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Re: Let's start the rebuild! 

Post#261 » by BJK1 » Mon Jun 22, 2020 6:26 pm

Thoughts on Nerlens Noel? I didn’t realize he was a FA this offseason. Played for OKC these past two seasons, kind of rehabbing his reputation after his time in Dallas. Even assuming the Pistons resign Wood, they need another big. Still decidedly a defensive guy, but at just 26 yrs old, he remains very athletic with a 7’4”ish wing span. Strikes me as the kind of undervalued guy with something to prove that Joe D targeted in building the 00’s team.

Rod Beard makes a very brief mention of Noel in the latter part of this article:

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports/nba/pistons/2020/06/19/beard-new-pistons-gm-troy-weaver-lets-get-down-brass-tacks/3223235001/
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Re: Let's start the rebuild! 

Post#262 » by Manocad » Mon Jun 22, 2020 6:44 pm

BJK1 wrote:Thoughts on Nerlens Noel? I didn’t realize he was a FA this offseason. Played for OKC these past two seasons, kind of rehabbing his reputation after his time in Dallas. Even assuming the Pistons resign Wood, they need another big. Still decidedly a defensive guy, but at just 26 yrs old, he remains very athletic with a 7’4”ish wing span. Strikes me as the kind of undervalued guy with something to prove that Joe D targeted in building the 00’s team.

Rod Beard makes a very brief mention of Noel in the latter part of this article:

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports/nba/pistons/2020/06/19/beard-new-pistons-gm-troy-weaver-lets-get-down-brass-tacks/3223235001/

Never been a fan. I always thought he was over hyped.
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Re: Let's start the rebuild! 

Post#263 » by MotownMadness » Mon Jun 22, 2020 6:44 pm

BJK1 wrote:Thoughts on Nerlens Noel? I didn’t realize he was a FA this offseason. Played for OKC these past two seasons, kind of rehabbing his reputation after his time in Dallas. Even assuming the Pistons resign Wood, they need another big. Still decidedly a defensive guy, but at just 26 yrs old, he remains very athletic with a 7’4”ish wing span. Strikes me as the kind of undervalued guy with something to prove that Joe D targeted in building the 00’s team.

Rod Beard makes a very brief mention of Noel in the latter part of this article:

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports/nba/pistons/2020/06/19/beard-new-pistons-gm-troy-weaver-lets-get-down-brass-tacks/3223235001/

Nerlens Noels advanced stats are pretty nice especially defensively. Hopefully we go after a young center project like him or Giles in FA. They should come at a fair price too.
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Re: Let's start the rebuild! 

Post#264 » by Invictus88 » Mon Jun 22, 2020 7:25 pm

MotownMadness wrote:
BJK1 wrote:Thoughts on Nerlens Noel? I didn’t realize he was a FA this offseason. Played for OKC these past two seasons, kind of rehabbing his reputation after his time in Dallas. Even assuming the Pistons resign Wood, they need another big. Still decidedly a defensive guy, but at just 26 yrs old, he remains very athletic with a 7’4”ish wing span. Strikes me as the kind of undervalued guy with something to prove that Joe D targeted in building the 00’s team.

Rod Beard makes a very brief mention of Noel in the latter part of this article:

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports/nba/pistons/2020/06/19/beard-new-pistons-gm-troy-weaver-lets-get-down-brass-tacks/3223235001/

Nerlens Noels advanced stats are pretty nice especially defensively. Hopefully we go after a young center project like him or Giles in FA. They should come at a fair price too.


For the next few years we should be getting contracts that are:
1. Cheap roster fillers that are preferably young on 1-2 year deals.
2. Lotto ticket FA's that haven't panned out elsewhere due to extenuating circumstances on short deals.
3. Lotto ticket FA's from developmental leagues, etc.
4. Salary dumps attached with draft picks from win now teams looking to sign vets.

We should be avoiding:
1. Veterans signing for anything above the minimum.
2. Veterans requiring a dedicated amount of minutes that would be taken away from developing prospects.
3. Transactions that are only geared towards winning within the next few years; without much likelihood of ending up positive asset-wise afterwards.

So I guess I'm okay with Noel provided he's cheap. But given the fact that he's already 26 I wouldn't expect much more than he's already shown already.
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Re: Let's start the rebuild! 

Post#265 » by DetroitDon15 » Mon Jun 22, 2020 9:52 pm

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I don’t see the offensive upside of Aomori. My concern is that he is Stanley Johnson 2.0. He’s not a good distance shooter. I’m going for highest upside overall. I’m taking Edwards, Ball, Wiseman, Hayes, and Toppin (I’m taking Toppin over him cause I know what he does) all over him.
The last DX Mock I saw they had Okoro at #3...they're usually a pretty good judge.

The comparisons I've read are Jaylen Brown. He's not quite yet a offensive juggernaut but he's definitely improved since being drafted.

That's the key - we need to get someone who not only is driven to improve but who can actually translate it to games.

I think Stanley Johnson did work hard, he just could never put that on the floor during a game.

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Best comparison i can think of when watching him is a guy like Winslow. He could be a two way star if he gets better offensively but right now he doesn't really look for his own buckets as much as he does just playing glue guy doing some defending and playmaking. He's actually a pretty good passer.

That's why where he's at right now with his defense and playmaking i like the Winslow comp. With Okoro its more about hoping he changes his mentality from role player to alpha like a Edwards mentality to take him top 3


I agree with you. I like Ball more because his upside is higher and I feel PG is a bigger need than wing player at this time.
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Re: Let's start the rebuild! 

Post#266 » by ducler » Tue Jun 23, 2020 6:15 am

Let's start the restore lol
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Re: Let's start the rebuild! 

Post#267 » by Billl » Tue Jun 23, 2020 8:16 pm

MotownMadness wrote:
BJK1 wrote:Thoughts on Nerlens Noel? I didn’t realize he was a FA this offseason. Played for OKC these past two seasons, kind of rehabbing his reputation after his time in Dallas. Even assuming the Pistons resign Wood, they need another big. Still decidedly a defensive guy, but at just 26 yrs old, he remains very athletic with a 7’4”ish wing span. Strikes me as the kind of undervalued guy with something to prove that Joe D targeted in building the 00’s team.

Rod Beard makes a very brief mention of Noel in the latter part of this article:

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports/nba/pistons/2020/06/19/beard-new-pistons-gm-troy-weaver-lets-get-down-brass-tacks/3223235001/

Nerlens Noels advanced stats are pretty nice especially defensively. Hopefully we go after a young center project like him or Giles in FA. They should come at a fair price too.


meh. Wouldn't be too upset, but I just don't see the upside. Decent defender and shotblocker and I'd definitely take him over Maker, but that isn't saying much. I'd honestly lean towards just bringing in more gleague type guys or unloved second rounders.
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Re: Let's start the rebuild! 

Post#268 » by Pharaoh » Wed Jun 24, 2020 2:32 am

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Pharaoh wrote:The last DX Mock I saw they had Okoro at #3...they're usually a pretty good judge.

The comparisons I've read are Jaylen Brown. He's not quite yet a offensive juggernaut but he's definitely improved since being drafted.

That's the key - we need to get someone who not only is driven to improve but who can actually translate it to games.

I think Stanley Johnson did work hard, he just could never put that on the floor during a game.

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Best comparison i can think of when watching him is a guy like Winslow. He could be a two way star if he gets better offensively but right now he doesn't really look for his own buckets as much as he does just playing glue guy doing some defending and playmaking. He's actually a pretty good passer.

That's why where he's at right now with his defense and playmaking i like the Winslow comp. With Okoro its more about hoping he changes his mentality from role player to alpha like a Edwards mentality to take him top 3


I agree with you. I like Ball more because his upside is higher and I feel PG is a bigger need than wing player at this time.
Not a fan of Ball because he's suspect on both ends of the floor.

Poor D, poor shooting. Might have a higher upside than Okongwu or Okoro but still a seriously flawed prospect

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Post#269 » by Manocad » Wed Jun 24, 2020 3:18 am

Invictus88 wrote:So I guess I'm okay with Noel provided he's cheap. But given the fact that he's already 26 I wouldn't expect much more than he's already shown already.

That's where I'm at with him. At this point I don't think he's going to be anything more than he already is, thus there's no point in adding him to the team now. I'd rather see young, don't know what they're going to be yet players see time before someone like Noel. He'd be a decent bench big that you'd add once you've filled out your team and need a decent bench big man as the final (or near final) piece.
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Re: Let's start the rebuild! 

Post#270 » by DetroitDon15 » Wed Jun 24, 2020 2:41 pm

Pharaoh wrote:
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MotownMadness wrote: Best comparison i can think of when watching him is a guy like Winslow. He could be a two way star if he gets better offensively but right now he doesn't really look for his own buckets as much as he does just playing glue guy doing some defending and playmaking. He's actually a pretty good passer.

That's why where he's at right now with his defense and playmaking i like the Winslow comp. With Okoro its more about hoping he changes his mentality from role player to alpha like a Edwards mentality to take him top 3


I agree with you. I like Ball more because his upside is higher and I feel PG is a bigger need than wing player at this time.
Not a fan of Ball because he's suspect on both ends of the floor.

Poor D, poor shooting. Might have a higher upside than Okongwu or Okoro but still a seriously flawed prospect

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I might potentially agree with you on the defensive side of Ball's game. I think that is more coachable with a guy like Casey. I disagree with poor shooting. I think that shot selection might be more of the key. I think with proper coaching that it would be better. I absolutely disagree that he is seriously flawed. He has one of the highest upside in this draft.
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Re: Let's start the rebuild! 

Post#271 » by rmfc » Fri Jun 26, 2020 2:44 pm

BJK1 wrote:Thoughts on Nerlens Noel? I didn’t realize he was a FA this offseason.


I'd like to see him signed by the Pistons but only if it's a short contract.
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Re: Let's start the rebuild! 

Post#272 » by LaSheed » Fri Jun 26, 2020 4:00 pm

Just did lottery simulator.

#1. GS. #2. DET #3. CLE #4. NY

Say GS takes Edward's/Wiseman.

I know Ball has the most upside but I wouldn't see him being happy here and his work ethic has been questioned something Weaver is definitely looking for. NY new regime is gonn be looking for their star player. What would be enough to swap from #2 to #4 with NY? #4, Frank Ntilinka, #27 fair or would you want more? Maybe its too much?

Also I've always seen Dallas as a good trade partner for their picks and contract dump with our space.

An idea I seen in the trade forum with Houston and Portland.

We get Eric Gordon, #14, Houston 2022 1st (only way I take that deal is unprotected picks)

I think Houston got Simon's, Hood, Ariza

Portland got Snell and Covington.

Gordon's deal is BAD though.
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Re: Let's start the rebuild! 

Post#273 » by BJK1 » Fri Jun 26, 2020 8:50 pm

How bad is Gordon’s deal? The Pistons have the cap space to take on a “bad” contract or two, but it all depends on the duration of those contracts and what assets they get with them.

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