No way people are going ton fall for it again.

Everybody wants a rebuild now.

[Manocad]

The season was over before Game 1. This team maxed out its potential with a dominant 1st round sweep at the hands of the Bucks. That was as good as it gets for this group.

Bingo

[bstein14]

Chris Paul has the Thunder in the playoffs out west right now... Not sure if that shows how much he still has got it, or shows how overrated Westbrook was or a combination of both. They were the 6th seed last year with Westbrook and George and now they're the 7th seed without them and with old man Paul.

[Manocad]

Chris Paul has the Thunder in the playoffs out west right now... Not sure if that shows how much he still has got it, or shows how overrated Westbrook was or a combination of both. They were the 6th seed last year with Westbrook and George and now they're the 7th seed without them and with old man Paul.

See, that to me is the worst position for a team to be in. Using overpaid, over the hill stars to max out at 7-8 seed and get crushed in the playoffs. Not fun to watch, no cap flexibility, no high draft picks. Sound familiar?

Especially in today's NBA where the real "Big 3" teams are pounding the snot out everyone but the other 3-4 teams at their level. As I've said ad nauseum, today's NBA is no longer a "Just make the playoffs and anything can happen" league. Far from it.

[DBC10]

Chris Paul has the Thunder in the playoffs out west right now... Not sure if that shows how much he still has got it, or shows how overrated Westbrook was or a combination of both. They were the 6th seed last year with Westbrook and George and now they're the 7th seed without them and with old man Paul.

It's most likely CP3's last "best" season, no? He's old and really, that hamstring he calls a muscle is made out of silly string that is bound to blow up sooner rather than later.

But WB and PG were terrible fits for each other. That and WB was clearly overrated and overpaid.

[Snakebites]

Chris Paul has the Thunder in the playoffs out west right now... Not sure if that shows how much he still has got it, or shows how overrated Westbrook was or a combination of both. They were the 6th seed last year with Westbrook and George and now they're the 7th seed without them and with old man Paul.

See, that to me is the worst position for a team to be in. Using overpaid, over the hill stars to max out at 7-8 seed and get crushed in the playoffs. Not fun to watch, no cap flexibility, no high draft picks. Sound familiar?

Especially in today's NBA where the real "Big 3" teams are pounding the snot out everyone but the other 3-4 teams at their level. As I've said ad nauseum, today's NBA is no longer a "Just make the playoffs and anything can happen" league. Far from it.

Was the league EVER that league? Top tier teams have always curb stomped the middle of the pack.

How many lower seeds have ever reached the finals? Only one I can think of is the 1999 Knicks, and that was the crapshoot that was the 50-game lockout season with virtually no training camp where nearly every team played poorly.

A very strong argument can be made that too many teams make the playoffs in this league.

[Neptune]

We should have traded this dude while he was hot. This falls on the Pistons again.

The Kings are acting like Buddie Hield is trash, maybe we can work something out moving Kennard to the Kings for Heild when he's healthy!

[Manocad]

Chris Paul has the Thunder in the playoffs out west right now... Not sure if that shows how much he still has got it, or shows how overrated Westbrook was or a combination of both. They were the 6th seed last year with Westbrook and George and now they're the 7th seed without them and with old man Paul.

See, that to me is the worst position for a team to be in. Using overpaid, over the hill stars to max out at 7-8 seed and get crushed in the playoffs. Not fun to watch, no cap flexibility, no high draft picks. Sound familiar?

Especially in today's NBA where the real "Big 3" teams are pounding the snot out everyone but the other 3-4 teams at their level. As I've said ad nauseum, today's NBA is no longer a "Just make the playoffs and anything can happen" league. Far from it.

Was the league EVER that league? Top tier teams have always curb stomped the middle of the pack.

How many lower seeds have ever reached the finals? Only one I can think of is the 1999 Knicks, and that was the crapshoot that was the 50-game lockout season with virtually no training camp where nearly every team played poorly.

A very strong argument can be made that too many teams make the playoffs in this league.

I didn’t do the research; I’m a pretty dedicated fan to all of the “Big 4” pro sports and know that #8 NHL seeds have made some noise as well as NFL and MLB wild cards, and just kind of assumed that perhaps there were some lower NBA seeds that had achieved something.

But perhaps not, which obviously supports my argument.

And yes, I’d agree that too many teams make the playoffs in most sports, but that’s a different discussion (hint: TV money)

[Manocad]

We should have traded this dude while he was hot. This falls on the Pistons again.

The Kings are acting like Buddie Hield is trash, maybe we can work something out moving Kennard to the Kings for Heild when he's healthy!

Great. A “win now” fan who’s also a Monday morning quarterback.

But hey—that’s why we love you. You’re all ours.

[Invictus88]

We should have traded this dude while he was hot. This falls on the Pistons again.

The Kings are acting like Buddie Hield is trash, maybe we can work something out moving Kennard to the Kings for Heild when he's healthy!

Great. A “win now” fan who’s also a Monday morning quarterback.

But hey—that’s why we love you. You’re all ours.

I don't think his misspelling of Buddy or variation of Hield above are mistakes. #dontfeedthetrolls

[Invictus88]

See, that to me is the worst position for a team to be in. Using overpaid, over the hill stars to max out at 7-8 seed and get crushed in the playoffs. Not fun to watch, no cap flexibility, no high draft picks. Sound familiar?

Especially in today's NBA where the real "Big 3" teams are pounding the snot out everyone but the other 3-4 teams at their level. As I've said ad nauseum, today's NBA is no longer a "Just make the playoffs and anything can happen" league. Far from it.

Was the league EVER that league? Top tier teams have always curb stomped the middle of the pack.

How many lower seeds have ever reached the finals? Only one I can think of is the 1999 Knicks, and that was the crapshoot that was the 50-game lockout season with virtually no training camp where nearly every team played poorly.

A very strong argument can be made that too many teams make the playoffs in this league.

I didn’t do the research; I’m a pretty dedicated fan to all of the “Big 4” pro sports and know that #8 NHL seeds have made some noise as well as NFL and MLB wild cards, and just kind of assumed that perhaps there were some lower NBA seeds that had achieved something.

But perhaps not, which obviously supports my argument.

And yes, I’d agree that too many teams make the playoffs in most sports, but that’s a different discussion (hint: TV money)

I agree with Snakebites about the rarity of low seeds accomplishing anything of note in the NBA. Other than the Knicks the only thing that comes to mind is Dikembe on the ground crying and cluthching the basketball when his 8th seed Nuggets upset the #1 seed in a 5 game series. It was super rare even then. With 7 games it's nigh impossible.

I think hockey is different in that you have a single position (goalie) that can single-handedly keep you in a series if they get hot. And that's usually the case most of the time it happens -- the lower seed does just enough to chip in a few goals and they ride the guy in the crease.

Baseball also has this to a certain extent with pitching; but a single guy can't pitch every game so I feel it happens less there?

[Manocad]

Was the league EVER that league? Top tier teams have always curb stomped the middle of the pack.

How many lower seeds have ever reached the finals? Only one I can think of is the 1999 Knicks, and that was the crapshoot that was the 50-game lockout season with virtually no training camp where nearly every team played poorly.

A very strong argument can be made that too many teams make the playoffs in this league.

I didn’t do the research; I’m a pretty dedicated fan to all of the “Big 4” pro sports and know that #8 NHL seeds have made some noise as well as NFL and MLB wild cards, and just kind of assumed that perhaps there were some lower NBA seeds that had achieved something.

But perhaps not, which obviously supports my argument.

And yes, I’d agree that too many teams make the playoffs in most sports, but that’s a different discussion (hint: TV money)

I agree with Snakebites about the rarity of low seeds accomplishing anything of note in the NBA. Other than the Knicks the only thing that comes to mind is Dikembe on the ground crying and cluthching the basketball when his 8th seed Nuggets upset the #1 seed in a 5 game series. It was super rare even then. With 7 games it's nigh impossible.

I think hockey is different in that you have a single position (goalie) that can single-handedly keep you in a series if they get hot. And that's usually the case most of the time it happens -- the lower seed does just enough to chip in a few goals and they ride the guy in the crease.

Baseball also has this to a certain extent with pitching; but a single guy can't pitch every game so I feel it happens less there?

Trust me, I was NOT making an argument that lower seeds in the NBA have a shot; I just didn’t automatically disqualify them because I didn’t have supporting data.

[Snakebites]

MLB wildcards aren’t a valid comparison to lower playoff seeds in the NBA either, as they’re still typically among the best teams in the league, and are often better than some division winners. There’s just not as many playoff teams in baseball. Most teams in the playoffs in baseball at least in theory have a chance to win it all.

Hockey is a different beast though.

In any event, the point is the same. There’s little to no point in being a 7-8 seed in the league, especially not in an eastern conference where below average teams routinely get there, only to be destroyed by one of the few real contenders in the conference.

This has always been true. I came up as a fan in mid 90s. I saw the Pistons reach the playoffs 4 times without seeing them reach round 2 including two 8th seed sweeps. Here, we’ve seen 2 playoff appearances without a win even in one game. Nobody thought any of those teams had even the slightest chance of contending. I’d love to see a 3 division winner and 2 wild-card setup in the NBA. But they won’t do it because of playoff revenue.

[Billl]

Just for trivia's sake, the Rockets won a title as a 6th seed. Besides them, no team lower than 4th has won a title. There have been a handful of 8th seeds upsetting a #1, but the only one that made a serious run was that knicks team that made the finals.